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How Far Downhill Can We On This Forum Go?

Thu Oct 12, 2000 12:56 pm

I found myself humored when Nicolaki made a post about people being racist and promptly turned around and started harassing Matt D. I know - it's not racism, I'm not an idiot (unlike some people I know).

For what it's worth I think there are probably dozens of us on this forum who thoroughly enjoy Matt D's posts. (Matt, don't you feel like a celeb. now...). He typically posts them with flamboyance and attitude, a touch of reality instead of euphemism. Never has anything he spoken of anything intentionally directed at hurting a group but rather to express an opinion in a sharp, forthwith manner. Criticizing Matt D's artistic use of language is simply inane.

You will notice that Matt D is respected by many more users than most other members. To be frank and to the point you cannot criticize someone for criticizing someone... it's contradictory in nature.

So... one may ask what I am doing criticizing Nicolaki? Let's just say I think criticism is a good thing. In the mean time, these are mere words on a screen. They cannot hurt you. If you are hurt by them, that is your own choice. If I come on here and say some inane thing like, "Chinese prostitutes are better than any other country's" and you happen to be Indian and think India's are - well fine, so maybe I'm a closed minded (immoral) ass... but what I've said remains nonetheless quite harmless. If you're offended by it, post a response, but one way or the other, it's just words... let's have some fun here and actually feel what we're talking about. Nicolaki - you did that with your post. Matt D does that with most of his. Yes they may regard bizarre things like F/As in miniskirts but y'know what - so what?

Get a life, get over it, be open-minded and non-conformist like Matt D and myself and a lot of others, freedom of speech we can do without as Johan said, but Matt D has never that I recall outrightly or intentionally insulted anyone... his typical style is friendly and mildly sarcastic so...g e t...o v e r...i t.

Thank you,

Mark/747-600X
 
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RE: How Far Downhill Can We On This Forum Go?

Thu Oct 12, 2000 1:08 pm

Damn straight.


 
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Example...

Thu Oct 12, 2000 1:21 pm

Matt D comments on the stupidity of suing over the infamously lethal seering pickle and y'all have to go harass him about it? Go back and read the pickle post and tell me he didn't write it with some humor...
For cryin' out loud: "Oh no! Matt D made a post about pickles! AAGH!" And if he's so desperate for attention - WHY DO YOU GIVE IT TO HIM?

Harumph. Hey Matt D - keep up the good work. I thought the pickle thing was kinda' cute in the same way you did...

-Mark,747-600X
 
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RE: How Far Downhill Can We On This Forum Go?

Thu Oct 12, 2000 1:51 pm

I agree
 
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RE: How Far Downhill Can We On This Forum Go?

Thu Oct 12, 2000 9:17 pm

When I read the post about the hot pickle, I thought it was pretty funny! I've made a couple replies of my own to it. But I couldn't for the life of me understand where anyone found room to attack Matt for it.

I feel like there is some pretty serious polarisation on this forum, and it's a real shame. For my part, I do what I can to discourage negativity, and am trying more and more not to contribute to it in any way. I do have a hard time, though, when people state their opinions on people or issues as irrefutable fact. It just irks me.

There are no great truths; no one is right or wrong, there are just opinions. And it seems like lately, several non-aviation discussions on here have taken a really nasty turn due to slandering, nit-picking and outright hatred and bigotry. As I said, I'm through contributing to nastiness, and I hope others will follow suit!

Cheers!

ИЛ-96М
 
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RE: How Far Downhill Can We On This Forum Go?

Thu Oct 12, 2000 9:26 pm

I have but one question,

Why the hell do you guys not take a valium. MattD can look after himself. You post to defend him for what reason?

He has been bigoted, vulgar and offensive. You don't get it do you?

mb (*although I doubt a republican could wipe his own ass without his messuh*) messuh=black slave in the 1800's
 
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RE: How Far Downhill Can We On This Forum Go?

