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School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 4:08 am

10 Injured in California School Shooting

By BEN FOX
.c The Associated Press

SANTEE, Calif. (March 5) - A gunman opened fire on fellow students at a high school Monday, wounding 10 people, one critically, officials said. One witness said the youth smiled as he fired a long-barreled handgun.

''I heard gunfire and I heard people screaming,'' student Alicia Zimmer told KGTV. She said she froze with fright until her boyfriend pushed her out of the way. ''I dropped my stuff; it's still there right in the middle of the hall. It was really scary.''

All of the 10 wounded had been taken from the scene, sheriff's Lt. Glenn Revell said. One of those wounded was a campus supervisor.

A suspect, a male student, was taken into custody, officials said.

Much of the shooting happened in a boys' restroom, but the shooter also stepped out into a quad area and fired more rounds, witnesses said.

''When he came back out of the bathroom he was smiling,'' student John Schardt, 17, told KGTV. ''He was looking around and was smiling with his weapon and he fired two more shots and went back in.''

''When we heard the shots I thought it was fake. My teacher said it was real,'' Schardt said.

Students were escorted to a nearby shopping center. Television images showed a parking lot full of students and parents milling anxiously while paramedics took away the injured.

Zimmer said she didn't see the shooter but she did see one girl with blood on her arm and a boy lying face down on the floor.

The shots ''sounded more like a cap gun than anything,'' she said.

The town of 59,000 is about 10 miles northeast of San Diego. Santana High, which opened in 1965, has more that 1,900 students in grades nine through 12.

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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 4:15 am

What the Hell is wrong with our nation? When our teenagers result to shooting at there own classmates multipul times you know theres something wrong.

Eric
 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 4:15 am

Very sad, but not the worst tragedy at this time. There was a bridge collpased in Portugal that killed more than 60 people. I wish the news coverage would be more balanced.
 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 4:20 am

I agree Eric. I hate to blame anyone or anything, but parenting nowadays has a huge part in all of this.
 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 6:18 am

It is now reported that 2 students are dead. Very Sad

Eric
 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 6:22 am

Don't forget about the 13 hurt!
 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 6:24 am

How long until Mx5_boy is up in here spewing his anti-American rhetoric, and crying about what a violent society we live in? I'll guess a few more hours.....I can hardly wait...  Yeah sure
 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 6:28 am

Well, here we go again - We'll get another wave of violence blamed on music, lack of religion, video games, movies and marylin manson...
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Mx5_boy

Tue Mar 06, 2001 6:37 am

Hey Mx5_boy, come right on in...
 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 6:41 am

I just got an email from my friend, who's nephew went to that school. Here is an exerpt from it.

"I just heard through my sister that my nephew is physically all right. He was just passing the rest room when the 9th grader with the gun came out shooting. A nearby teacher yelled for everyone to get down, that the kid was firing real bullets. Unfortunately the kid next to Justin apparently didn't take the warning seriously or didn't comprehend what was being yelled by the teacher because he was shot dead where he stood. Justin told my brother that the gun sounded like small fire crackers going off even though he was apparently near the gunman."

What a crazy situation! Words cannot describe this.
 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 6:52 am

That is pretty scary. I do not want to start a anti gun thread here, however when kids are being shot at school there is a problem

CPDC10-30 - The bridhe collapsing was an accident, and I think that when a kids are being shot at school in cold blood it is far worse then a accident. You are meant to be safe at school not scared some one will shoot you!
Iain
 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 6:55 am

WOW thats scary. Yes they will try to blam it on TV,Video Games etc.. But i think it is the paretns responsability. Also i talked to Trvlr during school and told him,and he goes to school 15 miles away from there. Scary to see one of our own so close.

Eric
 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 6:56 am

Heres an Update:2 Dead, 13 Hurt in California School Shooting

By BEN FOX
.c The Associated Press

SANTEE, Calif. (March 5) - A 15-year-old freshman opened fire at his high school on Monday, killing two youths and wounding 13 other people, authorities said. One witness said the youth smiled as he fired.

One person was dead at the scene and 14 others were injured, Santee Fire Department spokesman Jeff Fehlberg said. Later, a second victim died at Grossmont Hospital. It was the largest number of dead and wounded in a school shooting since the Columbine tragedy nearly two years ago.

Both of the dead were juveniles, and at least two of those shot were campus supervisors at Santana High School, Sheriff William Kolender said.

