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Is The US Being Laughed At?

Sat Nov 11, 2000 7:25 am

I got an e-mail today which made me wonder. Is the rest of the world laughing at the US, for the mess our elections is? It is such a mess I would not be surprised if they are. You now how some countries send people to watch over the elections to make sure it is done properly. Today Fidel Castro said he will happily send some one to keep an eye on it!!
Iain
 
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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Sat Nov 11, 2000 7:31 am

We shouldn't really care if anyone laughs at us. Our system is like no other, and as someone else said, in what other country in the world could we have this close an election?
 
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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Sat Nov 11, 2000 7:31 am

Fidel Castro has some work to do in his own country before he can be monitoring others.
 
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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Sat Nov 11, 2000 11:04 am

I don't see riot police on the streets of Florida. Why should people be laughing? It's not like there will be a military insurrection as a result of this mix-up. For a country with such a large population, to have election complications like those in Florida pale in comparison to what can happen in other, smaller countries around the world.

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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Sat Nov 11, 2000 2:24 pm

Oh the United States is SO BEING LAUGHED AT. Well, by all except the staunchest allies of the US (ie Japan). I was watching C-SPAN (scary huh?) because it was running news snippets from all over the world, and the Deutsche Welle English news program had a few quotes, the governments of many countries were poking fun at the US.

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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Sat Nov 11, 2000 2:37 pm

Every country has problems, every elections are not perfect, we all know that. The problem with the USA is that your leaders are always claiming how perfect your system is, how your democracy is an example for the rest of the world and that you're the land of freedom. When these kind of problems happen you must expect everybody to jump on you unless your leaders and the american people shown us a more humble way of thinking.
 
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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Sat Nov 11, 2000 2:43 pm

Mirage very well said. I do not see you around here much, are you busy at work?
Iain
 
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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Sat Nov 11, 2000 2:52 pm

Although I think that much of the comments that poke fun at the U.S. are pretty undeserved, one cannot deny that the U.S. is the butt of many jokes in the world now. I was suprised to see how scathing of the U.S. prominent newspapers in Europe were of the election when I heard some of their comments on the BBC.

Aaron G.
 
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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Sun Nov 12, 2000 2:00 pm

I dont think that what is happening in the US is any laughing matter. Quite the contrary. And if "other countries" are laughing it only shows their sense of responsibility.

The process of selecting a leader to lead a large democracy must appear free and fair, otherwise it ends up dividing people, and ends up damaging the very fabric of the nation. Look at the way the Democrats and
Republicans are fighting each other! Disgusting!

I personally think that it is a sign that poll-reforms, and a change in the way polls are conducted in the US should be implemented. I think that it should be one of the first things that the new leader must consider.

A lot of the responsibility must be borne by the American media. This was the first time I was watching their election coverage, and i (and many of my friends) thought that it was clearly substandard. And by jumping the gun on Numerous occassions, they lost what little credibility they had.

I wonder why u guys arent hauling them by their collars!
 
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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Sun Nov 12, 2000 2:52 pm

Hey Iain, I'm not very busy at work, in Winter season it's very quiet around here. From time to time I pass in this forum but what I like the most for now is the aviation photography forum.

have fun
Luis
 
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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Sun Nov 12, 2000 3:04 pm

Mirage - I See, I really do not visit that forum that much! See you around!
Iain
 
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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Sun Nov 12, 2000 3:17 pm

As a citizen of the United States, I have to say that we deserve to be laughed at. The United (or Untied) States is over 200 years old, has elected 42 presidents, and this has never happened before.

Time to move Untied from United Airlines and give it to the U.S. as the:

Untied States of America!!!
 
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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Sun Nov 12, 2000 3:42 pm


Last night there was a great thing on a big European (German) TV show.
3 Americans had to count the seats in the arena and had to get the same result.
Result : Every one of them was wrong and had a different number than the others.

That was so funny.  

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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Sun Nov 12, 2000 7:05 pm

I think the rest of the world is really laughing at you. Especially Russia likes the mess you are making in Florida. I have read Presidant Poetin said their country was far more democratic than the USA because of the simple reason they have a more democratic way to choose a president.

