dhl123sg
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Greatest Empire Of All Time?

Thu Dec 21, 2000 11:48 pm

Hi
I am doing a history project on empires.Which one of the folowing do you think is the greatest of all time?
1.British empire
2.Roman empire
3.Spanish empire
4.French empire
5.Byzantine empire
6.Empire of Genghis Khan
Ill go for the Brits.What do you think?
 
NJTurnpike
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RE: Greatest Empire Of All Time?

Fri Dec 22, 2000 12:13 am

Being a Brit, I'll have to go for.....

....the Roman Empire. Many reasons, many of which were mentioned in Monty Python's Life of Brian. Not forgetting the vast geographic location it covered for an empire of its time - we're talking circa first thru third centuries AD. At the Empire's height, it stretched from the British Isles, reaching down into Spain, northern Africa, the Caspian Sea and the Syrian desert.

The Greek empire predates everything on your list, and I believe it at least deserves an 'honourable mention'. Of course, *IANAHE...

~NJTurnpike

*'I am not a history expert'  

 
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RE: Greatest Empire Of All Time?

Fri Dec 22, 2000 1:38 am

Whaddabout the current (drum roll please.......)


AMERICAN EMPIRE!!!!!!


               


 
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RE: Greatest Empire Of All Time?

Fri Dec 22, 2000 1:51 am

I would vote for the evil Galactic Empire, which struck back at the rebels in Episode V of Star Wars.
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RE: Greatest Empire Of All Time?

Fri Dec 22, 2000 2:00 am


Roman,
Greek,
Byzantine,
Carthaginian,
Spanish.
 
G-KIRAN
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RE: Greatest Empire Of All Time?

Fri Dec 22, 2000 2:40 am

I will go for both the British and Roman empires.
 
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RE: Greatest Empire Of All Time?

Fri Dec 22, 2000 3:17 am

Remember folks, Empires shouldn't just be counted based on territory. Take into account thier culture, it's impact on future history, infrestructure, etc, etc.

a) The Roman Empire extended at one point from Scotland to to Mesopotamia. It lasted over 400 years (without counting the republic years before)
b)The Romans created the greatest networks of roads in human history, that would last in Europe for thousands of years and only be surpassed in quality by 20th century roads!!
c)The Romans, unlike other Empires, where not barbaric (most of the time), with the people they conquered. They actually left them to worship and rule themselves as they wished as long as they acknowledged the supreme authority of the Emperor. Most conquereds actually were eventually granted Roman citizenship.
d) The Romans constructed in their conquered areas acqueducts, public sanitation, libraries, theaters, even hot water in some places. On the Roman roads, security was provided during the Pax Romana. All of this made trade flourish and provided for a great deal of innovation in arts, science, etc.
e)Finally, look at the lasting impacts. Many of our customs can be traced back to the Romans (and Greeks), even our laws. Houndreds of millions of people speak 'Romance' languages, and English itself is greatly Latin in it's vocabulary. Christianity became the oficial religion of the Empire and look at the impact that had on human history.

For all of these and other reasons, The Roman Empire is ceartanly the greatest empire of all time.
 
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RE: NewWorldFlyer

Fri Dec 22, 2000 3:20 am

I completely agree.
An unexamined life isn't worth living.
 
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RE: Greatest Empire Of All Time?

Fri Dec 22, 2000 4:38 am

Time for the Monty Python lines then..

- Yeah, all right, Stan. Don't label the point. And what have they [the Romans] ever given us in return?
- The aquaduct?
- What?
- The aquaduct.
- Oh yeah, yeah. They did give us that. That's true, yeah.
- And sanitation.
- Oh yeah, the sanitation, Reg. Remember what the city used to be like.
- Yeah, all right, I'll grant you the aquaduct , the santation are two things the Romans have done...
- And the roads.
- Well, yeah. Obviously the roads, I mean the roads go without saying, don't they? But apart from the sanitation, the aquaduct, and the roads...
- Irrigation.
- Medcine.
- Education.
- Yeah, yeah, all right. Fair enough...
- And the wine.
- Oh, yeah
- Yeah. Yeah, That's something that we'd really miss, if the Romans left, huh.
- Public baths.
- And it's safe to walk the in streets at night now
- Yeah, they certainly know how to keep order. Let's face it, the only ones who could in a place like this.
- Huhuhuh. Huhuhuhuhuh.
- All right. But apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system, and public health... What have the Romans ever done for us?
- Brought peace?
- Oh, peace! Shaddup.