Chris Reynolds, the father of one of the suspect's friends, told KGTV he heard over the weekend that the teen-ager had a gun.

''I do regret that I didn't do something because I should've stepped up even if it wasn't true and stuff to take that precaution,'' Reynolds said. ''If someone did die over there and stuff, that's going to be haunting me for a long time, that's going to be with me for a long time. It just hurts because I could've maybe done something about it.''

Student John Schardt said he was in a nearby classroom when the shooting started at about 9:20 a.m. in a nearby boys room. ''I looked at the kid, and he was smiling and shooting his weapon,'' Schardt, 17, told KGTV.

''It was total chaos. People were trying to take cover,'' Schardt said.

One deputy was teaching a class at the time of the shooting and was at the site within moments, Kolender said.

Students were escorted to a nearby shopping center. Television images showed a parking lot full of students and parents milling anxiously while paramedics took away the injured. Classes were canceled for Tuesday and counselors would be available, officials said.

Another student, Alicia Zimmer, told the station she froze with fright until her boyfriend pushed her out of the way. ''I dropped my stuff; it's still there right in the middle of the hall. It was really scary,'' she said.

Zimmer said she didn't see the shooter but she did see one girl with blood on her arm and a boy lying face down on the floor.

Andrew Kaforey, a 17-year-old Santana senior, said he ran into the bathroom with a security guard after hearing what sounded like a firecracker or a gunshot.

''He pointed the gun right at me but he didn't shoot,'' Kaforey said. As he and the guard ran out, the suspect shot the guard in the back, Kaforey said.

Kaforey's 14-year-old brother, Jacob, said a boy they believe was the shooter had talked earlier about how he owned a gun, although other students hadn't seen the weapon. The boy also had talked about stealing a car and going to Mexico, Jacob said.

Reynolds said the boy had been talking last week about shooting people, but assured listeners he wasn't serious.

''Everybody can't believe that he actually did it,'' Reynolds told KGTV. ''He said he was just joking.''

He described the shooter as the type of boy who was picked on at school, and said one of the boy's friends even checked the shooter's knapsack Monday morning to make sure it did not contain a weapon.

In Washington, President Bush called the shooting a ''disgraceful act of cowardice'' and said the best prevention is to teach children right from wrong.

Santee, a town of 59,000 residents, is about 10 miles northeast of San Diego. Santana High, which opened in 1965, has more that 1,900 students in grades nine through 12.

On April 20, 1999, two students at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo., killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 23 before killing themselves. It was the worst of a string of mass shootings at schools that shocked the nation.

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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 7:11 am

This is very sad, and i am sure very scary for the students who lived though it. Alls I can say, its not very reassuring to hear this when I am supose to be moving to California in three months. Wow...he was only 15 years old. I couldn't even think about someone my age at my school shooting the place up. Yes, we have joked about somthing of that nature before, but it is a very serious matter.

 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 7:22 am

I just heard it on the news recnetly and the shooting a an disgrace ignorant cowardice. THAT IS TOTALLY NOT ACCEPTABLE.

We have had several school shooting around the DC area few years ago after the Columbine incident, I can't beleive what these idiotic kids and teenagers are now doing. Why can't they get a life?

Yes, I did mention kid. About a year ago in the DC metro area, a 5-year old kid open fired in his elementary school.

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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 7:48 am

Another school shooting. We're having almost one a year now. Ever since all of these school shootings started, whenever I hear a loud bang or something at school, I always freeze in fear. This is just another sign that we need to pass stricter gun control laws.

This could not happen in any other country for two reasons:
1. No Civillian Access to weapons. Not even the police in most European countries posses guns.

2. American parents are among the most neglegent.
 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 8:14 am

>This is just another sign that we need to pass stricter gun control laws.

OH GIVE ME A BREAK!!!
Do NOT try to tell me if there were simply laws on the book that this kid (who broke the law by murdering and assualting people) would have followed the gun control law. He shows HUGE disregard for the lives he took, so why shouldn't he have disregard for the laws that may prohibit his possesion of a firearm?

I say let him hang (or fry, or face a firing squad- whatever). We need stricter PENALTIES, not stricter laws.
 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 8:15 am

Eh hem, a HANDGUN? I rest my case....
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 8:25 am

What does that have to do with anything, Adam? A gun is a gun, a dead person is a dead person.

