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America Needs A War

Tue Jan 02, 2001 4:40 pm

I believe that America needs a war to truly purge the divide that has arisen since this election.

"Wars solve problems," as my history teacher once told my class.

What I'm talking about is a war much like WWII, where we were deliberately attacked and the entire country rallied to victory. Political divisions were set aside as everyone united to destory "evil."

I think this probably belongs under the patriotism topic, as everyone who served in that war was a true patriot. Unlike other wars since then when the military was used as pawns in a political chess game, filling only some politican's perverted goals.

Contrary to popular beliefs, the Gulf War wasn't for money (although that was a secondary objective). The main reason was because, as a member nation of the UN, one of our fellow nations was being threatened. Bush felt that we needed to step up and defend our "friend" in their time of need. He was fufilling one of the charters of the UN, the one that says that members shall look out for each other.

He was trying do what the League of Nations failed to do during the Rhinelands conflict.

I'm still undecided as to where the Gulf War shall go. I don't know if it was a good thing or a bad thing.

- Neil Harrison
 
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Addendum

Tue Jan 02, 2001 4:43 pm

What I neglected to say was that we need a common goal to shoot for.

Nothing rallies people together more than mounting a war to defeat a clearly defined "evil." (No one today argues that Germany, Italy and Japan were good, but misunderstood nations.)

- Neil Harrison
 
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RE: America Needs A War

Tue Jan 02, 2001 4:53 pm

What dumb thing to say 'America needs war' war kills many people and effects the world! The world needs more peace and less war! There is far to much hatred in the world today, we need to get along!!
I highly recommend you picking up the book, called 'behind the picture' it is all about the life of the girl in the photo (the one after she was attacked by Napalm, and was running down the streets with no cloths on) from Vietnam. Then you might see how distructive war really is.
I am shocked that you would come up with such a topic like this, speak to any veteran about life during war, and hopefully you will see that war is not good, but destroys many things including innocent peoples live!
I wish people could just get along and be happy!
Iain
 
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RE: Addendum

Tue Jan 02, 2001 4:58 pm

I agree. I said something to this effect once before, but was attacked myself.

A long, hard, bitter, but cleary victorious, war would do us good.....

I compare it to pruning a tree.

-Dustin
 
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RE: America Needs A War

Tue Jan 02, 2001 5:13 pm

This is one of the stupidest things I've read. Obviously, you have hoarded so much knowledge in your teenage years that makes you an expert on foreign events and American politics. I think the scariest thing of all is that you even have the fortitude to proudly sign your name after writing such dreck. If it so happened that something this idiotic eked out of my brain, I'd stick my head in the sand and never take it out. I suggest you do the same.

First off, this country isn't as divided as you'd like it to be. 80% of the populace is pretty moderate. They couldn't give two shits over who is President. I would have thought that the low voter turnout would have clued you in, but I guess I had too high expectations. The "divided" troupes you allude to only represent 20% of the population, yet it is this 20% that is the most vocal.

Secondly, Bush knew ahead of time that Iraq was going to invade Kuwait. Sadam Hussein met with the U.S. ambassador to Iraq and explained his intention. Hussein was upset that the Kuwaitis were stealing oil from Iraqi reserves by some special drilling procedure. He wanted this to stop and his method of doing so was by annexing the Kuwaiti oil refineries that processed this stolen oil. Obviously, he got a bit carried away when he went all the way down to Kuwait City. Point is, Bush knew what was going to happen and gave his OK. Not that Sadam is a saint, but there are two sides to this.

Personally, I think the Gulf War was an effort to save a fledgling Presidency. His popularity was at an all-time low and he thought this would give him the needed boost. It didn’t work and he was rightfully booted out. Serves him right for publicly bickering with Greenspan and lying about the Gulf War and other things.
 
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RE: America Needs A War

Tue Jan 02, 2001 5:30 pm

Rai get off your horse. Its not like I said that I was going to go looking for a war to get in or anything. I simply stated that it would help 'prune' us if you will.

-Dustin
 
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RE: America Needs A War

Tue Jan 02, 2001 5:32 pm

Dustin: I was talking to the "all-knowing" Neil Harrison, not you. When I wrote this, there were no responses yet.
 
