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This Is An Outrage!

Sun Feb 11, 2001 4:06 pm

From the Washington Times....

Defense supporters upset as Bush balks
By Rowan Scarborough
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Congressional Republicans expressed frustration yesterday with President Bush's decision not to immediately shore up military readiness, as the Joint Chiefs of Staff pressed the case inside the Pentagon for $7 billion in emergency aid.
Several Republican lawmakers are upset with Mr. Bush but are reluctant to criticize the president publicly. They privately point to Vice President Richard B. Cheney's pledge to troops during the campaign that "help is on the way" and then note recent White House statements that no emergency funds will be approved for now.
Sen. John W. Warner, Virginia Republican and chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said in an interview he agrees a Pentagon transformation study is needed, as Mr. Bush has ordered.
But he added, "We've got to fix [readiness] now. So you go on two tracks." He said he would like Mr. Bush to submit a supplemental bill to Congress in May or June so it could be on the president's desk for his signature by August.
Mr. Warner hammered home this point in a letter signed by other Republican committee members and sent to the president last night.
"As you and Vice President Cheney pointed out frequently during the campaign," Mr. Warner wrote, "there are serious readiness and personnel problems which require immediate attention. It is important that we quickly address these problems and fix the force that is currently in place. That force could be called on to act at anytime and it must be ready."
One Republican staffer said Mr. Bush's pro-defense supporters are using the word "betrayal."
"My phone is ringing off the hook saying, 'What's going on and why did we support Bush,' " said the aide. "People are livid. Betrayal is a good word."
Asked if lawmakers would write their own supplemental bill, the staffer said, "I don't see how we can buck a Republican president."
In their first skirmish with the new commander in chief, the Joint Chiefs this week continued to make the case for a quick infusion of money to purchase spare parts, fuel and ammunition, and to repair housing.
Defense officials said the chiefs met Monday in a secure meeting room known as the "tank" and made their case for emergency aid to Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.
Officials said Mr. Rumsfeld said no "immediate" supplemental request will be sent to Congress, but that one may be submitted later to bolster this year's $295 billion defense budget.
"The service chiefs feel they have a need for an emergency supplemental at some level of dollars," said one defense source.
Rep. Ike Skelton of Missouri, ranking Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee, said he was "disappointed" that Mr. Bush did not back a supplemental bill and that it was tantamount to breaking a campaign promise.
"Have you called any of those generals and admirals who endorsed Bush?" Mr. Skelton said. "Ask them if they have egg on their face. This isn't going to help recruiting. It's not going to help retention."
Regarding Mr. Bush's plan to hold off on substantial increases in defense spending until the fiscal 2003 budget, the congressman said, "I think they can do it much faster than that. The service chiefs have already been over to talk to the president. He knows what the service chiefs need. I don't think it takes a full year to do a review."
White House spokesman Ari Fleischer yesterday defended the president's approach.
"The president has said that he will seek no immediate supplemental," Mr. Fleischer said. "He has not ruled one out for later in the year. But his first priority is to make certain that we attend to America's defense needs, and that is why he has directed Secretary Rumsfeld to begin the force structure review."
The review, which has yet to begin, would identify the nation's post-Cold War threats and then shape the force to meet the challenges to national security in the years ahead. Mr. Bush said during the campaign that the transformation of the armed forces could involve canceling major weapons systems in favor of research into more technologically advanced weapons.
Under this plan, Mr. Bush's first significant imprint on the Pentagon budget would not come until the fiscal 2003 plan submitted one year from now. The White House plans to send Congress a "lean" budget this month for fiscal 2002, which begins Oct. 1, that will bump up spending to around $310 billion.
But Republican staffers said yesterday they hoped the time frame would not scuttle a supplemental bill. After all, they said, the spending would go for immediate needs such as aircraft and truck parts, and fuel to maintain flying hours and ship deployments.
Jack Spencer, a military analyst at the Heritage Foundation, says the military needs an immediate add-on of $10 billion this year and $25 billion in fiscal 2002 principally to tackle combat-readiness shortfalls.
Still, he is reluctant to criticize Mr. Bush.
"I'm hesitant to come down hard on the administration right now, simply because I'm waiting to see how this pans out," Mr. Spencer said. "I have no problem with the strategy overview. I think that's imperative that they do that before coming up with huge amounts of funds. They can't do that overnight. It's going to be a year before they can do that budget."
He added: "We continue to infer certain things from a little bit of what's being said by the administration. I'm waiting to see what their actions are. They certainly ran on a platform to fix readiness right up front."