Says it all really  

~NJTurnpike
 
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RE: Greatest Empire Of All Time?

Fri Dec 22, 2000 6:45 am

I'm being more than abit biased but...
The Great British Empire!

After all, which of the others can bost that the sun never set on it!
(by that I mean it was so big that it was always daytime somewhere in the empire).

Also the British empire introduced industry & technology to countries in Asia & Africa.
 
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RE:Romans,Brits And Americans

Fri Dec 22, 2000 5:16 pm

NJTurnpike:
Have you ever heard of Pax Romana?During the roman empire trade flourished and it was mostly peaceful.Their empire lasted for centuries before it broke down.Also many major langugues are based on latin which the Romans started.English,Spanish,French,Italian and Portuguese are based on Latin.Even the British empire implemented some roman laws as well.

The British empire was the largest empire in the history of mankind,but it only lasted for around 300 years.The greatest contribution the Brits gave us was the english languege.But they also gave us the following:
1.the idea of going on holidays.It was the Brits who started the Fench Riviera.
2.railways.The worlds 1st railway was built between Manchester and Liverpool.They also had the 1st underground.
3.The World Wide Web.Heard of Tim Berners-Lee?
4.Laws of Aerodynamics
5.Worlds 1st passenger jet.
6.Computers(mostly),heard of Alan Turing?
7.Christmas tree!The only contribution the British royal family has made to the world.Thanks goes to Prince Albert,spouse of Queen Victoria.
8.United States of America ,Australia and New Zealand.
Most of the population of these countries originally came from Britian.The original 13 states of the USA were British Colonies who gain ed independence.
9.Magnectic Levitation.
10.The TV!John Logie Baird got here before Philo farnsworth
11.Genetics.Watson(UK) and Crick(US) discovered DNA,the worlds 1st test-tube baby Louise Brown was developed and born in the UK and the worlds 1st clone "Dolly" was cloned in scotland.
12.Cricket,football,rugby,squash,badminton,tennis and Formula One racing.American football is based on rugby,baseball is based on rounders and Basketball could be based on netball.
13.lasers

The Amercans have given us:
1.Elvis
2.Silicon Valley
3.Intel pentitium
4.hamburgers
5.NBA(but basketball was invented by a canadian,Bulls rule!)
6.NFL
7.Baseball (go on you Yankees!New york Yankees rule!)
8.Indy Car/NAScar
9.fast food
10.Thai silk industry(Jim Thompson)
11.Boeing 747,777
12.CIA,FBI,NSA,FAA
I am not so familar with US history so can you add on to this list.
 
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RE: Greatest Empire Of All Time?

Fri Dec 22, 2000 5:39 pm

You left the empire that Alexander the Great created. It didn't last long after his death but he created it withing hist own lifetime.
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RE: Greatest Empire Of All Time?

Fri Dec 22, 2000 6:36 pm

Don't forget, the British also gave us the Spice Girls and Benny Hill! 
 
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Urbis ET Orbis Lingua

Fri Dec 22, 2000 6:42 pm



ROMA CAPUT MUNDI


Stefano in Roma
 
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RE: Greatest Empire Of All Time?

Fri Dec 22, 2000 10:30 pm

Seven Fifty 7 says:


"""Whaddabout the current (drum roll please.......)


AMERICAN EMPIRE!!!!!! """

By george! I think he might be right. McDonalds in every land!! (Oh, and I forgot coke as well.)

mb

 
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RE:drumroll....

Sat Dec 23, 2000 12:28 pm

Drumroll.............
What about the current..........
BRITISH EMPIRE!!!.........
English and football in every land!!
 
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RE: RE:drumroll....