Thu Oct 12, 2000 9:49 pm

Once again MattD is the Pied Piper of.....teenagers!!!! Kids under 20 who think they have enough life experience to know what the hell they are talking about...don't belive me? just check out the profiles of 99 percent of MattD supporters.....(in addition, 99 percent of MattD supporters express some sort of negativity towards gay people or their civil rights, what a shocker)
 
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RE: 747-600X

Thu Oct 12, 2000 11:02 pm

>>>Never has anything he spoken of anything intentionally directed at hurting a group but rather to express an opinion in a sharp, forthwith manner....

...Matt D has never that I recall outrightly or intentionally insulted anyone<<<


Sorry, but your statements above simply aren't true. The key words here are "that I recall"

Several of us recall quite differently.

And while we're in recall mode here, allow me to recall what Johan posted a couple of days ago regarding Matt:


Matt D,
Check your in-box. Basically, it's not your opinions I object to, it's the way you express them. All your posts are in the form of flamebaits, you're asking for trouble. You need to adopt a more humble attitude.

I'd like to make it clear though, that I'm not going to allow you to express thoughts that violate the Swedish law on agitation against groups in society. There is no such thing as "free speech" here as it's a private forum and I'm responsible for it but as long as you express your ideas in a civilized manner with respect towards all groups in society (like gays, democrats, woman etc), you can be pretty sure that it's ok.


Now back to your post:

>>>...be open-minded and non-conformist like Matt D and myself and a lot of others...

Come on now, you have GOT to be kidding. Open-minded?? Matt?!?? Since when has an avowed ultra-conservative been considered open-minded? If you want to talk about euphemisms, this sentence is a beautiful euphemism for "let Matt say anything he wants and don't get pissed off no matter how offensive it is."

The reason why Matt gets so much flack these days for posting things like the "hot pickle" thread is because:

1) it's just the latest in a long series of negative, screaming, "the sky is falling/the nation is dying and it's all the fault of liberals" threads

and 2) Matt has made so many offensive posts in other threads that he's lost credibility, and when he does post something now that normally wouldn't cause such an uproar, I think a lot of members are like: Oh for Christ's sake, would you give it a rest and just shut the hell up?

When one says things like (and I'm paraphrasing): Just shut up and accept any rights you get or don't be surprised if you're murdered..., this crosses the line of being humorous (this is just one recent example I can think of). Matt has been very clear several times in the past that he's not trying to be funny when he has made inflamatory remarks.

I respect that Matt has different opinions than I do on several issues, and quite frankly I agree with some of his sentiments that are buried beneath his abrasive rhetoric. But the bottom line is you can't degrade and demean people and groups of people without expecting a response. It's totally unacceptable to make such remarks and statements, and several people here have let him know it. Matt has made his own bed, and now it's time to lie in it.

An unexamined life isn't worth living.
 
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RE: How Far Downhill Can We On This Forum Go?

Fri Oct 13, 2000 12:16 am

My dear 747-600X: Please do not misunderstand my latest post. The Matt D comment and the racist one are totally different one, as the racist one was aimed at a topic in the general aviation forum called 'Ban all flight to Israel'

I sorry I don't have much time to reply to you right now as I have a class starting soon, but I will take my time to reply to you later tonight.

But just one last thing. Do you think Matt D is a non conformist?? Yes?? Hehe you funny guy  

Anyways I'll see you in a few hours.

Nicolas Bourbillon
Montreal, Canada
 
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RE: How Far Downhill Can We On This Forum Go?

Fri Oct 13, 2000 12:25 am

Sorry I could not resist to write one little other reply here... I'll get back to ya 747-600X when I'll be done with classes tonight

This is taken from one of Matt D post.

Remember what the dentist says? Always carry floss with you. I want you to go to somewhere that a bus is parked. Tie one end of the floss around the bumper of said bus. Then, unravel it as you go along. Go inside the nearest building. Find someplace nice to sit, and once you are seated, tie the other end of the floss around your scrotum. Then just sit and wait for the bus to leave.

Oh yeah such flamboyant

One last thing, if you beleive so much in your get over it attitude why did you wrote this topic in the first place? ...

Nicolas Bourbillon
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RE: How Far Downhill Can We On This Forum Go?

Fri Oct 13, 2000 12:49 am

After reading TWFirst post I completely agree with him.

