englandair
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European Teenagers

Sun Oct 15, 2000 2:59 am

Recently at my school in England we were asked:
''Who considers themself to be European?''
Out of a year group of about 250 15-16 year-olds NOT ONE person considered themeselves European.
A national news paper asked a similar question and the outcome was just as 'non-European'.
Personally I concider myself English and British.
I've nothing against Europe, but I'm NOT European.

If you're a young person from Europe how do you feel?

Cheers, merci, gracias, danker,obrigada (sorry if I missed you out!)
Jamie 
 
Mr.BA
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RE: European Teenagers

Sun Oct 15, 2000 8:26 am

Hello Englandair,

My friend is staying is East Sussex now... I suppose it is also in England. Well, his school proposed this too. He considered himself as non-european too. He said he was English and British... not european...

Just thoughts of my friend,

Alvin
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ZRH
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RE: European Teenagers

Wed Oct 18, 2000 12:17 am

This is funny. Even Swiss who do not belong to the EU consider themselves European. Britain belongs to EU and to European continent aswell.
 
lima
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RE: European Teenagers

Wed Oct 18, 2000 8:00 pm

Hello Englandair,

I am not surprised at all by the response on your class. I spend one year in England (or Britain, or UK...as you like). I was really impressed how people living in London even considered those living in near towns like Canterbury or Birmingham as "foreigners" or "outsiders". And not to mention if you came from Scotland or Wales...However, the Scottish or Welsh did considered being European as well as the Irish when I spoke with them.

Come on English people, relax and be friends with the rest of the world! we dont bite!

Lima
 
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RE: European Teenagers

Wed Oct 18, 2000 8:35 pm

Am I European?

Hmmm, I am German born, lived there (Siegen and Munich) for most of my life with a brief period in Luxemburg, then I came here (to England) one year ago and now I feel British enough to jokingly call my German friends "Krauts".... and still I consider myself an American more than anything else...

I hate the idea of belonging to any country (Germany) or agricultural Union of interest (Europe) or Darwinian island where evolution has stopped long enough to let people drive on the WRONG side of the road (England), and not even the home country of Boeing (USA) is something I deeply believe in.

I am a human, and that is all I ever want to be. I hate the idea that I should belong to any group based on the single, stupid commonality that we were born in the same billion square metres of land.... and the commonality of language is no reason either: I prefer English to German, even though German is my mother tongue.


Britain should join the Euro, though, because I get my money in DM and it is getting less and less every month...
 
Joge
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RE: European Teenagers

Thu Oct 19, 2000 1:48 am

Hi,

This is what can I say about myself: I've borned in Greece, living in Finland and speaking Finnish as well as Greece (fluently, of course) plus English and Swedish. I've been in Sweden, Estonia, UK, Germany, Italy etc.; I'm European! ()-)

-Joge
Bula!
 
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RE: European Teenagers

Thu Oct 19, 2000 5:40 am

I belong, as my passport says, to the European Comunity!!! And I love it.... If you'd ask me however, what my nationality is I'd be more than glad to say German. Born there of german parents and lived in Denmark, Spain and of course Germany. Haven't lived in the European continent for a while though, and the more away from it I am, the more European I feel....
 
TP1685
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RE: European Teenagers

Thu Oct 19, 2000 6:20 am

Well, I was born in Portugal...so I'm Portuguese...but...I'm also European, and I just love it!!!
 
LH423
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RE: European Teenagers

Thu Oct 19, 2000 10:01 am

I don't think I ever considered myself European. I definitely don't now, but even when I lived in the UK, I was English, and NOT European. The United Kingdom isn't Europe. The UK has a much more conservative outlook!

LH423
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RE: European Teenagers

Fri Oct 20, 2000 5:37 am

I am borned in Sweden and still live here. I speak swedish, english and a bit spanish. I have been in:
Finland, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, Germany, the Netherlands (Holland), Belgium, Luxemburg, France, Spain, Italy, Switzerland, Austria and Czech Republic. Well, that a lot of countries. So I feel both swedish and european.