We need to set the example and fry this kid in the chair. But that still won't stop the suicidal ones, I guess. There will always be crazies, no matter if they have guns, bombs, knives, whatever.
 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 8:29 am

I'm here!!!! Love to you all.

What a sad day when this happens, has there been any reason why these shootings have happened? Are these kids that do this mixed up or something? How do they get the guns in the first place?

Sorry to hear about it, my condolences go out to all those involved.

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N766AS

Tue Mar 06, 2001 8:35 am

You read my mind!  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 8:56 am

>Are these kids that do this mixed up or something?

Most definately. I know that I wouldn't go into my closet, grab my arsenal (hehe), and take it to school to try to blow as many people as I could away. First, I am mentally stable. Second, I know how to use guns safely and not pointing one at a person (except in certain situations) is the NUMBER ONE RULE.

>How do they get the guns in the first place?

Don't know that one. I don't know much about the State of California's gun control laws, so I can't really comment on what needs to be done.
 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 10:48 am

Matt D, no one under 21 should be allowed to read your mind....

N766AS, Cba, there are many, many reasons for why this happened. Bad parenting is one, so are loose gun controls laws, not to mention that kids today are just plain mean. One thing that never could have stopped this is stricter punishments. We need to work upstream, before the killing starts, not after. If someone is determined enough, they can do anything. They aren't thinking about the consequences, and they never will.

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Rear Butts

Tue Mar 06, 2001 10:52 am

So then what you are suggesting is that we disarm all the law abiding citizens, and then be at the mercy of the criminals and the competency and swiftness of the 911 dispatcher and the local police?

Sorry, I am not willing to take that leap of faith when it comes to protecting myself and my loved ones.

 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 10:56 am

Nor am I.
 
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RE: Rear Butts

Tue Mar 06, 2001 10:56 am

You are assuming that we won't disarm criminals. I'm not sure who your screwed up mind works, but we disarm EVERYONE.

Besides, how many criminals have you shot to death lately?


And I would've expected more from you than to twist my username into something different. I'm surprised KROC holds you in such high regard....
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 10:58 am

We can't even disarm them NOW!!! How would repealing the 2nd Ammendnent be a pancea to that?

Are all of the hoodlums all going to wake up and say, "geez...all guns are outlawed now....I guess I'll turn mine in too."

Ain't gonna happen.
 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 11:01 am

It will take time and you will never get rid of all the guns. But in the long run it will be well worth it.

Eric
 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 11:02 am

Well if we shut down shooting clubs and ammo shops, where are they gonna get their bullets!? Besides, we aren't trying to disarm them now, we're taking the Republican approach of "if we all carried around AK-47s, no one would ever get hurt!". See how that has left us?

Dumb, dumb, dumb....
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 11:03 am

Good way of putting it We're Nuts
 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 11:09 am

Now there's a stroke of genius...

We'll outlaw bullets, but not guns...

Your logic (or actually a lack thereof) never ceases to amaze me.

 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 11:11 am

Is that the best you could do? My post really must have struck a nerve....
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 11:29 am

If they outlaw guns and bullets people will find illegal ways to get them - easy as that. There is no way to control guns in society. The 2nd amendment was applied for militias but we don't need them today, so why should we keep it then?
 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 12:00 pm

any of you ever that song by the Boomtown Rats, "I don't like Mondays" ?? It was pretty good. Its unfortunate this stuff happens, but once Columbine happened and it gets in the news it gives other people ideas... like the tylenol poisoning 20 years ago. suddenly all the copycats and before you know it, everything you buy in the store is tamper proof.
 
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Matt D, N766AS

Tue Mar 06, 2001 12:00 pm

If a 15 year old kid can get a gun and shoot up his school, this tells you that it is too easy to get a gun. Yes, other weapons exist that could have been used, but only a gun can do such widespread damage. One person can't wound 13 people with a knife. If someone came at me with a knife, I could run away, or find a chair or something and defend myself. I can't escape a gunshot.

When was the last time any of your lives were saved by your gun?

Just look at Europe, people can't own guns. The police don't even have guns. It works! It could work here too.
 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 12:30 pm

Cba, a chair won't do much against a bomb, and this happened in the hallway, not many chairs around to protect oneself from a knife.

