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America's Finest City?

Tue Feb 20, 2001 10:45 am

Is San Diego's official motto outdated?

I think so. Perhaps 15 to 20 years ago it was probably one of the best places in the States to live. Now, I might as well be in Los Angeles or Orange Co. when it comes to urban sprawl, traffic and pollution.

I been going there starting in 1973, every year since 1986, and I've noticed that it's not as enjoyable as my previous visits. My biggest gripe is about the traffic (been on Mira Mesa Blvd. lately) and the proliferation of strip malls (especially those stupid speedbumps). I think the city needs to curb its growth, but don't think that's going to happen.

Despite this, I'll probably be back there in a couple of months. Big grin

 
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RE: America's Finest City?

Tue Feb 20, 2001 10:57 am

What the bloody hell are you talking about, fool??? San Diego is a great place to live!! Well if you have money at least...it can get pretty damn expensive otherwise.

Well seriously now...I grew up in San Diego when it had evolved into a big city. I view it as something that should strive to be more; not try and sit on its past. It seems that all of the people that don't like San Diego now just can't compensate for the fact that it is now a region with almost 3 million people. What we need to do now is not try and constrain the city, but tend its growth wisely. I certainly do not like the proliferation of strip malls, and I support almost every land-saving measure that comes on the ballot.

I kind of like Mayor Murphy's stance on growth: Don't attract it, but do everything we need to accomodate it. Because it will happen. Whether we like it or not.

Aaron G.
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RE: America's Finest City?

Tue Feb 20, 2001 11:27 am

...we need to do now is not try and constrain the city, but tend its growth wisely

Case in point: Hwy 56 is now open between I-5 (Carmel Valley) and I-15 (Penasquitos); this will be a great benefit to commuters now using Mira Mesa Blvd. Unfortunately, I foresee further development (actually, it's occuring now) along Hwy 56, therefore instead of relieving congestion on the other surface streets it'll (development) add new traffic to the area.

I was there in the '70s and I saw how the city planners tried to accommodate the future growth, e.g. wider roads to add new lanes, but I'm sure they didn't foresaw the very rapid growth of the city.

Wasn't there a ballot initiative in 1998 curbing growth, but was unfortunately defeated?

regards,


P.S. don't worry about a new airport...you guys can't even build a new baseball stadium.  Big grin Big grin
 
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RE: America's Finest City?

Tue Feb 20, 2001 11:48 am

hehe I guess not. If nothing can ever be done in this city I wonder why everyone's complaining Smile.

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RE: America's Finest City?

Tue Feb 20, 2001 11:52 am

I'd rather live in America's Most Beautiful City.....



San Francisco, California.

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RE: America's Finest City?

Tue Feb 20, 2001 12:17 pm

I'm with DeltaSfo on this one.
 
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RE: DeltaSFO

Tue Feb 20, 2001 12:30 pm

I agree...Frisco (chuckle Big grin) is the most beautiful city that I've been to...besides where else can Willie Brown run for mayor as a moderate.  Big grin Big grin


Although this is my kind of town...


regards,


P.S. sorry for the cheap shot, again...but I'm a cheap shot artist, it says so in my business card. Big grin
 
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RE: America's Finest City?

Tue Feb 20, 2001 12:53 pm

Hey, SD, SF, and Chicago are my 1, 2, & 3 when it comes to cities. I like it.

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RE: America's Finest City?

Tue Feb 20, 2001 1:05 pm

Although San Francisco is probably the pretteist major city in America, Vancouver is by far the prettiest in North America, especially when the sun is out.
 
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RE: America's Finest City?

Tue Feb 20, 2001 1:32 pm

I have heard that the worst place is in Yuma City, California about a few years ago on the news! I bet SFO, YVR, DEN and ORD are the most beautiful cities in North America. I really like DEN. Denver has been a lot of improving and bigger! I like to see the mountains from Denver. When I retire to move in Denver someday.

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RE: America's Finest City?

Tue Feb 20, 2001 1:44 pm

I would have to say Austin, Texas

 
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RE: America's Finest City?

Tue Feb 20, 2001 1:47 pm

big777jet

You mean Yuba City, north of Sacramento, near Marysville. It's pretty boring area except one can always drive to The Sierras and Lassen Volcanic National Park.

Yuma is in Arizona, there's nothing there unless you're a jarhead (Marine) or work for Boeing (nee McDonnell Douglas).