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RE: America Needs A War

Tue Jan 02, 2001 5:56 pm

Hi,
I live in a Country (Italy) where patriotic feelings are extinct since the fascism was defeated but I think we really need it to face all the nation's problem. I agree with you Pilot1113 that America would need a tragic event to make people join but I really hope a war won't be necessary.
I am not an idealist, I think the Gulf war was fought for the oil and it is a good reason to me. I really hope no more war will be fought but I know this is impossible. What worries me is that America is much less powerful since the end of the Cold War: they reduced a lot their armed forces and seem to be too confident about thw world situation but many Nations would like to defeat America and force it the stay away from their interests. I am talking about China, India and Iran for example.
In a Tom Clancy's novel an American aircraft carrier was destroyed by an enemy nation. I hope Usa won't need to experience such a thing to understand that they don't have to be less powerful if they still want to be the World leading nation as they deserve to be (together with their allies, Italy included)

ciao

Stefano
 
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Rai

Tue Jan 02, 2001 6:00 pm

I offer my apology for jumping to arms. Sorry, I was mistaken.

-Dustin
 
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RE: America Needs A War

Tue Jan 02, 2001 6:00 pm

While some of the lnguage may be crude, and not all the aspects well thought out, Pilot1113's basic premise does have a grain of truth to it.

Politically, There is no need for another war. True enough, conflict has been used as a tool to distract people from their domestic woes - not only all-out war, but also simple hate-mongering. Examples abound in the 20th century, including Hitler's targeting of Jews, Argentina's invasion of the Falklands, etc. These were mainly provoked by massive economic problems on the home front. There is no such condition present in the U.S.. Rai is correct in saying that most people are pretty much indifferent as to who won the election.

The Gulf War was caused by one internationally recognized country and U.N. member - Kuwait, being invaded and annexed by another country (unlike, say Chechnya). If the U.N. and all the countries that were allied to Kuwait were ever to be considered seriously, a response had to be made and Iraq not allowed to hold on to those gains. The idea that the Bush Administration knew that Saddam would make such an attempt is bull. The U.S. Ambassador screwed up, both in what she understood and what she said. The U.N. also screwed up (IMHO) by not allowing the allied forces to drive on to Baghdad and jail Saddam.

War has had another purpose in the world, second only to disease - population control. Right now the population is doubling every 30 or 40 years. Wars and pestulance kept it down until the last century, but now we have had no major wars in almost 60 years, and with the advent of antibiotics and other medicines, the population is exploding. How long can this population growth be kept up?

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RE: America Needs A War

Tue Jan 02, 2001 11:12 pm

Pilot113 - you are an idiot - I live in country that was in war several years ago - and I say - it isn't fun - (fortunatrely I live in part of that it that wasn't icluded directly in conflict)

it isn't so fun to run in shelter , have your home destroyed, family slaughtered - go to Sarajevo and start telling what you said I see how people will react

CFalk - population control - it is so easy to say that - if you aren't included in that - I think that you would have a very, very differemt opinion if Switzerland was nuked

population control - when there is high standard there is no big growth in population - people in poor countries want many children to support them when they ar older



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RE: America Needs A War

Wed Jan 03, 2001 3:21 am

I agree- a war would be for the better for America for many reasons.
First, and obviously, the economy booms during times of war. And with this recession we are coming up on, it really couldn't hurt.
Second, as Neil said, it would unite the nation and, that too, wouldn't hurt right now.

>Pilot113 - you are an idiot - I live in country that was in war several years ago - and I say - it isn't fun

Are wars ever fought on American soil? Barely. You can say Pearl Harbor, but really- do we ever fight on our land? Its a fact- our nation does better during wartime....
 
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RE: America Needs A War

Wed Jan 03, 2001 4:24 am

Well, there was that pesky civil war, the reverberations and latent hostilities of which can still be felt today.

National unity does not justify the sacrifice of a SINGLE life.