God, I can't stop posting !!  
Now, really need to go to class...fast !!!

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Who's Shallow Now?

Fri Oct 13, 2000 2:05 am

99% of us our negative towards gays, eh? Well I can't entertain that I'm afraid... can't see any reason to be negative towards them. No, in fact, I can't see any reason to be negative towards anyone just because they're different. Matt D is different. The excerpt included by Nicolaki shows us one of Matt's more sarcastic moments, but if you actually beleive that he means it I think you may need mental aid. I think Matt himself must be having a grand ol' time watching us bicker about his posts. In the mean time, I think it is poor logic to dismiss argument solely because it is made by someone of a certain age group - correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what discriminating is? The "Get over it" attitude applies to bickering and arguing about things that really have no use for beeing bickered or argued over.
 
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RE: How Far Downhill Can We On This Forum Go?

Fri Oct 13, 2000 2:19 am

I'm just saying there is a pattern here, and yes I'm sorry, I can't take half of what people in that age group say seriously when they are still living at home being fed by their parents and have never been out in the real world, working, feeding themselves, paying for utilities, paying rent, basically taking care of themselves.

There are some teens on this forum who exhibit extreme maturity in their posts OR exhibit the presence of a brain with full thought processes taking place (even if I don't agree with them). The two most worthy of respect in the 16-20 age group are Aaron G., and N863DA. I've said that before.
 
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RE: How Far Downhill Can We On This Forum Go?

Fri Oct 13, 2000 4:30 am

Hi again 747-600X,

Well, I just got out of class so now I'm going to immerse myself a bit more deeply than I did previously.

I'll do some sort of analisys of your post if you don't mind to show you why I think you are wrong.


when Nicolaki [...] started harassing Matt D
Harasing? oh pleeeze! I was not harasing Matt but I was just stating what I don't like in Matt posts, there a big difference there !And afterall if I was harassing Matt, then I could consider that you are harassing me too.

For what it's worth I think there are probably dozens of us on this forum who thoroughly enjoy Matt D's posts.
Yep it's proably true seeing how many people respect him, but there is 2 face to every story. I mean there is also dozens on this forum that find his post offensive and degrading.

He typically posts them with flamboyance and attitude, a touch of reality instead of euphemism.
Flamboyance eh? well this word being French as well I know really well what it means, it could be said of someone who use graceful words : I don't see any grace in Matt posts, however I do see offensive and sometimes vulgar langage.

Never has anything he spoken of anything intentionally directed at hurting a group.
I'm sorry my friend but there you are totally wrong, use the search function on the non-av page to see the topic that was brought up by Matt. You'll understand by yourself.

You will notice that Matt D is respected by many more users than most other members.
I will completely agree with Surf on that one, at least 50% of Matt admirers are teenager that don't know yet what life is all about (E.G: the first one who replied to the thread).

Let's just say I think criticism is a good thing.
Be careful there! constructive crticism is good. On the other and destructive criticism is really bad!

In the mean time, these are mere words on a screen. They cannot hurt you. If you are hurt by them, that is your own choice.
I really don't agree with that. Let me show you how I see it. let's take Mr XYZ and someone on here tell Mr XYZ he is a let's say (sorry for the langage but that is the only to describe it) a SOB, what are you gonna say? Pfff it hurts you, that's your own choice. Nah it is the choice of the person who called Mr XYZ that name, because this person wanted to hurt Mr XYZ feelings, and anyway you put it someone calls you a SOB either on the internet or in real life you're not gonna take it.

be open-minded and non-conformist like Matt D and myself.
Oh yeah right non-conformist. You are describing what Matt is not, he is more like the conservative kind.

but Matt D has never that I recall outrightly or intentionally insulted anyone.
Your memory is failing you my friend. My advise again, do a little search on Matt D posts.

his typical style is friendly and mildly sarcastic.
I don't think so! It'll be more like aggressive and/or offensive


Well this is where your text end. I hope you now see the other side of the story however I don't think you do. But that's not gonna keeps me from sleeping tonight!  

Nicolas Bourbillon
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RE: How Far Downhill Can We On This Forum Go?

