Matt D
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A Question For Copper1

Fri Dec 01, 2000 9:23 am

After you brush aside the rheroric about how dangerous it is to speed, a favorite excuse for cops to use to discourage speeding is "that it makes little difference in terms of time", which is a counter argument to people that claim to save time by speeding.
Just do the math.
As an example, it is approximately 240 miles between my house and Las Vegas. Except for the 10 miles or so going over the Cajon Pass, the drive is entirely level and relatively straight driving across the desert.
If I drive 80 an average of 80 MPH, it will take me about 3 hours to get there. If I drive at only 60 mph, then that time gets upped to 4 hours.
I have saved an hour by going 20 MPH faster. Even if I burn up more gas by doing that, I spend 10 minutes at the gas station, which still gives me about a 50 milute advantage over a 240 mile drive. Those times would compound the further the distance travelled.
So, when simple mathematics can blow that argument right out of the water, why do cops still insist on using it?
Wouldn't the Highway Patrol, State Trooper and Constable officers garner a lot more respect if they actually came out and said that they were "meter maids with a gun"?
No disrespect meant to cops, but any one whose primary beat is an Interstate Highway, or major throughway, that's about all they are really going to be. After all, I don't imagine that Interstate 215 gets a lot of bank robberies, burglaries, or shoplifters. Sure, they may get the occasional high speed chase, but what else is there to do besides write citations and take accident reports-something that Community Service Officers do in many, if not most jurisdictions?
 
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RE: A Question For Copper1

Fri Dec 01, 2000 9:35 am

What's 50 minutes? I can easily waste that ammount of time watching TV, or even reading through these A.net forums. How often do you really have that good of a reason to speed, other than driving is boring?

Of course, I go 80 mph in a 65 mph zone all the time even though I have no good reason to be doing so, especially since the Des Moines - Iowa City drive is only 115 miles. Hmmmm....

Times I've been pulled over in the last 2.5 years: 3
Times I've been cited for a violation: 0
Total career speeding tickets: 0
Total career moving violations: 2 (1 out-of-state)

not bad.

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RE: A Question For Copper1

Fri Dec 01, 2000 10:35 am

OK, here's another twist to it, guys.

The injuries sustained in a 60 mph crash are serious, but not nearly those sustained at 80 mph.

Better wear your seatbelts, speed demons.

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Matt D
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RE: A Question For Copper1

Fri Dec 01, 2000 10:40 am

I agree with you totally. But that's a gamble I'm willing to take...especially in my pocket sized 2 seater Honda
 
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RE: A Question For Copper1

Fri Dec 01, 2000 11:18 am

On the surface it is simple math and there is no doubt on a long trip you will save time even if you are stopped for 10 -15 minutes to obtain your souvenier of the state. I think the whole " it will cost you time " thing is for short term city trips where a 10 -15 minute stop will cost you more time.

There is no doubt and I am the first to admit that speeding fines are great revenue makers for whatever level of government has jurisdiction. Having said that however, excessive speed is one contributing factor in motor vehicle collisions. Excessive speed however does not always mean speeding. If road conditions call for someone to travel at 10 mph to keep control of their vehicle and they travel at 20 and lose control then the cause could be listed as excessive speed. ( but not speeding)

Thats all I've got to say about that.

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RE: A Question For Copper1

Fri Dec 01, 2000 11:47 am

Well I hope that if I am ever driving in Canada, and you give me my own personal light show that you don't ask me for my autograph  
But thanks for the feedback.
 
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RE: A Question For Copper1

Sat Dec 02, 2000 1:01 am

In an accident, 20 mph makes a BIG difference. Look on www.iihs.org and chosse any of the car models. Look at the picture and multiply that by two. Pretty bad. You would probably be killed, or seriously injured even if you had a Suburban or something. What would you rather do... get there an hour later or take the risk? I suppose even if you're a cautious driver @ 60mph, you could be seriously hurt. The spped limit on Michigan Highways is 70mph. Would you go 90mph here?

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RE: A Question For Copper1

Sat Dec 02, 2000 1:27 am

Speeding is an issue for sure. But 80 miles an hour???

If a person has a new Porsche or something yeah maybe. I dont think I want to see grampa's 1967 what ever on bald tires going that fast let alone be on the road. Or Mommy in her mini van with a screaming baby in one had and a cell phone in the other. Or an idiot in a big SUV with a chip on his shoulder compensationg for some thing that is small.....

I don't think that three quaterters of the cars on the road are in the condition to go 80 let alone 50 mph in the condition they are in, even something like tire pressure becomes a major saftey factor as we have seen.

If you want to speed and take your own life in your hands that's one thing but there are other people on the road....

If you are in a rush, leave earlier....or Fly!!!!  
 
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Country Rds R Killers

Sun Dec 03, 2000 2:35 pm

fair enough but youd be amazed how fast you can loose control on a long corner at 80mph...

A few months ago I was driving on a fairly good country road near byron bay i admit i didnt know the road as i live about 3 hours north of byron bay.. my car is in top condition it has fairly hard suspension and good tyres.. anyways i was doing 150kmh in a 100 zone and I lost rear wheel traction on a long right.. i corrected the traction loose and the car went a little to much to the left.. but i downshifted and floored it driving off without stopping.. anyways all i have to say is drive to conditions.. im a fairly experienced driver but if someone not knowing what to do in those circumstances could have come off alot worse..

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RE: A Question For Copper1

Sun Dec 03, 2000 3:24 pm

What are the differences of getting a tire blown out?
Front and rear if you were driving 65 or 80 I personally think that you have more of a chance to flip over or just loose control would be greater. Can someone help me with this question?
 
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RE: A Question For Copper1

Sun Dec 03, 2000 3:40 pm

tyre blow out at 150kmh you would go into lunge to one side of the road u would try to correct but the wheels would lock up the car would roll over and thr roof come crashing down cracking your skull open with the sounds of tearing metal broken glass and friction of your head 2 inches off the bitumen racing along towards you in excess of 140kmh.. you may partially fall out of the car imagine a angle grinder on your bones.. anyways itd be real pleasnt all that shit would be over within 10 seconds no matter how good you think you are you wont have time to react
 
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RE: A Question For Copper1

Mon Dec 04, 2000 1:27 am

Well...
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