You guys don't realize there is a thing out there called the "black market" where criminals can get anything they want. Not all guns come from Ruger, Smith and Wesson, etc. If you're way goes into effect, we will have the War On Guns, trying to keep criminals from entering the country with firearms made in other countries, destroying homemade gun manufacturing facilities (a person skilled in metalwork and ballistics can easily make a deadly projectile-firing weapon), exactly as is going on with the War On Drugs. Needless to say, guns will NEVER be non-existant, so it makes no sense to keep them out of the hands of innocent, law-abiding citizens.
 
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Selected Related Reposts Of Mine

Tue Mar 06, 2001 12:41 pm

Here are several reposts of mine from earlier. They pertain to this set of issues very well. Read carefully please.

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MORALITY TODAY

I realize you cannot legislate morality. I agree with that 100 percent. Yes, saying things like "Thou shall be moral" is foolish, but other things can be done. We have to get back to our roots and become more civil and moral. Throughout recent history our society has continually loosened its moral bonds until we have arrived at the 'everything goes' attitudes of today. This loosening simply has to be reversed. Let me say that this will be a difficult task, but our society MUST put common sense and civility forefront of today's efforts nationwide. It will be harder to fight then any war. We must have an awakening or things will continue to go downhill. Would you agree on that?

First of all, I do not have all the answers on this. We could start by looking at our past and seeing what worked when. I am not talking about slavery, segregation, etc etc. What I am talking about is how families "worked" and how people responded to each other, how neighbors responded to each other. We must explore the brotherhood that existed between friends. We must look back to look forward. I think common sense plays a big issue in this. In today's society there is this idea that we must be politically correct all the time. Remember (or hear) of a time when everything wasn't regulated, and was NOT tied up by the government's beaucracy, and forthere DID NOT destroy personal responsibility? All laws leave some people out. Without this over regulation, people were not excessively left out by 'red tape crafted divisions'. All of this ties into morality. I think people have become less responsible. Seeing the increased role of government in everyday life, too many parents have dedicated the government to educate their child. Less time is spent with each other. Less of that famous 'bonding time', less family cohesiveness, less family traditions. What has filled the void from the absence of this ever-so-valuable time? Media has filled the gap. This includes everything from TV, movies, video games, music, etc etc. Afterall the media is led by people who grew up without knowing what is right or wrong, just like the people watching it. You now have a society in which few know what is right and wrong because this cycle continues on faster and faster. Believe it or not, I believe there was a time that had universal morals. These include lots of small things, but they are what consisted of the moral foundation we have lost. These small things include street manners, table manners, specific courtesies each directed toward men and women, clothing courtesies, trustworthiness (ever hear of the time when a handshake was worth more than a signature?), a respect of each others doings and business, the Golden Rule, spoken courtesies...the list goes on and on. It is not the media's fault only, they are only the most visable layer. WE, and I repeat WE, the society, are the ones that tolerated or even let the media do something questionable to begin with. WE are the ones that watch and listen to their programs, WE are the ones who give them money, WE are the ones who failed to voice our concerns on something they were airing, etc etc. Now, in a society that has evolved to which 'everything goes', Hollywood doesn't think twice about showing negatively-influencing movies, or the record companies and singers (especially rap, rock, etc...) don't think twice about recording songs about things like getting your girlfriend pregnant and driving the car off the bridge while she's screaming in the trunk--things like that. What's even worse is that, like I said earlier, WE let it happen, we, as a society, do not have enough balls to say Enough is a Enough!!!!! Afterall, it would be politically incorrect (going back to what I said earlier) and might offend someone right?? How does all this tie into guns? WE, as a society, would rather blame something inhuman. Right now, we would rather blame something that merely indicates the state of ourselves. For decades we have been slipping down the path of neglecting our present and future moral foundation. We are right now getting a taste of what that neglect has reaped. Right now we would rather blame an object--the gun, something we have made for five centuries--for our own irresponsibility.

We must first realize what must be done in order to fix the problems. I do believe the best way to restore civility is to start with yourself. Me included, I am a part of society. As evident on these forums, I do not always conduct myself in a civil manner. I admit, its easy to get off on tangent with someone when you are merely typing to some faceless screen. After you have started with yourself, start with others. Importantly, set examples. Not only one, but many. In today's society where anything new and anything different someone is doing gets attention, it is especially important to set good, moral examples. Others just might try it. Also, importantly, do not tolerate immorality in society. Spend time with your family--and continue to do so, go somewhere quiet everyday, relax, use manners, write your legislators on this very issue, take your family vacation, eat together, etc etc, the list is long and varied.