I must say I am laughing too. Oh my, how is it possible to make such a mess of elections???

By the way, do you americans think you have a democratic way of chosing a president, If you ask me it isn't. The popular vote went to Al Gore so most Americans voted for him although he is not president yet. That sounds really silly to me.
 
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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Sun Nov 12, 2000 7:28 pm

Mmmmmmm, nope. Too busy with my own life in my own country.

What you guys are doing with your elections is of absolutely no consequence to me.  
 
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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Sun Nov 12, 2000 8:21 pm

Were laughing with yall.
OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
 
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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Mon Nov 13, 2000 12:57 am

I cant believe tha Americans would vote for a man with a sticking plaster covering a boil on his face!! Couldnt it cover his gob as well??
 
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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Mon Nov 13, 2000 3:52 am

The type of gov't we operate is a Republic. The sytem we use is Democracy. The electoral college was instituted for "Majority rule, minortiy rights" a saying which is long forgotten in my experiences.

Another thing, people complain about "socialists and communists," but if a communist won the presidency the U.S. wouldn't become a communist state because of the system that our "Founding Fathers" created. We would have Congress and the Supreme Court to balance out the President. And if the President were to do something that violated the Constitution the American people have the right to rebel because the Constitution is the the contract between the gov't and the people. If the gov't breaks that contract, the citizens can replace the gov't.
 
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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Mon Nov 13, 2000 8:54 am

Heck, even on a Dallas Stars broadcast, the announcers were poking fun of the U.S.. What they said was that: "Now you can vote for your favorite players online for the All Star Game. It is actually a good idea that they are doing this, in order to make it easier on the people. The only problem I see is that lets say you are from West Palm Beach and you want to vote for Pavel Bure, but accidentally vote for his brother Valeri. That could cause some controversy. Man, tonight we are going to beat that one tonight."
 
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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Mon Nov 13, 2000 8:54 am

The last word should read "to death" not tonight.
 
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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Mon Nov 13, 2000 9:14 am

Does anyone really care if we are being laughed at? I dont! We dont need a president elect till Inauguration Day, which is a while away. So what is all the fuss about? We still have a President. At least in the USA we can have recounts when the ballot numbers so close together. But anothe thing people might be wondering. Isn't this election what is happening in some of hte countries in the middle east? Gore won popular vote, yet Bush will most likly be declred president elect? Hmmmmmm......i just dont feel that is right. but i guess that dont matter b/c the way the college is set up is the way it was set up over 200 years ago. So who know. I dont care what other people think of the USA, I htink we rock.
 
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What Some People Think About TheUSA

Mon Nov 13, 2000 2:16 pm

I found this discussion on what other people have to say about the USA..


http://plasma.worldgroup.net.au/~spengler/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?matchview=99&action=list

if that dosnt work try: www.come.to/kewn and find your way to the forum its getting very intresting
 
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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Tue Nov 14, 2000 9:59 am

They may be laughing at us, but will they be laughing when we are saving their asses or sending help their way? Another thing about Bush that I like is that he is going to back down on the foreign involvement, they laugh at us now and when they need help they come crying. We should nuke em, that would shut em up  
 
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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Tue Nov 14, 2000 10:22 am

Delta,

"They may be laughing at us, but will they be laughing when we are saving their asses or sending help their way?"

You may be surprised but I agree with you on the above. Too many people seem to forget very quickly just how much help the USA has been to many countries in times of need.

mb
 
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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Tue Nov 14, 2000 10:30 am

I think that most are amazed, its the few that are vocal that make it seem like we're being laughed at. We have such a good system that it has lasted over 200 years. The fact that we have a change of office peacefully is something that we should be proud of. How many countries have had the people in power stay in power because of force? It amazes me also that countries have said bad things about the U.S., but come running when they need something.
We should just be happy that the change of office will be done peacefully. This is a testament of the thought that went into the designing of our government and the people who stood by the Constitution.
 
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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Tue Nov 14, 2000 10:41 am

I don't think the US will be "saving anyone's asses" anytime soon. Also, it was generally not seen by many Yugoslavians as "saving" when we were bombing city-centre Belgrade. Despite having Milosevic as a dictator, I think they rather have that, than have to dive into a bomb shelter at 02.00 in the morning.