Fri Oct 13, 2000 9:54 am

why is it when the Aussies/Euros post something demeaning, they say to "lighten up" and not take it so seriously. Yet when Matt says something in sarcasm or in humor, you jump all over him. There is an extreme double standard around here.
 
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RE: How Far Downhill Can We On This Forum Go?

Fri Oct 13, 2000 10:45 am

Just don't take anything personal..no reason to.
 
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Real Life For Teenagers?

Fri Oct 13, 2000 12:48 pm

...got a job...got a raise...got a promotion with a raise...got an apartment...up and running and still don't think Gore has any personality or Bush any experience...

between myself and a friend of mine we have a net income of about $50,000 a year. This is far more than we need for living and allows us such luxuries as flights to Alaska, the last L-1011 flight this upcoming summer, and perhaps some other niceties.

Forgive me, but the inexperience of the teenager is perfectly mirrored by the lack of innocence in the adult.

As far as Nicolaki's comments go: If I say it's raining cats and dogs, it doesn't mean tabbys and malamutes are comin' down, pal. You need to understand English well enough to know that ideas are carried over literal definitions before commenting on it.
 
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RE: How Far Downhill Can We On This Forum Go?

Fri Oct 13, 2000 3:09 pm

I suspect 747-600X might be on LSD. -Or perhaps he was outta town during Matt's tirade against Blacks during the (now deleted) Affirmative Action post.

Mr. Mattie made statements such as:

"Blacks have poor work ethics,--this is a fact,"

"...Blacks simply cannot exist in our white world--look at East St. Louis which is 98% black",

and

"...Blacks need to just stick to doing things they're good at such as basketball and rap--they're simply not good at white collar jobs, this is a fact."


Now, 747-600X, do you still think the Matt dude still "has never said anything that outrightly or intentionally insulted anyone?" Imagine some of the African American users on this forum who reads things like this. Why wouldn't they be offended?

Oh, and coincidentally, I wouldn't take too much stock in counting the number of his so-called supporters. Most of those characters are young racists, & conservative xenophobes who are easily impressed by just about anything that sounds remotely similar to what they hear at home.

We truly can do without the Matt D. high school skinhead cheerleading section. You guys are about as credible as Moe, Larry, and Curly, but not as entertaining.


Just my humble *and honest* opinion.
 
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RE: How Far Downhill Can We On This Forum Go?

Fri Oct 13, 2000 5:46 pm

I missed the racist posts that Matt D "allegedly" made but then even if he actually did it or not, the forum rules still states that:

No criticizing of other users or posts!
If you have a problem with another user in the forum or if you dislike some of the posts, you e-mail your humble administrators on the issue. You do not and I repeat NOT post a message on how you find the topic or user irrelevant/boring/childish or whatever. Topics dealing with other topics or users (and that includes yourself) will be deleted and the poster will risk being banned.


People seem to be bashing Matt D which is against the rules. I think the first thing everyone reading my post should do is to re-read the detailed rules of this forum and make sure that you don't go against the rules. There's been many posts recently about the "declining quality" of the forums. If all that is true, then I must have missed the worst posts!

Pacific
 
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RE: How Far Downhill Can We On This Forum Go?

Fri Oct 13, 2000 5:48 pm

After proofreading the rules, it seems that my previous post was against regulations.

Pacific
 
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RE: How Far Downhill Can We On This Forum Go?