Best Regards, Simon Larsson
You know the gear is up when it takes full power to taxi
 
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RE: European Teenagers

Fri Oct 20, 2000 8:20 am

I consider myself firstly as being British, secondly as European, recognising that Europe is a family of nations with similar (not identical) ways of life, beliefs, culture, social classes and political agendas etc.

To the person who said we drive on the wrong side of the road: What's wrong with driving on the left side of the road; what's right about driving on the opposite side?? The answer is that it's not right or wrong, it's only better than driving in the middle of the road!
 
aa737
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RE: European Teenagers

Fri Oct 20, 2000 8:40 am

When I lived in England for a number of years I did notice that the English never really refered to them selves as European. I am not at all suprised that all teh people in your school didn't consider them selves European.
 
englandair
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RE: European Teenagers

Sat Oct 21, 2000 2:33 am

Just pointing out that we (the English etc.) drive on the CORRECT SIDE of the road. It's all to do with horse whips and bushes(!).....but I can't be bothered to explain!
 
englandair
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RE: European Teenagers

Sat Oct 21, 2000 2:50 am

Just pointing out that we (the English etc.) drive on the CORRECT SIDE of the road. It's all to do with horse whips and bushes(!).....but I can't be bothered to explain!
 
englandair
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RE: European Teenagers

Sun Oct 22, 2000 5:59 am

SORRY, didn't mean to post it twice 
 
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RE: A330-300 Read This Please. : )

Sun Oct 22, 2000 8:57 pm

To all of you who can't speak Norwegian, Swedish, or Danish; Sorry if you can't understand what I'm writing.


Til Simon Larsson.

Hei, siden du er Svensk så skriver jeg "skandinavisk" for jeg er Norsk.

Det jeg lurte på var om SAS skal skaffe seg A330-300, ettersom det er brukernavnet ditt. eller håper du bare på at de en gang skal få det?

Håper du forstod alt jag skrev.

Hilsen Thom@s  
"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
 
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RE: Driving On The Wrong Side Of The Road

Sun Oct 22, 2000 10:12 pm

Hehehehe....

Of course it is the wrong side - even the words "the right side" define which side to drive on....

After going metric (hallelujah!) it is now time for Britain to do the next logical step in necessary adjustment: Start driving on the right-hand-side of the road! Lorry-drivers first, of course...

Writing "Look left" on the floor is all quite nice - but isn't that just a poort replacement for the full fun of driving like a clear-thinking European/American/African/Asian/non-Islander?
 
englandair
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RE: European Teenagers

Sun Oct 22, 2000 10:29 pm

IDIOT!
 
Thom@s
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RE: Driving On The Wrong Side Of The Road

Mon Oct 23, 2000 12:11 am

To Englandair and A student:

First of all, does this discussion have anything to do with aviation at all?

Secondly, I seem to recall that name calling wasn't alloed.

And thirdly, I think the british have the right to drive on wich ever side they want to, as long as they keep to that one side. Besides, one can only imagine the problems that would appear if Britain were to change sides.

Thom@s.
"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
 
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RE: European Teenagers

Mon Oct 23, 2000 12:13 am

Nevermind my first comment. I just realissed I was in the non-aviation forum.

Thom@s. 
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RE: European Teenagers

Mon Oct 23, 2000 8:22 pm

Okay - just joking about changing sides - even I can see it is too late to improve British road-navigation at this stage. That does not mean the British would be driving on the correct side of the road, though. But just imagine what happens if they ever build the Eurotunnel for cars - a crossing in the middle?

It is a danger factor if all tourists coming to England - and all English tourists abroad - drive in completely alien circumstances. Seen from a democratical point of view: England is in the minority - so they should have adjusted before cars got too popular. Too late now....
 
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RE: Englandair

Mon Oct 23, 2000 10:02 pm

Your reply shows all the thought, intelligence and calm expected of a teenager - how should teenagers ever be treated equal to other members on this forum if people like you interfere - getting us all a bad reputation. If you cannot take a joke you might not belong on a forum like this.