I think that survey also had Rockford, IL as one of the best place to live in America.  Confused

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RE: America's Finest City?

Tue Feb 20, 2001 2:12 pm

What other city is called "The City", none other than New York City. Now thats a CITY. Smile
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RE: America's Finest City?

Tue Feb 20, 2001 4:08 pm

No city in the "New World" comes close to touching New York.
NYC has the most culture [Met, Guggenhiem, Cooper Hewitt, Whittney, MoMA, Met Opera, Natural History], lots of art from the galleries of SoHo and back up to the Met. Then there is the worlds greatest food, H&H bagels! Best places to eat with a variety as great as the many people that make up the city with a range of prices that reflect the increadible poverty and wealth in the city. Great architecture, despite eye soars like the World Trade Center. Ok, what else, Central Park is of course a great place to be, I can't think of anyother exercise I'd rather do than the 6 mile loop around the park from the rich streets of the Upper East Side to the rough but deep routed streets of Harlem and to the funky neighborhood like Upper West Side. New York is also made up of 4 other bourghs, let us not forget them, but now I have to go, so you can go explore yourself.



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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 12:16 am

ATLANTA!!!!!

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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 1:02 am

Austin, Texas and the Hill Country.

Pretty and affordable
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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 1:17 am

Well, my first trip to America is coming up pretty soon...I'm flying to New York for a few days, and then my friends and I will be driving up to Boston, and then Providence.

I am REALLY excited, as I have seen and heard so much about this country. Yeehaa! Big grin
 
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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 2:21 am

Hey, now... we're forgetting the Emerald City- yes that's right, Seattle is America's finest city.



 
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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 2:28 am

Dallas or Fort Worth! No wait, I thought you were talking about America's ugliest city. Big grin
 
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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 3:14 am


Des Moines!!



Just thought I'd through this in.  Big grin
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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 3:19 am

What the hell, here's Iowa City too:


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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 3:23 am

Wow a lot of great cities in this post.

DeltaSFO and CstarU both picked great cities!  Smile
San Francisco and Chicago are great.
...and yes Willie Brown is too damn conservative for this city!  Angry

Other great cities are Vancouver, Minneapolis, Duluth MN., and Des Monies IA.  Big thumbs up

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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 3:35 am

Superfly... if I'm not mistaken, Vancouver is north of the border- that is unless you are talking about Vancouver, WA. hehehe  Big grin
 
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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 3:36 am

How can Rochester NY not be on this list yet?! I'm hurt.
 
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N766AS

Wed Feb 21, 2001 3:51 am

N766AS, I was refering to Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.
Canada is part of America, North America that is. Thats what the topic is implying.
Mexico, Chile, Brazil, Panama is all a part of America. North, Central and South that is.

KROC, Rochester is up there!
It's a heck of a lot better than Austin, Texas!

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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 3:56 am

I have been to the following big cities:

Boston, Hartford, New York, Philadelphia, Washington DC, Charlotte, Greenville Spartanburg, Atlanta, Charleston, Ft. Lauderdale, Orlando, Miami, Cleveland, Chicago, Minneapolis, Houston, Austin, Phoenix, Scottsdale, San Diego, LA, San Francisco, Salt Lake City, San Juan and I have to say,

Boston is number 1.


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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 3:56 am

haha alright... you're streeeccccchhhing it Big grin
 
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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 3:58 am

Finally...another believer Big grin
 
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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 4:09 am

Portland, OR!!

---reasonable cost of living
---relatively low crime rate
---solid educational system
---strong economic growth led by high–tech companies like Intel, Hewlett-Packard, Epson
---high quality musuems and cultural attractions
---no sales tax
---great shopping/restaurants
---active preservation of historic buildings
---ground-breaking city planning and environmental policies
------------large expanses of greenbelt/parks
------------excellent light-rail system
 
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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 4:13 am

El premier is correct... no sales tax in Oregon paired with no income tax in Washington also makes Vancouver, WA (just across the river) a great place, even though its not as nice as the Oregon side.

Only problem is Oregon has some wacko socialists...
 
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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 4:17 am

N766AS, you're right, Seattle is a fine city.....OK, it's the only american city I have been and I know...but it's great there. Especially with the Blue Angels on the sky.....(Seafair 2000).
My favorite city is Zurich, not so big but big enough for Switzerland...


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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 4:22 am

The Des Moines one was a joke BTW....

As far as big cities go, it got to be CHICAGO!
 