Sat Oct 14, 2000 12:32 am

I've watched this thread build for the last couple of days, but until now decided to refrain from comment.
First of all, thanks to the supporters who are able to see right through the hypocrisy and double standards exhibited by certain factions here. I won't mention names, but we all know who they are. And they aren't me or anyone in my "fan club".
We all know they are doing it, it's been spelled out time and time again, yet they deny it. This is especially true of TWFirst who is so set in his opinions, couldn't care less about what anyone else says, spews hateful rhetoric, and then denies it, or accuses whoever is calling him on it a bigot or intolerant and needs to be exiled to the back hills of Pakistan...In other words...everything he accuses me of doing. But see the difference is that he's gay, so that elevates him to some kind of grandiose protected status that says it is ok for him to have a double standard. Or so he thinks. I've asked him numerous times and I'll ask him again: "Are you practicing a double standard?" I have yet to get a simple yes or no answer out of him. Why? Because this is a loaded question that no matter what he answers, he only digs a deeper hole. And he knows it. His refusal to give me a direct answer says he does. He just won't admit it. If he says no, he'll be branded a liar in addition to a closed minded Liberal freak. If he says yes, then he's going to have some apologizing to do, and he'll be trounced just the same. He's not an idiot. He knows what he is doing and his aversion to this question is no accident. But still, watching some of his posts is like watching him walking down the street and pausing every few feet and him giving himself one good swift kick in his own ass. It's funny, but also, you feel sorry for him because he is inflicting that kind of pain on himself. But more importantly, you are begged the question of WHY is he doing it?
Frankly, I'd rather just go over and offer to assist with a few extra kicks to the ass and groin. I'd be more than glad to practice my soccer skills on his midsection. Hey, anything to help.

Now it's time to respond to some of the charges here.
First of all, someone equated me to being a "pied piper" of sorts to the younger folks. Hey man, I didn't coerce, fool, or persuade anyone to put me on their respected list. Each and every one did willingly and of their own free will. So, if this is now an issue of who has the biggest following, and who follows, then I must be the Pied Piper, and TW and Brissie must be vying for leader of the Jonestown compound. So don't drink anything he gives you, especially Cool Aid.

Second, I've briefly discussed this issue with Johan personally. Since this is his web site, and I do enjoy using it, and more importantly, I respect his creation. I've agreed to tone down a bit. I promised him, and I'm promising you that I'm going to make an honest effort at being a less abrasive. Doesn't mean I'm going to stop posting, or change my position on anything, it just means I'm going to be putting a little more thought into what I say first. Of course I know that someone out there will think that ANYTHING posted by me, even if it's a blank page with nothing on it is offensive. If you are that person, then too bad,you have some issues...and it ain't me.

Now, I want to dissect Mr 757's post for a minute. He accused me of the following:

Mr. Mattie made statements such as:

"Blacks have poor work ethics,--this is a fact,"

I never said that conclusively. I said that all but 3 of the one's I've worked with over the years had poor work ethics. That was a fact. You can call it what you want, but the bottom line is when you are late every day, call in sick your first week, and so on, THAT'S BAD WORK ETHICS. Now I left this open for a loophole. It is a possiblity, albeit a very remote one, that there are only 47 or so Blacks in this country that have bad work ethics, and I was unlucky enough to have encountered all of them. By no means are they any indication of what the Black community as a whole is like. That could very well be true. But given what I encountered over the last 10 years, I find it hard to believe that what I've seen are isolated cases, and that there's some truth to what I say. I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings, but hey it's all about the facts, feelings are a very distant second.


"...Blacks simply cannot exist in our white world--look at East St. Louis which is 98% black",

This is slander, libel, and heresay plain and simple. I never said this. I've never even been to STL, so how the hell can I comment on it?

and

"...Blacks need to just stick to doing things they're good at such as basketball and rap--they're simply not good at white collar jobs, this is a fact."

Again, Mr 757 this is a blatant bold faced lie, and I'm surpised you even have the balls to say it. You know g**dammed well I never, EVER, EVER said this.

Anyway, enough of this for now. Someone did correctly suggest that I laugh my ass off everytime someone starts and engages in a fight over me. I do.
I really do appreciate everyone that sees the truth, or is at least willing to examine both sides objectively.
Now I'll post this, and see what sparks fly now.....hopefully, none.
Talk to y'all later...


MD

 
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RE: Matt

Sat Oct 14, 2000 1:20 am

Dude:

I don't know if you read too fast or the letters rearrange themselves on your screen or what, but FOR THE RECORD...