I do wholeheartedly agree that the US should help nations in need, like any responsible nation should. The world today is like a neighbourhood, and I don't know about you but if a neighbour of mine was having difficulty, then I would help them.

Personally, I don't care if the US gets laughed at. We deserve it! This is a rather embarrasing situation we are in now. This has never happened before, and I wonder if whoever gets elected will be remembered for this. It will all simmer down soon, but for the time being, the US deserves what it gets for having such a stupid system as the Electoral College.

I don't understand why American's are so fearful of change. Just because a system has been used for 200 years, doesn't mean it is right, nor does it mean that it suits today's society.

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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Tue Nov 14, 2000 10:42 am

I don't think the US will be "saving anyone's asses" anytime soon. Also, it was generally not seen by many Yugoslavians as "saving" when we were bombing city-centre Belgrade. Despite having Milosevic as a dictator, I think they rather have that, than have to dive into a bomb shelter at 02.00 in the morning.

I do wholeheartedly agree that the US should help nations in need, like any responsible nation should. The world today is like a neighbourhood, and I don't know about you but if a neighbour of mine was having difficulty, then I would help them.

Personally, I don't care if the US gets laughed at. We deserve it! This is a rather embarrasing situation we are in now. This has never happened before, and I wonder if whoever gets elected will be remembered for this. It will all simmer down soon, but for the time being, the US deserves what it gets for having such a stupid system as the Electoral College.

I don't understand why American's are so fearful of change. Just because a system has been used for 200 years, doesn't mean it is right, nor does it mean that it suits today's society.

LH423
END THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE
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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Tue Nov 14, 2000 10:44 am

I don't think the US will be "saving anyone's asses" anytime soon. Also, it was generally not seen by many Yugoslavians as "saving" when we were bombing city-centre Belgrade. Despite having Milosevic as a dictator, I think they rather have that, than have to dive into a bomb shelter at 02.00 in the morning.

I do wholeheartedly agree that the US should help nations in need, like any responsible nation should. The world today is like a neighbourhood, and I don't know about you but if a neighbour of mine was having difficulty, then I would help them.

Personally, I don't care if the US gets laughed at. We deserve it! This is a rather embarrasing situation we are in now. This has never happened before, and I wonder if whoever gets elected will be remembered for this. It will all simmer down soon, but for the time being, the US deserves what it gets for having such a stupid system as the Electoral College.

I don't understand why American's are so fearful of change. Just because a system has been used for 200 years, doesn't mean it is right, nor does it mean that it suits today's society.

LH423
END THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE
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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Tue Nov 14, 2000 11:03 am

We got the message the 2nd time   Mx5, we actually agree, hehe. I just think its hypocritical of nations to beg for help and then turn around and laugh at us, if that is in fact what is happening.
 
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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Tue Nov 14, 2000 11:23 am

Aussiemite,

Is that where you got those crazy topics you posted the other day?

I went to that forum and from the small amount I read, there is not a huge amount of collective intellect in any of those posts.

mb
 
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RE:DeltaRNOmd-80

Wed Nov 15, 2000 4:36 am

The USA only helps when is of your convenience, for 25 years East Timor suffered from mass killings and was ocupied by Indonesia, were was your help?

My country is small and poor but we also help in what we can, with troops in Kosovo, Angola, Bosnia and East Timor, also aiding Mozambique and Venezuela in the last local natural disasters.

Luis, Faro, Portugal
 
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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Wed Nov 15, 2000 7:19 am

I dont think it is much of a convenience when you send troops into eastern Europe/Russia to get killed when all the villagers have expressed hate towards the U.S. About the East Timor thing, we can only do so much...
 
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RE: Is The US Being Laughed At?

