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Hell Freezing Over? Two Moons In The Sky?

Thu Jan 18, 2001 2:59 am

First let me start by saying this post is meant to be light hearted and in jest.

I have been a member here for about 250 days. During that time I have enjoyed reading and thinking about the endless battle that takes place between Matt D and Brissie Lion on just about every thread that they post.

For the most part they come at each subject from totally different angles and that is what makes their " friendly " exchanges so much fun to read.

Other than their love of aviation, is there anything that these two valued member's of our forum agree upon ? Sure they both would agree that murder is wrong but look beyond the act of murder itself and look at how each would probably deal with the follow up to it. This is just an example.

I am not supporting one member over the other but do you think they could agree on anything or do you think hell would freeze over first or that there would be two moons in the sky.

I hope I have not offended either member with this post and if I have I would request that either one of them request this post be deleted.

Remember, don't make this a personal attack on either member. It is supposed to be light hearted.

PS. I'm betting on Hell freezing over.


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RE: Hell Freezing Over? Two Moons In The Sky?

Thu Jan 18, 2001 10:52 am

Thanks for thinking of me!!!

Anyway, I honestly don't know if or what we will ever agree on. I can't think of two people with more opposite beliefs and ideals than myself and Scotty.
I think we do show just how much diversity there is in this world. But there are times where he does get a little too carried away, and talks as though HE is God-which ironically is someone that he does not appear to believe in. But of course, there are people here that would say the same about me, which takes us back to the question of if I'm wrong, how can he be right, and vice versa? I don't think it's really possible to really make an airtight argument one way or the other. A lot of it really does come down to what you as a person believe.

I'm not going to try and get into his mind vis a vis how a murderer should be handled. I'll leave that to him. But my position is plain and simple:
If the person had a fair trial, and was found guilty, then they need to be dealt whatever punishment that particular jurisdiction allows. I don't believe in any of this "New Age" crap involving self esteem, re-directing your neative energies, bad childhoods, or temporary insanity-and no jail time or executions. I don't care if you were sodomized three times a day by your father and his brothers and friends every day from the day you were born right up until your 16th birthday. That still doesn't give you a license to commit those petty crimes-such as carjacking, and shooting down 747's with homemade surface to air missiles. If you do plead insanity, then lock 'em up in the asylum. I don't buy into any of those excuses, because all they do is provide an excuse for skirting accountability for your actions.

I think Scott really does believe that he speaks "THE" truth, and that HE is RIGHT. He does have a tendency to be a bit condescending and abrasive at times. But then so do I.

I am really curious to hear what (if anything) he has to say about this. But if he does reply, what he says, and how he says it will speak volumes about himself.
Perhaps he's waiting for me to write first. Perhaps he thinks he's too good to entertain this type of post. Who knows.

Even though Scott and I have had some pretty nasty dsagreements, I don't think he's a bad person. He is definitely intelligent, and probably has a good personality, and doesn't geniunely wish anyone any harm.
Him and I just don't's as simple as that.

It would be interesting to meet him in person. One of two things will happen:
Either we will become best friends, or we will engage in a duel to the death.
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RE: Hell Freezing Over? Two Moons In The Sky?

Thu Jan 18, 2001 10:46 pm

I enjoy provocative dialogue. And, from these two firebrands, we get it.

Never really noticed either getting personally offensive to the other; just vigorous (!) defense of their respective beliefs.

Good fun. Wouldn't have it any other way.
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RE: Hell Freezing Over? Two Moons In The Sky?

Tue Jan 23, 2001 11:45 am

I have great admiration for those who hold to an idea that I disagree with- if they have truly thought about it long. Brissie seems bent on believing in things that just plain cannot be. But his arguments I find often good- even better than his opponent whose opinion I find agreement with, mostly.

Seldom do I get the opportunity to get rebutted. Probably people find me boring. But these two here are exciting. Many on this forum read their copy. Yet the rhetoric gets a little old, and the arguments kind of stale. But there is vigor among these people that I find catching.

To the idea that Brissie doesn't believe in God, I do not believe this. For I think this is an impossiblity. But many hold to this idea without really knowing theirselves. Brissie is smart enough to wax on logically but not wise enough, in my antiquated opinion, to profess God's existence. On the other hand, Matt appears right about much. I hope he studies psychology a little more so as to bend his readers to an angle that is somewhat plyable for discussions without polling bystanders so.


Ps-SuperFly and I banter too, but we discovered a very similar taste in American Automobiles that has helped us to lean toward the middle to meet in friendship and understanding. He's still on the left, and I'm on the right.


Fri Jan 26, 2001 1:29 am

I do not believe in God. I do not believe in Allah. Nor do I believe in the other "Gods".

What I do profess to is the Dreaming.

As I mentioned in another thread, I am 1/8 Nyoongar (from the Narrogin area), and the Dreaming (or Dreamtime) is the whole basis of Nyoongar culture.

There are 4 bases on what Dreaming is

1) the description of the formation of the earth, water and sky, and everything that lives in those three things. This is much the same as what you believe with God and his creation. These stories have been passed down from the elders to the young for over 60,000 years, often in the form of art (a perfect example is the artwork which is to be found around Uluru....QF's Wunala Dreaming is a combination of dreaming from Uluru, and a number of other places).
2) shows us the power of our ancestors
3) general way of life
4) ties us culturally to certain sites

Whilst the Dreaming may not be believable to the average man, it is very believable to me and to the Aboriginal population. Even though I am far from full-blood, I am still very much accepted into the local Aboriginal community, and am privy to many "secret" stories and places which you are only ever allowed to pass on to, in most cases, your sons. There are also a lot of things which I am not privy to, for a varying number of reasons.

I think the best thing I can do to show you what I mean by the Dreaming is to point you to

and suggest you read some of the stories which they have provided.

I do have here some books on how Uluru and it's various features were formed, and if you are interested I can post some of it for ya.


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