1) I don't recall you ever ASKING me anything. You TELL people things. If you ASK me whether I am practicing a double standard, I'll emphatically say NO, with no worries about "digging a deeper hole." Believe it or not Matt, I don't sit up nights formulating "Matt D" strategy. Quite frankly, I have a lot more important things to do, and also quite frankly, if I don't respond to you it's because I don't want to waste my time. But dude, here's a great example of why I occasionally take a few minutes out of my day to bother responding to your dribble. In your post above, you again choose to demonstrate your penchant for violence and offensive statements by saying:

>>> Frankly, I'd rather just go over and offer to assist with a few extra kicks to the ass and groin. I'd be more than glad to practice my soccer skills on his midsection. Hey, anything to help. <<<

Where's your filter man? Didn't your folks teach you that if you say things like that (and most of the other things you say), people aren't going to like you very much? You've inferred violence to gays on numerous occasions. And you have the nerve to suggest calling you on it is a "double standard"??????? It's not a double standard. It's called defending my right to live free of oppression and derogatory comments, and it's called doing my part to make sure that people here don't get the impression that it's OK to make such comments and be violent towards gays, because it is NOT.

2) In my post above, please read the first sentence of the last paragraph. I assure you this represents my feelings, regardless of what you posted above.

3) Open-minded means being willing to consider different ideas, concepts, etc. Sorry dude, but please don't insult our intelligence by pretending this describes you. When one ends a thread topic by stating (and I'm paraphrasing) "Nobody can argue with this. I'm absolutely right on this." Dude, THAT'S NOT BEING OPEN-MINDED.


Matt, the bottom line is a lot of the time it's not just WHAT you say, but HOW you say it.

I'll say it again: YOU CAN'T OFFEND PEOPLE AND NOT EXPECT TO GET A RESPONSE. But I believe you're really looking for a response. Any type of response. I have a feeling you're a very lonely person and I understand you have a need to interact with anyone. But don't be so insecure. As I mentioned in my earlier post, I actually AGREE with several of your sentiments when I peel away all the noise. If you get rid of all the aggression and simply post a subject for debate (a true debate), people will respect you a lot more.
An unexamined life isn't worth living.
 
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RE: How Far Downhill Can We On This Forum Go?

Sat Oct 14, 2000 5:18 am

Sorry, Mr. Mattie,

Really, regardless of what you say and how you say it, I stand 110% behind my recanting of your blatantly racist statements made in last weeks Affirmative Action post. WHY DO YOU THINK THE ADMINISTRATOR DELETED THE THREAD??? No libel, slander, or "heresay" here, dude.

Those words were not imagined nor contrived through any sick fantasy of mine. --They were derived from your own sick pathology. And as you revealed your true colors about how you feel about minorities, you apparently must've assumed that there aren't any of them participating in this forum. What could they possibly know about aviation with their work ethic and inferior intellect?, you were thinking. You let your guard down assuming that everyone else agrees with your misguided rhetoric. (Unfortunately, there are quite a lot of sickos here who do. But little we can do 'bout that.)

For the record, I have nothing against you per se. I just take issue with your being an unabashed bigot at such a young age. -It's simply not nice, young man.

Now, I would LOVE for fellow members to also bear witness and back me up on the things I quoted you as saying above. However, I'm sure few would wanna waste any of their time divulging in conversations about you.

I for one have already wasted far too many keystrokes entertaining you and your lonely fan club. I know it's the attention you're craving.

But as of right now, my role in your 'wonderful' notoriety all ends here.
 
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RE: How Far Downhill Can We On This Forum Go?

Sat Oct 14, 2000 5:27 am

As far down as we let each other go.

Why can't we all just get along  





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RE: How Far Downhill Can We On This Forum Go?

Sat Oct 14, 2000 9:08 am

Seven_fifty7 said----"I for one have already wasted far too many keystrokes entertaining you and your lonely fan club"

My last check on your profile allowed me to view the number of members in you fan club. I wont compare yours to MattD's, as there would be hurt feelings.

seven_fifty7 said---"Now, I would LOVE for fellow members to also bear witness and back me up on the things I quoted you as saying above. However, I'm sure few would wanna waste any of their time divulging in conversations about you."

Maybe its not that they dont want to waste their time, but its that they CANT back you up, as your statements are simply not true. I have never seen a post where Matt made the statements you allege (besides the black work ethic statement, which he explained to us).

 
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RE: How Far Downhill Can We On This Forum Go?