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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 4:23 am

Yeah- Seafair is fun and its great you were here for Seafair2000. The Blue Angels are always the big attraction and put on a good show over the lake.
 
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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 4:28 am

It were unfortunately bad weather, the performance was the bad-weather performance, but it was still great. I was also on the USS Constellation.
I was there for a week, then I went back to Zurich with Delta. (MD-80 Seattle-ATL, B767-332ER ATL-ZRH).


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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 4:31 am

sorry, but it should begin with "it WAS....."

Imprezas rule!!
 
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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 4:34 am

Ah yes- I remember that weather problem now... kind of disappointing because when the sky is clear and the sun is out, you can see them coming from miles then they go right over you. Yeah, Seattle's a big Navy town and the fleet comes into Elliot Bay for Seafair events... its one of my favorite times of the year.
 
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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 5:06 am

Los Angeles is my favorite city in the U.S.
 
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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 5:07 am

Im sitting in school right now and im typing so i got to make this quick before someone sees me addicted to a.net!!!  Big thumbs up, newayz i live by ORD and Chicago is great! The American capital of architecture (chicago) has a beautifull downtown, the best city is definately Chicago with the 3 best airports on earth. ORD, MDW, CGX!!!
 
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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 6:18 am

Anchorage!


But as far as real cities go, I'd have to say Seattle...
 
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AS737900

Wed Feb 21, 2001 6:31 am

Is Anchorage a fake city?
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LOT767-300ER

Wed Feb 21, 2001 7:08 am

I have to agree with LOT767-300ER
Chicago is a great place!
 
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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 7:28 am

My favorites are Boston and NYC. San Francisco is great. Washington DC has a long way to to away from the Corrupt Mayor Marion Barry era before they become my fav city. Hopefully they can shed the "Murder capital of the US" title known to many in the US. Hopefully the current mayor will be great like NYC mayor Rudolph Guliani and we can then see a major turn around.
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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 7:40 am

Superfly-
What do you mean by "fake city"?
 
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AS737900

Wed Feb 21, 2001 7:55 am

You implied that Anchorage was a great city then turned around and said that Seatle was a 'real' city.
Does this mean that Anchorage is not a real city?

BTW, I am just giving you a hard time. Big grin
Both cities are great!
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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 8:31 am

Ah. Ok. Duh...  Smile
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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 10:55 am

I like Atlanta, and from what I have seen, Orlando is a good city as well. I like those two cities and my favorite would have to be Jacksonville, FL, even though its not that big.

I have been to (starting from the west)- Anchorage, Seattle, San Francisco (too young to remember), Las Vegas, Albuquerque, Denver, Oklahoma City, Dallas, Houston, St. Louis, Chicago, Memphis, New Orleans, Atlanta, Washington D.C., Jacksonville, Orlando, New York City, Boston, Providence.

I live 60 miles from Reno, NV, but that doesn't count.
 
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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 12:06 pm

I would say DC, represents our country in a good way. Fantastic city.
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RE: America's Finest City?

Wed Feb 21, 2001 1:26 pm

Definitly Washington DC. But also include Chicago, Anchorage, San Fransisco, Ft. Lauderdale, Naples(FL),
Orlando, Atlanta, and Philadelphia.


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Jacksonville, FL is the biggest city in Florida with more than 600,000 residents, and maybe more by now. It ranks right up there.
 
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CStarU

Wed Feb 21, 2001 11:32 pm

I agree...Frisco.....

*gasp*.... how dare you! Big grin

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RE: America's Finest City?

Thu Feb 22, 2001 2:00 am

Okay, call my biased but Boston is my favourite American city. I mean, the people suck (excluding your truly  Smile), and people can't drive to save their lives, the roads are terrible, the city is a complete mess with construction. Prices are high. Boston is an extremely expensive city. On average we pay 20% more for needed things, although gas is cheaper, something that saved us a lot during the summer gas price hikes. In Boston, if you aren't sure of exactly where you are going, and exactly how to get there, leave yourself 30-45 minutes extra time, because you will get lost. Just blame it on those feisty Puritans, who weren't exactly going to win prizes for city planning, and because of their influence, you still cannot buy alcohol on Sundays (called the Blue Law or something like that. They remove it during certain times of the year, like Labour Day, and Spring).

Chicago is nice, LA is nice, San Diego is nice, New York is...well, New York, Miami is okay, and Washington definitely has too many homeless.

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