Sat Dec 23, 2000 3:53 pm

Current British Empire?...what?? If anyone has a 'current' empire, its the Americans.

I like the Brits and all, but I don't think they had anything close to the Romans, Greeks, or Persians etc as far as an empire.

All they basically had was a handful of poverty stricken territories that they tapped for resources. Plus, each of these areas were scattered around like balls on a pool table. Also, the idea did not live very long either.

Please don't take this the wrong way my British friends, but I just don't agree.  

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RE:a Bit Of The Point

Sat Dec 23, 2000 5:33 pm

I think we are a bit off the point here.The question was who had the greatest empire of all time not who has the most influence on the world today.Since when the the Americans have any colonies?
 
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Dhl123sg

Sat Dec 23, 2000 7:03 pm

What do you mean America doesn't have any colonies?

Just look at this impressive list:

Guam
Northern Mariana Islands
US Virgin Islands
Puerto Rico
American Samoa

Oops....I almost forgot one.

Canada 

W-H-A-T-E-V-E-R

If any empire is worthy, the Roman empire would be it, but only because of the amount of development and innovation which came about during their occupation of various lands.
 
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RE: Greatest Empire Of All Time?

Sat Dec 23, 2000 8:14 pm

Add to that list of colonies.

Alaska and Hawaii.
And anything east of the Missisippi river was a colony prior to statehood.

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RE: Greatest Empire Of All Time?

Sat Dec 23, 2000 10:23 pm

I would go for the Roman empire first with the others a distant 2nd. Greeks, Egyptians, Brits and the Chinese, those Chinese have been around a long time, they just seem to stuck close to themselves without spreading themselves around to much. Must be a pretty hard job try to control over a billion people.

Maybe in a few years try 1000 and we might have United States join this list as well.
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RE:Dg_pilot

Sat Dec 23, 2000 10:54 pm

American empire?What American empire?The only colonies the American have had are a few islands in the Pacific and the west indies.Anerican maybe the worlds most powerful nation in the world but they never had any real empire.What I think dhl123sg means is that which empire is the greatest in terms of colonies.
To DG_pilot:
"I like the Brits and all, but I don't think they had anything close to the Romans, Greeks, or Persians etc as far as an empire.All they basically had was a handful of poverty stricken territories that they tapped for resources. Plus, each of these areas were scattered around like balls on a pool table."
I am not taking this as an insult to my national pride but I think you need a quick history lesson.No hard feelings.
For your info I have included every country that has been under British and english control at any one point in their history.
1.Canada
2.the original USA(1st 13 states to declare independence)
3.Bahamas
4.Cayman Islands
5.Jamaica
6.Turks & Caicos Islands
7.British Virgin Islands
8.Anguilla
9.Antigua
10.Barbuda
11.Barbados
12.Trinidad & Tobago
13.Belize
14.Guyana
15.France(the english ruled most of France in the 14th and 15th century)
16.Malta
17.Gibralter
18.Cyprus
19.Yemen
20.Iraq
21.Pakistan
22.India
23.Sri Lanka
24.Bangladesh
25.Myanmar(Burma)
26.Malaysia
27.Singapore
28.Brunei
29.Hong Kong
30.Egypt
31.Sudan
32.Kenya
33.Nigeria
34.Sierra Leone
35.Uganda
36.Tanzania
37.Zambia
38.Zimbabwe
39.Botswana
40.South Africa
41.Ireland
42.Australia
43.New Zealand
44.Papua New Guinea
45.Fiji
46.Tonga
The British empire at its height ruled over 1 billion people and covered over 25% of the earth surface.No other empire be it the romans,greeks,persians,french,
germans,dutch,italians,spanish,portuguese or the americans have ever come close to matching that.
Britain was one of the most powerful nations in the world from the 16th century till World WarII.
There is a saying that shows how powerful the Brits were back then,it goes like this:
"Being British is like playing poker with every other nation in the world except that god has given you the 4 aces."
Just imagine a nation of less then 50 million ruling over an empire of around 1 billion.Amazing.
Easily the greatest empire since the Romans and my joint greatest empire of all time.
"Rule Britainnia!" and "Pax Romana & Ave Caesar!"
 