© 2001 News World Communications, Inc.
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What is Bush thinking?!
I had a feeling that he wasn't going to come through on something, and this is the absolute worst thing he could neglect. After the Clinton Administration nearly dismantled the military, you'd expect Bush to come through for the members of the armed forces and the welfare of the citizens of the United States of America!
The military can't even keep half of its aircraft maintained and ready to fly, keep its ammo stocked, or even pay our servicemen! Many enlisted men are living off of food stamps, dammit, and the services can't stop the officers from leaving for the private sector.

What a disgrace.    Crying

Something needs to be done immediately, but somehow I don't think the White House is going to do anything about it. I am beginning to think that this nation chose the wrong man to be President of the United States of America...
 
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RE: This Is An Outrage!

Sun Feb 11, 2001 4:11 pm

This is where people started to realize they only voted for the lesser of two evils  Acting devilish.

Aaron G.
 
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RE: This Is An Outrage!

Sun Feb 11, 2001 4:35 pm

Finally, the conservatives are starting to realize that Bush is a lier and cheater, and they voted for the wrong person.
 
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RE: This Is An Outrage!

Sun Feb 11, 2001 4:46 pm

Exactly. That's why I voted for Buchanan.  Smile
 
Trvlr
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RE: This Is An Outrage!

Sun Feb 11, 2001 5:01 pm

Uhhhhh...even better Smile.

Aaron G.
 
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RE: This Is An Outrage!

Sun Feb 11, 2001 5:03 pm

I don't know why you think the US is unable to defend itself. Any mass-destruction attack on the US means mass-destruction for the attacker, you don't think countries know that?

In any case, as long as you are unhappy with Bush, I am ecstatic Big grin
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RE: This Is An Outrage!

Mon Feb 12, 2001 12:07 am

Trvlr, I have been saying that since before the election! Great comment!

N766AS: Unless you are in the military, I suggest you don't talk about what you don't know. I'm in the military, and have been around enough to know that 7 billion in "emergency" aid is not gonna do a damn thing. The U.S. despite severe downsizing is still a capable and ready force should the need for War arise. The rebuilding and retooling of the military will not happen over night, and will take a whole hell of a lot more than 7 billion dollars. To jump on Bush, and say he is betraying the military is bullshit. Not even a month has gone by since he took office! His proposal for a pay raise in 2002 is almost double anything Billy was offering, and if you have gotten a military paycheck, his 7.3% or whatever it will be raise will be a very welcome sight!

>What is Bush thinking?!
I had a feeling that he wasn't going to come through on something, and this is the absolute worst thing he could neglect. After the Clinton Administration nearly dismantled the military, you'd expect Bush to come through for the members of the armed forces and the welfare of the citizens of the United States of America!

What, is Bush supposed to do this overnight? It took Billy 8 years to downsize our military. Bush can't snap his fingers, and BOOM, everything is fine!

>The military can't even keep half of its aircraft maintained and ready to fly, keep its ammo stocked, or even pay our servicemen!

The aircraft situation is not that bad, but the Air Force does need a ton of new planes. The C-5's while a great aircraft are notorious for breaking down...all the time. The U.S. has plenty of ammo stocked. Believe me. As for our pay, you hit it right on the head, but again, You can't just change things over night.

>Many enlisted men are living off of food stamps, dammit, and the services can't stop the officers from leaving for the private sector.