I wonder if, in Munich in the '20s, a failed painter turned politican ever commented over his hefe-weizen that Germany needed a war...
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RE: America Needs A War

Wed Jan 03, 2001 4:47 am

I think too many people in here are far to selfish. You do not start war to solve your own problems! It seems that the people who like the idea (N755AS, DG_pilot and Pilot 1113) are all to young to have experienced the effects of war!
I think everyone who likes the idea of war are absolute assholes! The world needs more people who can get a long, be happy, and think of others. The world does not need people who are selfish, unhappy, like some of our forum members.
Iain
 
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RE: America Needs A War

Wed Jan 03, 2001 8:45 am

>National unity does not justify the sacrifice of a SINGLE life

You are correct. But if we were thrust into a war, that would be one positive side effect.

Iain, I do not necessarily like the idea of war, but I was commenting that war does have its positive sides, i.e. an economic boom. As I said in the email, I think that war is not to be used as a solution to an economic depression. Look at WWII and the depression. The reason the USA pulled out of the depression wasn't Roosevelt's ABC programs, rather World War II. I am NOT trying to say we should start a war (damn, I have to say this way too many times), but if a war was started, it would reap good things for the United States of America. No, risking the lives of servicemen that put their lives on the line for the liberty and freedom of this great nation is NOT WORTH an economic "boom".
 
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RE: America Needs A War

Wed Jan 03, 2001 11:39 am

N766AS and DG_Pilot thanks for talking the time to e-mail me, I do understand where you guys are coming from. However I think that the death and distruction of war is far worse then then the economical benifits. Also at this time anything I wrote about or to you guys I would like to apologize. I did not see your point and was quite upset about the post, and my fingers (not mouth this time) might have got the better of me!
All the best,
Iain
 
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RE: America Needs A War

Wed Jan 03, 2001 12:11 pm

I completly agree with Iainhol, N766AS- WWII was not the reason the US was pulled out of the depression, it was Rooselvelts committment to building projects like the Grand Culie Dam, The Panama Canal... The depression was almost over by the time of WWII. The only reason people are talking about a ression is Bush is saying there is one comming is so he can "save the US and look like the good guy". Is it worth starting a war??
 
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Iainhol

Wed Jan 03, 2001 12:30 pm

Apology accepted Iain. Don't worry about it at all. I have done the same thing too. It happens to the best of us!  

-Dustin
 
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RE: America Needs A War

Wed Jan 03, 2001 12:39 pm

No. Public opinion is too diverse for any good to come out of a Gulf or Kosovo type conflict. The only way public opinion could be unified in a patriotic direction is if the United States was attacked directly, something which is definitely not a good thing.

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RE: America Needs A War

Wed Jan 03, 2001 12:50 pm

I see both sides for sure. I think, although war would probably knock reality into alot of heads, it is a bit extreme. Whoever it was that called it "pruning", i do see that philosophy.

I just think thats its pretty sad that people have lost so much integrity in america that we need something as drastic as a war to to set them straight.

Besides, clinton tried his darndest to start a few wars and it didnt do anything but kill a few hundred american soldiers...

What america needs is a total restructuring of its morals, values, and priorities. This WILL happen one way or the other eventually, lets just hope that it doesnt take a war to get it done.. hopefully we can do it ourself.


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Flight152

Wed Jan 03, 2001 1:23 pm

You are mistaken. The Panama Canal had been completely finished for quite some time before the Depression. Forthere, it could NOT have pulled us out of the Depression. It was completed in 1915.

It was under Teddy Roosevelt that the Canal was began, not Franklin D. Roosevelt, who helped bring us out of the Depression.

-Dustin
 
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RE: America Needs A War

Wed Jan 03, 2001 1:47 pm

I'll pretend this thread is just a big joke.
 
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RE: America Needs A War

Wed Jan 03, 2001 2:24 pm

I can't beleive some of you guys could even justify war as an economic stimulous. Isn't that what free trade etc etc is all about?

I wouldn't be too excited being an American citizen if you guys did start some war. With all the "missing" nuclear / chemical weapons floating around the world, you would make clear targets of yourselves. Something that is going to happen one day. But would you want to be the unlucky individuals who poisoned or nuked?

Wars are inevetible from time to time, but let us please hope that nothing is done to deliberately incite war with other nations.

And if nukes start to be thrown around the globe then we have nothing left.

mb
 
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RE: America Needs A War

Wed Jan 03, 2001 2:28 pm

>Also at this time anything I wrote about or to you guys I would like to apologize. I did not see your point and was quite upset about the post, and my fingers (not mouth this time) might have got the better of me!