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RE: Greatest Empire Of All Time?

Mon Jan 01, 2001 5:23 am

1. Romans without a doubt
2. Greeks
3. Carthage
4. byzantine
5. ghengis khan sorry to say but yes
6. spain
7. britain
8. portugal
9. Vikings

you have to look at the greeks first, rome got most of their knowledge from them, rome was the greatest because they were really the first ande also they lead the way and made many of todays countries as they are examples are italy, france, spain, germany enough said there. carthage the first real traders of the world also one of the biggest fleets and first used money practically. ghengis khan, well he just owned more then half of asia and some of europe (thank god Poland stoped them or we might have been speaking a diffrwent language now. the byzantine empire was just a shadow of the roman empire but nonethless it was great. spain, well they just took over central america and south america so they had their right as an empire. And no folks colombus didnt discover America what a silly idea that is. Portugal, they were felt in many places from brazil to macau which now belongs to china, also great explorers of that time. Vikings well they discovered iceland, greenland and North America (lets not get the native americans into this) and they managaed to hold western britain for some time. Then theres Britain the biggest empire in terms of size but i dont bring much credit to them because they overtook lands where the people wherent armed (like the 13 colonies the indians werent a threat!)
 
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RE: Greatest Empire Of All Time?

Mon Jan 01, 2001 5:51 am

Ok first of all I have to say that my gut instinct was to go with TWFirst on that star wars thing, but then I read over your posts, and I am split. The romans did have a lot to do with the way we think and the way western civilization is, but the british had a huge influence as well. And if you think as of late, which culture and its influences have penetrated the farthest into every land on earth? Which country does everyone know, a lot of people like, some dislike and others absoultly disdain? Which culture is the most mimicked, most copied, most reviewed? I would have to say american. Not because I am a psyco-nationalistic person, or because I think americans are better. But it seems that america has a HUGE influence on the world, weather people like it or not.

Now according to the original question, I guess my vote goes half to the british empire, and half to the roman empire.
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RE: Greatest Empire Of All Time?

Mon Jan 01, 2001 8:26 am

your right by romans had way more influence than britain though romas get my full vote, yes american culture is a mass culture right now (examples are clothes, mcdonalds, music, movies). Itll go away though).
 
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RE: Greatest Empire Of All Time?

Mon Jan 01, 2001 8:35 am

You have to remember that the Americans integrated most of their 'colonies' into our existing country.

-Dustin
 
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RE: Greatest Empire Of All Time?

Mon Jan 01, 2001 8:37 am

yea but they didnt really fight anyone for them! It wasent hard to do it!
 
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RE: Greatest Empire Of All Time?

Mon Jan 01, 2001 9:33 am

Ghengis khan had the larges land empire in history by the way

I always judge a empire by it's military stregth so my list would be

1. The roman empire had the largest and most disaplened army in history. if the corrupt polotisions and greedy pertorions had not been there the empire would still be here.

2.ghengis khan see above

3. greece because of the phalax

4. brit's

5. nepoleon even thought the frech can't fight. nepleon sent his best french troops to quel a rebelion in Hati and the troops were never heard from agian.
 
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RE: Greatest Empire Of All Time?

Mon Jan 01, 2001 9:37 am

I would add the former soviet union to that list. Although they didnt have any colonies they influeneced dozens of countries politically and militarly examples are guatemala and iran,afghanistan, iraq, former eastern block countries 2.
 
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RE: Greatest Empire Of All Time?

Mon Jan 01, 2001 1:11 pm

Thats all of em on my list.
 
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RE: Greatest Empire Of All Time?

Sat Jan 06, 2001 9:15 pm

British:

"The sun never sets on the British Empire"

French:

"Because God doesn't trust the English in the dark".

LOL.
 
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RE: Greatest Empire Of All Time?

Sun Jan 07, 2001 4:34 am

The greatest empire of all time was and stays rome. Rome started it all. Also the latin derived languages is are today the most spoken in the world.

Avion
 
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RE: Greatest Empire Of All Time?

Tue Jan 09, 2001 9:26 am

100% with you Avion!

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