Saying many military men (enlisted or not) are living off food stamps is a bit extreme. Many might qualify, but pride keeps them from taking them. You make a good point, but its not as bad as you make it. Although one military member even qualifing is BS. We can die for our country, but we can't support our familiys? Also, the military is losing officers AND enlisted right and left, because it is a strong economy. There are jobs out there. Also, with a strong economy, people don't have as much of a need to join the military. Bush can't help that one damn bit!

Cba: You don't know your ass from a hole in the ground, much less know the Bush is a cheater and a lier. You are more than entitled to your opinions, but back them up. I'm sure you have no idea about Americas military structure at the moment, so just agreeing with N766AS is weak. Back up your claim...if you can.
 
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RE: This Is An Outrage!

Mon Feb 12, 2001 3:34 am

Like i've said before, we are all going to die because Bush was elected...
 
KROC
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RE: This Is An Outrage!

Mon Feb 12, 2001 3:40 am

Derek H. That was a well thought out post. And your reasoning was well put. You are truely an eloquent man.
 
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RE: This Is An Outrage!

Mon Feb 12, 2001 3:46 am

Of course, I didn't need any facts or anything to back it up, because it was just my personal opinion. I didn't say anyone elce believed it, I do. So I told you what I thought. I dont need facts to back up my opinions, because that is what they are, opinions.
 
KROC
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RE: This Is An Outrage!

Mon Feb 12, 2001 3:56 am

You're right, its just when you back them up with facts on why you think were gonna die, now that Bush is in office, people might actually respect them, instead of looking at you as a joke.
 
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RE: This Is An Outrage!

Mon Feb 12, 2001 5:08 am

Give Bush a little time first. I promise you he will fix the military back up to a better position, I have faith in him. Considering he just got moved in, and that he is currently working hard on his tax cut plan, I'm sure he is busy enough to make someone sick. He can only improve our country by so much so quick. Like I said, give him some time. He will come through.

As far as the Dumbocrats/liberals that have piped off already, anything Bush does will be better in the country's interest than anything Klinton has done in the last eight years, so hold your breath and spare us...

-Dustin
 
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RE: This Is An Outrage!

Mon Feb 12, 2001 7:50 am

Kroc,

Thanks for giving us your inside knowledge. I didn't think it could be all doom and gloom in the US Military.

Cheers,

mb
 
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RE: This Is An Outrage!

Mon Feb 12, 2001 10:28 am

Nice post, KROC. It's refreshing get the inside scoop from someone who knows what they're talking about.

Charles, SJ
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RE: This Is An Outrage!

Mon Feb 12, 2001 9:44 pm

I'm still standing by my man.

You dems. will never drag me away from my guy.



"....I'm stickin' to my guy like a stamp to a letter like birds of a feather we, stick together"....
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RE: This Is An Outrage!

Tue Feb 13, 2001 8:42 am

OK- I've been gone for a couple days and I'm catching up...

>Finally, the conservatives are starting to realize that Bush is a lier and cheater, and they voted for the wrong person.

No, he's not a liar or a cheater (and he may not be the best person for the job, but a whole hell of a lot better than the other alternative), but you'd think after he campaigns on rebuilding the military that he'd do everything within his power to do so....

>Unless you are in the military, I suggest you don't talk about what you don't know

No, I'm not in the military, but I've talked to enough people (I live next to a Navy O-5 and have talked to other members of the military) to know that something has to be done soon.

>. The U.S. despite severe downsizing is still a capable and ready force should the need for War arise.

Oh, of course... that's not the main reason I think the DOD needs more funding...
But what about the enlisted ranks that are living off of food stamps (I don't care if it is even ONE person that is even ELIGIBLE for food stamps)? In my opinion, NO ONE in the service of our nation's military should be below poverty level or have to go on (or be eligible) for social programs, such as food stamps. One of the first things I would like to see would be all enlisted and officer ranks getting large pay increases...
Hopefully you see where I am coming from...

>To jump on Bush, and say he is betraying the military is bullshit.

No, I don't think its a betrayal, I'm just wondering why he campaigned on rebuilding the military and turns down the first proposal he sees...

Overall, yeah- I think he'll make a good president (but I would have rather seen Alan Keyes-R- or Howard Phillips-C- in the Oval Office).

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