Sat Oct 14, 2000 11:17 am

To DeltaRNOmd-80:

I usually don't care for Seven_fifty7's nasty posts, but in this case, I MUST make an exception.

To be honest, I remember that whole Affirmative Action thing too and was literally floored at some of the things I was reading. I don't specifically remember if it was Matt D. that wrote the phrase about East St. Louis (I thought it was him, but could be wrong), but I do distinctly remember someone saying something along the lines of Blacks being unable to exist in a white world and I'm almost certain that that was his post.

The reason I remember is that another member named "Superfly" (who acknowledged that he is African American as I am) posted that he was from a town similar to East St. Louis, --Gary, IN. (I have college friends that are from Gary).

I wish that discussion had not been deleted because IMHO, Matt's post was so inflammatory it was getting scary. And the numbers of people who claimed to agreeably "not have a problem" with what he was saying was even more scary. I personally took great offense at the blatant racism (and homophobia) that's been going on here. BTW, how dare anyone accuse me, my hard working friends, family, and Black co-workers as having "bad work ethics!?" I'm from a middle class background with success running throughout my community, and naturally resent these nasty statements.

This is probably one of the reasons why I've decided to only come to this forum occassionally and focus more on Civil Aviation, Trip Reports and Tech/Ops.

With all of the fights, petty arguments and disrespect, my opinion of Airliners.net has changed dramatically since I first joined.
 
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Um... 'twas I That Made The East St. Louis Comment

Sat Oct 14, 2000 3:49 pm

Someone accused Matt D of making a comment on East St. Lous - just goes to show a point. I made the comment and I'll say it again, 98% of this city, one of the worst communites in the US, is black... I feel that if any social group or minority cannot function within a larger, they'd be better off not being there. As far as whether or not they can, as far as whether or not they will, and as far as whether or not it is their fault go... I frankly don't care. My point was to open minds, not judge them or anyone else as inferior.
Matt D never commented on East St. Louis. My comments might have seemed like "they can't exist in our world" but if you read them instead of thinking everyone is evil you'll find me saying, "they AREN'T existing in our world and perhaps this means they can't." After all - if they could, why would they live in he poverty-stricken conditions so many of them do? Now... if you want to discuss that, go back to the AA thing. In the mean time I find myself put out by the way I make a comment like, "Maybe Hitler had some good ideas" and I get back, "How dare you praise Hitler?!" I mean - we do need to expand our horizons here a little, people. I never judged black people. I did note that they make up a very large portion of the substandard living in the US and that there might be a reason for this.

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RE: How Far Downhill Can We On This Forum Go?

Sat Oct 14, 2000 8:58 pm

747-600X: you should reanem the thread as "How Far Downhill Can 747-600X On This Forum Go?" Answer, as long as you will keep posting on this topic...
Just look at your first sentences of your last post ...what I feel for you now is total disgust...get a life...
 
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RE: How Far Downhill Can We On This Forum Go?

Sat Oct 14, 2000 9:09 pm

747-600X, you should know that they are African Americans and not "blacks" as you refer to them... And I'd like to say that this thread is the perfect example of how far downhill this forum can go!!! I wonder how many of you have earned your "respected user" in this kiddy pool forum, instead of the Tech/Ops or Civil Aviation. Thinking that we will all one day work in aviation, I can truly say that I hope never to meet many of you. At least not yet. Threads in this forum are really ridiculous to say the least...
 
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RE: Um... 'twas I That Made The East St. Louis Comment

Sat Oct 14, 2000 11:14 pm

Good.

Thanks for coming out with your unabashed honesty 747-600X. Now that you've crawled out, feel free to crawl back in --to that bottom of your comfortable garbage bag you reside in. Maggots & flies love the company of so many white trash.

Yep, I've checked your profile. And with your numerous self-proclaimed "I'm so intellectual, I'm so intelligent, yada, yada, yada" statements, officially as of now, no one in their right mind would believe that. Save except for the rest of the Matt D. cheerleaders.

With so much violence and hatred around the world, why would people continue to hate people whom they've never met?

There's simply no excuse for this magnitude of ignorance nowadays. I'm done with this thread.

Over and out.

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