The main point is that it is OUR fault for letting society be in the condition it is in now. WE need to be more self-responsible. Guns, and other tools, are 'only' indicators of how bad our society is. Banning them will not help. It may or may not affect crime rates, but, either or, things will continue to degrade if we continue to foolishly neglect the essence and base of our moral foundation. I believe our Founding Fathers had a pretty good idea of what was right and wrong. Many of their truths were expressed in our Constitution and Federalist Papers. Why was there very few, if any, mass-murderers back then? Why was there so few unmarried mothers and fathers? Why was their little public violence? Why was there so little general hatred? Why was there so little deceit? Why were there so few broken families? {all this with guns in every household} Why?....because society--the people and communities themselves--simply DID NOT tolerate immorality and its beginnings back then, and WE shouldn't now! Looking at our past is the way to light our future.

-dgpilot
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GUNS, AND THE DEATH PENALTY

Innocent people always die....you will never solve the problem. Just like there will always be poor people.

Our Constitution says that the people have the right to bear arms. Whether it is for defense against a tyranny or defense against invaders, either reasons outweigh any marginal decrease or increase of the crime rate caused from banning guns. Some of us seem to be overlooking that in favor of shorter term visions.....

If anything needs to be regulated right now, it is not guns....

Maybe a one-way ticket to the lethal injection room for anyone that murders or commits other serious crimes will provide a deterrent after the gangs see their memberships plummet.... Do you think this would work, even if YOU see it inhumane? I bet it would. It sure cleaned the Old West up quick.

You cannot argue that the deterrent does not work today BECAUSE the threat of being given a quick death penalty is so low, criminals do not even worry about it. However, if you guarenteed a quick death for anyone that does something like the other day near Boston, maybe they would think twice about killing or raping.

-dgpilot
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REGULATION FANATICS AND FOLLIES

Well, using YOUR logic....we better also ban these to have a safer soctiey:

Cars
Airplanes
Swimming
Sky diving
Skiing
Boating
Walking
Aspirin
Snowmobiling
Diving
Snokeling
Cough Drops
Rollerblading
Trampolines
Sledding
Hockey
Football
Soccer
Rugby
Golf
Mountain climbing
Trains
Bicycles
Ice fishing
Sun bathing
Skating
Bungee jumping
parasailing
Auto racing
etc etc etc......


(AND forgive me Iainhol for reposting this next part, it was just part of my original post, so I thought I should include it for the sake of my writing's structural integrity)

Iainhol said:
""I do not care, if more people die from bicycles then by their own gun. But does not take a genius to figure out if you do not have a gun, there is no way you will be shot by it. And if more people are like you then there are less guns, and less people being accidentally shot!""

So I guess in order to save a few lives we should ban everything that could possibly cause a death right Iainhol???????????

Sorry, but I do not need protected from myself. Neither should anyone else.

Ever heard of Darwin's Law? lol

-dgpilot
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DEATH PENALTY TIDBIT

Anyway, I really don't care what is worse to the serial killer, I still think the death penalty is the best deterrent. These killers that are executed usually have not only killed once, they have killed several times, even while in prison. There becomes a time when our system gets exhausted of all alternatives and simply must execute a murderer. Often, by taking their life there is a good chance we are saving an innocent person's life.

-dgpilot
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Thank you all, and have a nice day......


 
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RE: Selected Related Reposts Of Mine

Tue Mar 06, 2001 1:23 pm

DeltaRNOmd-80, those innocent, law-biding citizens you speak of can become murderers with the pull of a trigger, why take that chance?

And did any of the students at this school, who were armed to the tee (as per the Republican dream) step in to stop this? Hmmm, your ideas work well, now don't they!
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RE: Idontwanttogotoschooltomorrow!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 1:43 pm

I would rather have crazy people with baseball bats then crazy people with guns. You can't outrun bullets, nor can you use a 3-ring binder to shield yourself of them. The only way you can protect yourself from one is with another gun. It is now simply a matter of who pulls the trigger first.
I don't think I would be able to take anyone's life, even a mass-murderer. I just can't fathom taking that descision.
 Crying
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RE: Idontwanttogotoschooltomorrow!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 1:50 pm

for those of you who are students out there, you still have a greater chance of winning the lottery than getting shot in school. maybe its time for the metal detectors.. thats what they do at airports these days...not that I think thats really a great idea.. or maybe therewill just be some legislation declaring schools to be "gun free zones" ... yeah that'll work.  Insane
 
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RE: Selected Related Reposts Of Mine

Tue Mar 06, 2001 1:59 pm

"""And did any of the students at this school, who were armed to the tee (as per the Republican dream) step in to stop this? Hmmm, your ideas work well, now don't they!"""