Wed Nov 15, 2000 8:04 am

Sometimes I am amazed at the difference from what is actually going on in the United States, and what many outsiders, especially some Europeans, THINK is happening. First of all, many do not really know what the Electoral College is. Yes, it CAN prevent a candidate from taking office when they won the popular vote and not the Electoral, BUT in nearly every election, the popular and Electoral votes have been consistent with each other. I believe it has only been switched once before, back in an election in the late 1800's. Second of all, the Electoral College takes in the effect the widespead poplation and geographic differences that are common in America. It actually makes it more fair by representing the citizens in the less populated states, such as Idaho, Nevada, Wyoming, North Dakota, and South Dakota, for example. The U.S. population is not even anything resembling an even density, so a system such as the Electoral College is needed to insure fair representation. If that system was not in effect, canidates would only direct their campaigns at the high-population states, such as New York, California, Illinois, and Florida. As you would imagine, the interests of the people in these areas are very different from the people in the less-populated areas. The Electoral College represents everyone! Back to my previous points, the Electoral College insures a fair, widespead, and EQUAL representation. Did you ever think of that side of the issue? Most people did not. Is this system a good idea? I believe it is. Our founding fathers knew what they were doing.
As for others cheap shots at the United States: Who really should care? I mean, look how many people are literally dying every single day just to cross our borders and become citizens in our country. That says something. Plus, every country has problems. The U.S. is peacefully resolving our recent 'front-page' problem at the moment, and it is drawing to a close with each passing day. This whole election deal is really not that bad when it comes to other problems. Mostly, there was just some confusion, and now people are taking steps to make sure no harm was done. Personally I am a Bush fan and a Republican and I think he won it fair and square (!!!) , but that is another story. I can pick out mostly any country that is 'laughing' and instantly point out a 'problem' that is huge in comparison to our current elections. For example, why is Russia saying anything? Atleast we can eat a meal three times a day. France shouldn't even get started. I have met hardly anyone that likes the people of France. While in Europe, there were many different people who took the opportunity to tell me who much they disliked France and how much they distrusted it's people. As I grow older every year, I notice this more and more myself. Do you French realize what language you would be speaking if it wasn't for our country just over 50 years ago? I am not trying to start a nationalism war, but I'm afraid that could unfortunately happen.
See, every place has their faults, I am just asking for people to actually see what is happening, and not rely merely on wishful thinking.

Thank you for your time,
Dustin Graves
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DG_Pilot

Wed Nov 15, 2000 8:14 am

Firstly, I love the French, and I think they genuinely like us Aussies as well. So not everyone hates them.

As for the Russians, you would be surprised how many people there don't each three meals a day..it really is not as much as what you would think...in fact it would be a percentage which would be comparable to the Western nations.

But what I do object to is this one line:

"Do you French realize what language you would be speaking if it wasn't for our country just over 50 years ago?"

Whilst America played a role in World War II in Europe, so did the Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, South Africans, Indians, Russia, and a host of other nations, so for you (meaning America) to take sole credit for the liberation of Europe is a bit much to bear, and I feel it trivialises the sacrifices which mine and other country's people went thru.
 
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RE: DG_Pilot

Wed Nov 15, 2000 11:30 am

I figured all would be able to figure out my statement, meaning not taking it exact word for word, when I said no one likes the French. Of course someone likes them. Duh!
As far as the Russians, you totally took what I said the wrong way. My writing meant that many barely get enough to keep them from hunger, not how many meals they eat compared to Western Nations!
About WW2, ask yourself this: Could have many nations survived without the U.S. entering the war? This is including Australia. No, they couldn't have. Could we have survived and won without many of the smaller nations? Yes, we could have. This is not intended to put down members of these smaller countries, but I am restating what history could have said over 50 and 60 years ago. That's the fact. We did the impossible for many nations, many of which are greatful for that, as well as we are greatful for them being our friends. But I guess the thing that strikes us the most is how several nations gripe and complain to us every chance they get, France in particular. By the way, I'm NOT talking about the UK; we always exchange jokes about each other and we take it for fun and games and thats all. But like I said, a couple nations are just out of their league. Keep in mind, I've heard the same about the French from many nations, not just the U.S. However, if they want to continue to use cheapshots, let them go right ahead. Very few take the French seriously anyway.

Brissie: My posts do not reflect the U.S.-Australia relationship in any matter. Hopefully you did not take me wrong as far as that matter is concerned. I like the Aussies in fact. You guys appear to have a lot of fun-all the time.  

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