No apology necessary at all, Iain! We all do that (I know I have a few times)... just a simple misunderstanding (not helped in any way by my probably confusing posts..hehe).

>N766AS- WWII was not the reason the US was pulled out of the depression, it was Rooselvelts committment to building projects like the Grand Culie Dam

It was TOO WWII that brought us out of the recession...I have only heard liberals say that Roosevelt's ABC programs (thank God none of them lasted long) pulled us out. Plain and simple: WWII ended the recession in the US of A. I could think of a million facts to support that argument...

>The only reason people are talking about a ression is Bush is saying there is one comming is so he can "save the US and look like the good guy".

Sorry, but the LEFT is saying a recession is starting and guess what? Its NOT that hard to see...

>The only way public opinion could be unified in a patriotic direction is if the United States was attacked directly, something which is definitely not a good thing.

Well, of course, no war is necessarily a good thing. But say the People's Republic decides (purely hypothetical) to launch an ICBM at the UK. You bet your ass the US is going to retaliate against someone who attacks the Queen! I believe that if ANY of our interests are attacked, the American people will have no problem retaliating- just look at what Clinton did! But you may be able to argue an attack on our interests is a direct attack on us, as well.

>What america needs is a total restructuring of its morals, values, and priorities

Exactly.

>Franklin D. Roosevelt, who helped bring us out of the Depression.

Where did you get your history lessons, Dustin? The public schools?   Roosevelt didn't bring us out of the depression...as I said many times before it was WWII and I have more than enough proof to back that up with. Of course, the schools would have us believe that Roosevelt was the good liberal that saved this nation from economic destruction...yeah right.
I admit, I, too, thought that FDR brought us out of the depression...until I educated myself outside the public schools...hehe- but thats for another thread.
 
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RE: America Needs A War

Wed Jan 03, 2001 2:45 pm

I'm sure you'll be the first to volunteer in putting your education and future career on the back burner to go fight in a war you may not return from. I can see it now... 
 
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RE: America Needs A War

Wed Jan 03, 2001 3:11 pm

UAL_Bagsmasher,
If I was fighting for the liberty and freedom of the United States of America, you bet I would put everything on the back burner. Thats exactly what millions upon millions of other Americans have done since the 17th century- without them we wouldn't be the great nation we are today. I would do anything to protect that.

>I can't beleive some of you guys could even justify war as an economic stimulous. Isn't that what free trade etc etc is all about?

As I have made MORE than clear, I am not justifing starting a war for economic benefits. I have just been commenting on the economic benefits that we would receive if we were in a war situation.

And for all of you that think good socialist FDR (and all of his unConstitutional programs) brought us out of the Great Depression- Exhibit A, an excerpt from the Foundation for Economic Education:

On the eve of America's entry into World War II and twelve years after the stock market crash of Black Thursday, ten million Americans were jobless. Roosevelt had pledged in 1932 to end the crisis, but it persisted two presidential terms and countless interventions later.
Along with the horror of World War II came a revival of trade with America's allies. This renewed trade, [caused by WWII] helped the US economy. More important, the Truman administration that followed Roosevelt was decidedly less eager to berate and bludgeon private investors, and as a result, those investors came back into the economy to fuel a powerful postwar boom.
The genesis of the Great Depression lay in the inflationary monetary policies of the U.S. government in the 1920s. It was prolonged and exacerbated by a litany of political missteps: trade-crushing tariffs, incentive-sapping taxes, mind-numbing controls on production and competition, senseless destruction of crops and cattle, and coercive labor laws, to recount just a few. It was not the free market that produced twelve years of agony; rather, it was political bungling on a scale as grand as there ever was.
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RE: America Needs A War

Wed Jan 03, 2001 7:31 pm

you darn idiots - go to hell

you are suggesting to bomb some country - kill innocent citizens just to make american feel proud - bomb New York if you want - war is the worst thing on this planet

well bomb some poor country - and then turn on CNN and be enternatined by other peole misery - that is cruel

have you ever had to run in shelter because there was Air Raid alarm in youtr city -I seriously doubt it - I did - fortunatrly most of these alarms were fake in my city - but some weren't
did you have to leave your contry because of war - I did - fortunately I wass able to return - but many didn't
have you ever seen city or village after a war - it looks scary believe me - I've seen plenty of these

so think twice before making such post

(AND THEN YOU WONDER WHY SOMEONE MAKES POSTS such as:
Is US most violent country in the world?)
if this is public opinion - and many of you agree with idea of starting a war - then it is
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RE: America Needs A War