IF the fellow students had a gun handy ON THEM, I'm sure they would have. That is what makes schools such a wonderful place to pull something like this off in-- there is absolutely nothing that is going to stop the killer. No one has guns in school, except the criminals like in this case, so why in the world would the killer need to even worry about other people stepping in? Duh!! He wouldn't! This same scenario applies to our whole society as well. If no one has guns, who is going to check who? Afterall, no one could step in to stop a killer or a tyrant.

I know positively that if another student just happened to have a gun handy, the outcome would be much different, and for the better. Not to mention, the murderer would not ever kill again.

Thanks Nuts for stimulating a good point. HA HA.

Before certain people freak out, I am not advocating letting kids bring guns to school. I was using that school/scenario as an example, or rather a model, to illustrate how an unarmed society is helpless at the mercy of criminals and tyrants.
 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 2:03 pm

This shooting really struck a chord with me because it happened only a few miles from where I go to school. When it happens in your own backyard there is always something more to it.

This shooting is beggining to look like most of the others...for one thing the kid was picked on often, which probably led to some unconscious snap in his head that led him to do this. There are most likely other factors that contributed to the shooting, like the possible lax authority that this kid's parents may have had over him, or the relative inability of our public school system to accurately identify and try to help so-called "problem students" who are susceptible to becoming as crazed as this kid probably was at the time of the shooting.

What is really frightening is that the kid was smiling as the carnage was going on...there must have been some serious things going awry in his head.

My condolences to the families of the victims.

Aaron G.
 
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DelteRNOmd-80, DG_pilot

Tue Mar 06, 2001 2:07 pm

I know there are not many chairs in halls, I am just saying that you can protect yourself against someone with a knife, whereas with a gun, you are defensless.

DG_Pilot:
You seem to forget that in most European countries, guns are illegal, and they do not have many problems with the black markets. Anyway, the point is to get guns away from criminals that could harm people with guns. People like this 15 year old. The really serious criminals will always find ways to get guns, but this will only be a select few. Only the really organized and advanced criminals, not the little petty robbers and school shooters.
 
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RE: DG-Pilot

Tue Mar 06, 2001 2:13 pm

DG- Pilot your point is very well taken. Here in NYC the Mayor tried to have the Police Dept have access and supervise the school security..but this was determined to be out of the question by the fuzzy-thinking powers that be: The result -- while NYC murders went down to lows not seen since 1963 ..and quickly the city became the safest big city in the US - way ahead of Atlanta, Chicago, Miami etc.. the schools became more dangerous.
 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 2:21 pm

"Only the really organized and advanced criminals"

There you have it, the police would not guns either (as in most European countries) and the "really organized and advanced criminals" and crime families will wreak havoc on the innocent, who of course will be defenseless.
 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 2:24 pm

So how about giving the police guns, and making it illegal for citizens to have them?

Aaron G.
 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 2:30 pm

When people are determined to kill they will use anything they can to get the job done, so gun control is not the answer!
 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 2:35 pm

Well I don't think there is much worse than a student mowing down 15 students with a semiautomatic weapon (hypothetical statement)...I would rather they not be as openly available to him as they are.

Aaron G.
 
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RE: School Shooting In Callifornia!

Tue Mar 06, 2001 2:37 pm

>I know positively that if another student just happened to have a gun handy, the outcome would be much different, and for the better. Not to mention, the murderer would not ever kill again.


I was just thinking about this earlier. If it was legal for me to carry my .38 Special on campus, you bet I would. Of course, I would do it in the safest manner. When I turn 21, I'm getting my concealed weapons permit and one of those shoulder gun strap thingys. Because I am a responsible gun owner.
Know why? I am more scared about accidentally shooting someone than scared about being shot by someone else. With that mindset, you can be very safe.
 
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N766AS

Tue Mar 06, 2001 2:40 pm

Yeah, I agree. Me too!

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