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Have The Lights Come Back On In California?

Fri Feb 02, 2001 9:34 pm

It seems to have dropped out of the news lately.

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RE: Have The Lights Come Back On In California?

Fri Feb 02, 2001 10:55 pm

No, they're still surfing the internet by candlelight!  Smile
 
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RE: Have The Lights Come Back On In California?

Fri Feb 02, 2001 11:15 pm

Boy, those hamster-wheel generators sure come in handy, don't they.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I suppose the California government has decided that "deregulation" was the cause, instead of their own idiocy. What's the latest?

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RE: Have The Lights Come Back On In California?

Sat Feb 03, 2001 12:06 am

The governor here, Gray Davis, just signed a bill yesterday that would allow California to buy cheaper power in long-term contracts. The state would also issue a few $billion in bonds and possibly raise electricity rates to pay for it. So hopefully the end is in sight, but I think there could still be scattered blackouts for the next few days/weeks etc. Today a "Stage 3" power alert has been issued, meaning that electricity reserves have dropped to less than 1.5% of available energy. For the past 2 weeks I think there have been Stage 3 alerts every weekday and Stage 2 (less than 5%) on weekends.

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RE: Have The Lights Come Back On In California?

Sat Feb 03, 2001 12:12 am

I forgot: The deal would allow California, after it had bought the electricity, to sell it to the two main power companies here, Pacific Gas & Electric, and Southern California Edison. Both have (said they have) been on the brink of bankruptcy during the power crisis.

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RE: Have The Lights Come Back On In California?

Sat Feb 03, 2001 12:37 am

Any word on allowing the power companies to change rates according to supply/demand? That seems to be the basic problem - politicians sticking their nose in something they know nothing about for political points.

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RE: Have The Lights Come Back On In California?

Sat Feb 03, 2001 12:47 am

No, but what about the night the lights went out in Georgia?
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RE: Have The Lights Come Back On In California?

Sat Feb 03, 2001 1:47 am

No blackouts recently. They are on Block 9 when it starts again (hopefully not). I am on Block 12, so it's inevitable i guess either now or during the summer (or both)!
 
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RE: Have The Lights Come Back On In California?

Sat Feb 03, 2001 3:21 am

I forgot about that. Does anyone know how much power California uses in Summer versus Winter? You would think that Summer would be worse, with all the air conditioners...

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RE: Have The Lights Come Back On In California?

Sat Feb 03, 2001 3:37 am

How's LAX doing, one of the busiest airports? Their runways are lit, aren't they?  Smile
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RE: Have The Lights Come Back On In California?

Sat Feb 03, 2001 6:40 am

Supposedly we (California) will be short 500 megawatts a day during the summer (hallelujah my family and I are leaving for Europe in June). Today was the 18th day in a row that Stage 3 power alerts were issued, but no blackouts are expected.

In a blow to the horribly gone wrong deregulation experiment, the Power Exchange (the marketplace where energy was bought and sold) went out of business a day or two ago.

There is talk of creating a California Power Authority, taking over the transmission lines which is a large part of what SoCal Edison and PG&E have left to own. It's such a mess...

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RE: Have The Lights Come Back On In California?

Sat Feb 03, 2001 7:51 am

Anyone see the movie "Black Out"

Or at least I think its the name - they live in California and the power goes out they end up trying to drive to a parents house and one of em gets shot?.?.?.
 
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RE: Have The Lights Come Back On In California?

Sat Feb 03, 2001 10:21 am

California has been stealing our (Washington's) electricity (well, sanctioned stealing under the Clinton administration) for a couple of months, effectively jacking up our prices up here to unbelievable levels (I don't believe Bush is going to continue the order for us to sell Cali our power for dirt cheap). We're Nuts can confirm that....
The way I understand it is that California is usually sending us energy in the winter and in the summer we send Cali energy from our dams. Well, this year its all backwords but Cali is still getting our power.... So hopefully our wonderful governor will stand up to Gov. Davis and tell him: you got yourself in this mess, don't look at us to bail you out at our expense!
I am completely fed up with the California government, as well as Clinton and Locke for sending our power to California.

On a semi-related note: I went up to Snoqualmie Falls last week and it had been diminished to a trickle because of the lack of rain on top of the fact that the dams are letting anything and everything because they have to power not only us, but Cali, too...
 
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RE: Have The Lights Come Back On In California?

Sat Feb 03, 2001 10:46 am

SashA: When blackouts occur, they are planned. The Independent System Operator, which controls this kind of thing, can pick and choose which regions to cut power to. So they will avoid cutting power to areas with hospitals, airports, etc. I do not think there will be a problem with LAX, SFO, SNA, or SAN operations that is directly related to power cuts.

Luckily for us in Southern California, there is a power transfer bottleneck up near Bakersfield that severely reduces the need for rolling blackouts in LA, Orange County, and San Diego. So basically that means the Bay Area will get hit the most. Smile

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RE: Have The Lights Come Back On In California?

Sat Feb 03, 2001 5:19 pm

I say cut the power first of all to all the environmentalists who protested the construction of new power plants.

Second, "Deregulation" never happened. The government controlled the retail pricing, and has held it artifically low for years for political reasons. Meanwhile wholesale power prices go up, and the utilities cannot pass on the cost. A crash had to occur.

"Buy high, sell low" was not the philosophy I learned at the MBA. Maybe it means something to Calif. government idiots.

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