Wed Jan 03, 2001 8:36 pm

N766AS wrote....Are wars ever fought on American soil? Barely. You can say Pearl Harbor, but really- do we ever fight on our land? Its a fact- our nation does better during wartime....

FYI...

The longest navel gun battle without aircraft involvement was fought between the light crusier Salt Lake City and a Japanese crusier. I appoligise to the crew of that cruiser the name escapes me.

Aircraft bombing missions where launched against the Japanese home islands from Alaska, Notable from the islands of Attu and Shemya.

The community of Unalaska was bombed by the Japanese in an attempt to lure Spruance and his carries north and out of the way of the Midway attack force. There where nearly 100 American casualties during these two raids.

The Japanese invaded and occupied the island of Attu immediatly after the above bombings, One Schoolteacher was shot and killed during the invasion They captured the entire civilian population and shipped them to force labor camps in Japan. Most would die in those camps. The U.S. Invasion of Attu was the first amphibious army operation of the war. It was also the second bloodiest(%) for the U.S. of the war, after the Iwo Jima landings. Most of the casualties where due to exposure since they had not been outfitted for the weather out there. The troops had been outfitted and where preparing for the invasion of North Africa when they where diverted to Alaska.

The Japanese Also invaded the island of Kiska and captured a 9 of a 10 man weather detachment. The 10 escaped and evaded the Japanese for 50 days before he surrendered due to starvation.

If you want to know more here a link to the U.S. Navy's history of the war in the Aleutian Islands"
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RE: America Needs A War

Thu Jan 04, 2001 5:05 am

Yeah, I give that to you, but what I was getting at: wars never reach our population areas- namely the US mainland.

And the Civil War was long ago- we're not talking about that.
 
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RE: America Needs A War

Thu Jan 04, 2001 5:39 am

You have to talk about the Civil War if you're talking about American wars. The whole social dynamic of our country was fundamentally altered by the causes and results of this most vicious of conflicts. Our entire society got turned on its ear! Slaves were freed, North-South hostilities were inflamed, much of the south was burned, a president was elected, and millions of people lost their lives. Without the Civil War, the cultural, technological, economic, and political makeup of our country would be very different indeed.
Wars do more than provide a short spurt of economic growth for a country (and conversely destroy economic growth for other countries). They leave permanent rifts and scars on a national psyche. In the long run, those are ALWAYS negative. To quote author Tom Clancy: "War is armed robbery writ large."
Oh, and when the war is over, our old divisions come bubbling right back up to the surface again like so many improperly-weighted corpses. -Mark
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RE: America Needs A War

Thu Jan 04, 2001 5:43 am

Neil,

While it is true that war has historically been a uniter, or any common foe for that matter, to openly advocate uniting a country by escalating divisions with an enemy strikes me as perverse.

Of course I don't believe you are advocating aggression on our part, but aggressor or not, to advocate something that increases human suffering on such a scale is neither desireable, nor ultimately productive when compared to the horrors of what war really are.

I would hope we are civilized enough to find something else to rally around that does not involve killing and distruction.

Charles, SJ
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RE: America Needs A War

Thu Jan 04, 2001 5:58 am

You're off your head. America needs a war?? Complete crap sonny. Besides, who'll do the attacking? Oh maybe Mexico or Canada - a real border skirmish. Or Alaska - hey another CIVIL war. Maybe the Bermudan army will storm the Florida beaches.

If you want to unite your fellow countrymen, then I think it needs someone to make a controversial remark or two.

So here goes.

1. When you say you were "deliberately attacked" in WW2, I assume you mean the little fireworks night at Pearl Harbour. You never had a single bomb fall on or anywhere near any US mainland city. Until that time, Britain and her Commonwealth allies faced Nazi Germany ALONE. Europe was overrun. Yet you guys were ready to sue for peace with Hitler, should he also have overrun the UK.