Maybe if you were less nationalist (your island is closer to France and EUROPE than to Ireland - and still you refuse to consider yourself European) you would be able to reply in a wiser way...
 
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RE: European Teenagers

Mon Oct 23, 2000 10:34 pm

You have to wonder how the people of Sweden coped on the morning of September 3rd 1967. That's when their traffic system moved from driving on the left to driving on the right. Swedes were against the proposal, 82.9% of the driving population were said to be against the move at one point. It happened anyway. How do you think the same change would be received in the UK?

~NJTurnpike

 
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RE: European Teenagers

Tue Oct 24, 2000 3:06 am

Hey - I already said it is too late, now that cars are so popular. But thanks anyway for telling me about Sweden - I did not know about this and it is an interesting fact to remember and look up...
 
mls515
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RE: Driving On The Left Side

Tue Oct 24, 2000 3:20 am

Which side of the road does India drive on? That's a lot of people. What about China (even more people)? Also, I know Japan drives on the left side of the road like in the U.K. I imagine a lot of the former British colonies drive on the left.

The only places I've been that drove on the left are LHR and Freeport, Bahammas. It sure is different!
 
LH423
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RE: European Teenagers

Tue Oct 24, 2000 4:54 am

Places that drive on the left include (but are not limited to, this is only my personal knowledge):
UK
Ireland
South Africa
Australia
New Zealand
Japan
Kong Kong
India
Pakistan
Sri Lanka
Various countries in the Caribbean

I would imagine that more countries in Africa drive on the Left, but I'd prefer someone a bit more knowledgable to say so, rather than me take a guess.

The UK will NEVER switch driving now. Sweden in 1967 had a population of what? around 3-4 million. That is a hell of a lot less than the near 60 million Britons today. Granted, not every British drives, but then again, not every Swede drove in 1967. The mass confusion, plus road signage, and infrastructure would have to be changed. Also, when factoring in the eventual replacement of cars, as to accommadate having the steering wheel to the opposite side of the car, would cost the British government, and the British public million, if not billions, of pounds. Nope, the British have sealed their fate, and are forever to drive on the left hand side, no matter how inconvenient it is for British travellers and tourists to Britain.

I send this out to Ireland: Save yourselves!!! Write your MPs, and tell them you want a change. Maybe it doesn't matter as most Irish don't drive to the continent anyways, but do yourselves a favour, and the world travellers to your beautiful country a favour and switch before it's too late  

LH423
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NJTurnpike
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RE: European Teenagers

Tue Oct 24, 2000 5:23 am

You could say that drivers from the continent, US and so forth are slower and more careful as a result of being unfamiliar with driving on the other side of the road - that's a bonus, unless you're a local in a hurry. I remember my first month of driving in the US after moving from Britain. They should have had a _minimum_ speed limit for me...'slow' didn't quite describe my initial attempts.

If Ireland did convert, maybe we would have a definitive answer to the long standing question on this forum; what happens at a national border when left hand drive and right hand drive countries meet?

~NJTurnpike
 
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RE: European Teenagers

Tue Oct 24, 2000 6:48 am



I think all that would be necessary an an ordinary 2 or 4 lane road would be two traffic lights for the two different directions. Kinda like when a 2 lane road has one lane completely blocked because of construction so traffic lights are installed that let only one direction of traffic move at a time in the restricted space.

See this simple Paint creation of mine:


A busier border crossing is pictured below. It's a mess since it involves four intersections. The only other solutions I can think of use bridges and ramps.


The only international borders I've crossed on the ground have involved bridges over rivers so I don't know what they are usually like if they just cross land. Did I miss anything important?

mls515
 
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RE: European Teenagers

Tue Oct 24, 2000 8:43 pm

Mls515, now that is an inspired use of Paintbrush   The second idea looks better, simply because of better traffic flow. Never thought of that design before...hmmmm...

~NJTurnpike

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