2. If it hadn't been for Margaret Thatcher kicking George Bush's butt at Aspen, the US would never have got involved in the Gulf in the first place. Sure, the Allies wouldnt have removed Saddam Hussein from Kuwait without the US but Maggie more or less MADE Bush draw the line in the sand. So no high moral principles from ol' george Senior please.

I suppose you'll all now unite aginst me and disagree strongly so you I've proved that you dont need a war after all!!

Yours controversially

Scotty
 
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RE: America Needs A War

Thu Jan 04, 2001 6:18 am

"wars never reach our population areas- namely the US mainland. "

That is FALSE

The Japnese launched hundreds of ballon bombs (WWII) at an attempt to bring the war to the mainland, most however didn't make it, but for the ones that did landed in open fields starting forst fires, one landed in Washinton (state) where the US was produsing Plutonium for the Atom bomb, a devise shut it down stoping a meltdown. One landed as far as Michigan! One killed three people (not quite sure on that number), which are the only deaths of WWII on the continent of the US. Fighters were taken out of frontline service to shoot them down.
They were only propelled by the jetstream. So you really cannot say wars never reach our population areas- namely the US mainland
 
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RE: America Needs A War

Thu Jan 04, 2001 7:22 am

To all you war mongers out there, here's a song for you by Country Joe & The Fish...

I-Feel-Like-I'm-Fixin'-To-Die Rag

Yeah, come on all of you, big strong men,
Uncle Sam needs your help again.
He's got himself in a terrible jam
Way down yonder in Vietnam
So put down your books and pick up a gun,
We're gonna have a whole lotta fun.

And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam;
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

Well, come on generals, let's move fast;
Your big chance has come at last.
Gotta go out and get those reds —
The only good commie is the one who's dead
And you know that peace can only be won
When we've blown 'em all to kingdom come.

And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam;
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

Huh!

Well, come on Wall Street, don't move slow,
Why man, this is war au-go-go.
There's plenty good money to be made
By supplying the Army with the tools of the trade,
Just hope and pray that if they drop the bomb,
They drop it on the Viet Cong.

And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam.
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

Well, come on mothers throughout the land,
Pack your boys off to Vietnam.
Come on fathers, don't hesitate,
Send 'em off before it's too late.
Be the first one on your block
To have your boy come home in a box.


And it's one, two, three
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam.
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.


 
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RE: America Needs A War

Thu Jan 04, 2001 7:35 am

>You have to talk about the Civil War if you're talking about American wars

Well, I figured since the topic is "America needs a war" that we are talking about modern wars.

>The Japnese launched hundreds of ballon bombs

Yes. But did Japanese troops ever land on the mainland? No, of course not. Did the Nazis ever land on the US mainland? No, of course not. Hopefully you see what I am trying to say here. When I say wars aren't fought on the mainland, sure any coward can fire any ICBM or other projectile at us, but do they directly attack us by sending troops? Nope...

>So you really cannot say wars never reach our population areas- namely the US mainland

I wouldn't classify a bomb balloon landing in Michigan as "war on the mainland". Damn....

Scotty, I like that: "Yours controversially" hehe....
 
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RE: America Needs A War

Thu Jan 04, 2001 8:00 am

Yeah, neither would I

To put the balloon bomb crap into context, the British lost over 300 civilians on the first afternoon when the Athenia was torpedoed and sunk off Ireland. She was carrying evacuees - kids and their mothers, hardly a military target. So dont you guys insult us with your balloon bombs garbage.
 
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RE: America Needs A War

Thu Jan 04, 2001 10:41 am

Actually it was a preacher and his family in Oregon. I belive that there was seven of them that where killed.

Well if we want to move the war to the mainland during WWII I would suggest that we go to the battle of the Atlantic. German Kreigsmarine submarines where operating all along the eastern seaboard including operations in the gulf of mexico. That is one of the reasons that there are airports all over the coast.

There where looking for german submarines.
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RE: America Needs A War

Thu Jan 04, 2001 6:57 pm

They weren't looking for them prior to December 1941 which is when the U-boats played most havoc with the convoys. And the U-Boats weren't looking for US shipping either, most of which had large, clearly visible, neutrality markings painted on their hulls.

Anyway, why would you want to convince evryone that WW2 got to the American Mainland? Disappointed at not really being involved or something?

 
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RE: America Needs A War

Thu Jan 04, 2001 7:57 pm

I thought I had read it all and then what happens? This thread comes along and leaves everything else for in it's wake.

There is so much pain and suffering in this world as it is, and then we have some stupid kids saying that a war will solve a country's problems. Have any of you people who are advocating such a STUPID idea seen what the results of war are? Nah...didn't think so.

Do any of you people believe in peace and goodwill to all man, no matter what the circumstances? Nah...didn't think so.

John Lennon - Imagine

From the Album - Imagine


Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...

Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
imane all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one
 
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RE: America Needs A War

Fri Jan 05, 2001 8:15 am

What a stupid thing to say...
 
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RE: America Needs A War

Fri Jan 05, 2001 9:19 pm

No offence but what is the f*****g point. You and everyone else knows that Scotland can kick anyones ass!!!!!
Why would anyone want a war? Its stupid.
When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
 
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RE: America Needs A War

Sat Jan 06, 2001 3:26 am

for all of you wanting a war I suggest to watch Planet of the Apes and pay attention to the following line:

You maniacs! You blew it up! Damn you! Damn you all to hell!
When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward...
 
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RE: N766AS

Sat Jan 06, 2001 3:48 am

Don't be so sure that your country would jump to the aid of an ally in such a fashion. The US has threatened not to defend Canada if we do not provide more money towards your strategic missile defence program.
 
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RE: America Needs A War

Sat Jan 06, 2001 6:20 am

YOU ARE ONE IGNORANT GUY Did you know that ? This is one of the dumbest thingss I have seen on airliners.net.  
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RE: America Needs A War

Sat Jan 06, 2001 7:30 am

GKirk- Sorry mate, I think you ment to write "...Scotland can kick anyones arse, except Englands"!

Pilot1113- There are alot of people on a.net who I think are complete ignorant, deranged dickheads, but I'd never tell them that. You however are an exception.

I'm not only shocked and sadened that after so many inocent people have lost there lives you can still think that war is a good thing, I'm also disturbed.
It worries me that despite the amount of education we in WW2 affected countries have had about the consiquences of war, someone such as yourself can be so bloody stupid as to suggest another war would be a good thing.


REMEMBER-
IN ANY WAR, ONE SIDE MIGHT BEAT THE OTHER...BUT NEITHER SIDE CAN WIN.


As someone once said; unless we learn from the mistakes of the past, we are condemed to repeat them in the future.

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This Forum Is Starting To Grow On Me!

Sat Jan 06, 2001 2:29 pm

Hey Neil.....


Nice Flame Bait!!
 
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RE: America Needs A War

Sat Jan 06, 2001 10:13 pm

Englandair

Sorry to spoil your century but I think it was Scotland who won the last Calcutta Cup match AND the last footy match at Wembley of the 20thC. We even let you get to Euro 2000 so you guys could be the country making arseholes of yourselves this time round. You did it spectacularly well (who's that guy... erm...is it Figo I think??) and are worthy successors to us in such an auspcious position normally reserved for Scotland's national team!!

Cheers and Well Done
 
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RE: America Needs A War

Sun Jan 07, 2001 4:04 am

America needs a war? All righty, we'll send down a detachment of crack Canadian Forces troops disguised as Quebecois tourists going south. We will promptly seize the strategic and vital location of Burlington, Vermont, and if we have time NY, and Washington. America will learn true meaning of war when faced with the ultimate threat of invasion from the north!

Kidding aside, Despite the horrific, and humorous election battles, I seriously doubt a war will solve the problems. Thats some weird thinking. Obviously some people don't learn from the past. The people of this world need not suffer the horrors of war ever again. Unfortunately, if people like that teacher are allowed influence our thinking in that manner, history will repeat itself  

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Englandair

Sun Jan 07, 2001 6:06 am

I agree with everything Scotty said. Once again Scotland and Rangers can kick anyones ass.
When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
 
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RE: America Needs A War

Sun Jan 07, 2001 1:06 pm

Hey, let's bomb Alaska!  

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