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Foot And Mouth Disease

Fri Mar 16, 2001 6:29 pm

Anyone in here live close to a pyre of burning cows?? Ireland has claimed the UK as being " the Lepar of Europe" do you think this is justified?
BTW I just wish to say Good Luck to all the farmers in Britain going through this, especially in Cumbria and Dumfries and Galloway where the disease is worst.
What do you guys think of this disease.
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RE: Foot And Mouth Disease

Fri Mar 16, 2001 6:37 pm

I'd say that there seems to be something definately wrong with the farming/livestock raising practices in Great Britain. If you look at the number of incidents of Mad Cow Disease compared with the rest of the world, and now the latest epidemic, it should be clear that something is wrong, whether it is a regulatory problem or something else, I don't know - I don't follow it that much. But certainly will be a vegitarian whenever I visit the UK.

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RE: Foot And Mouth Disease

Fri Mar 16, 2001 9:57 pm

Charles Foot and Mouth and Mad cow desiese are very different!

BSE (mad cow desiese) is probably all over the world consider the practice of grinding up sheep bones and feeding it to cows was not only done in the UK, but all of Europe and the US. We have taken measures to ensure that these practices do no happen, and that out meat is safe!

It is thought foot and mouth came about because some one feed a pig some meat. Foot and Mouth does not effect people (because we do not have hoofs). However I think the goverment has gone from very lax, to do far to much with there new plan announced yesterday!
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RE: Foot And Mouth Disease

Fri Mar 16, 2001 10:10 pm

The UK may well be the 'leper' of Europe, but Ireland is the 'beggar' considering all the money it has been given.

As for the outbreaks, Foot and Mouth is a virus which was brought in from overseas and is transmitted easily amongst animals regardless of if they live in a swamp or in Buckingham Palace. As such, this outbreak was unavoidable.

Interestingly, Foot and Mouth is like flu - the animals get sick for a couple of weeks then they return to normal. Only the milk yield goes down. In this context, slaughtering them in their millions shows one of the nasty sides of human nature - profits come first. Thus, it is easy to see how corners may have been cut to save costs, but this is a global situation, not just the UK.

Where the UK has been wrong is its arrogance, sending infected meat overseas and thinking of itself first - finally blaming the anti-British French and Germans for banning our products.
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RE: Foot And Mouth Disease

Sat Mar 17, 2001 12:13 am

Foot and Mouth disease is a little more severe than that, Ryan. You don't just get a fever, some blisters in uncomfortable places and then in a few weeks everything is magically fine. FMD can be fatal to young/weak animals, and those that survive are often debilitated. The animals lose considerable weight, produce less milk and abortions do occur. If the problem isn't dealt with, secondary infections are frequent.

The virus can survive for relatively long periods of time in the air, in food and garbage, and even in hides, hair, and wool, so measures for controlling the disease are necessarily rigorous. The only real way to control the disease is by killing the infected animals, burning their carcasses and then cleaning the affected areas.

I'm not sure if the latest moves by the UK are overkill or not, mainly because I don't know what they are (bloody bbc website down as usual). Anyway, I don't think it's unusual for a government to under-react and then move to a plan that might be considered "overkill." Exaggerated moves are just a poltical tactic.

And yes, it does all come down to money, not the animals. We aren't that far away from a vaccine, but of course, the cost to immunize would be far too high.
 
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RE: Foot And Mouth Disease

Sat Mar 17, 2001 1:35 am

To clarify on the Mad Cow Disease (BSE), it has been cause by using animal byproducts in feed for sheep and cattle. This has been banned in the United States for over 30 years. Accordingly, there are no BSE infected cows in the US and there never will be.

As for Foot and Mouth Disease, I am told that there is a vaccine for the disease, but that it is not approved for use in the EU. Does anybody know why that is?
 
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RE: Foot And Mouth Disease

Sat Mar 17, 2001 1:55 am

But then again, we don't pump our cattle full of hormones like you do in the US, so I guess you guys will get other problems.
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RE: Foot And Mouth Disease

Sat Mar 17, 2001 8:19 am

I wonder if there's any point to all these measures at the airports. I mean all it does is reduce the chance of foot and mouth being transmitted. There's really no sure way of preventing it.


If they ask " have you been on a farm," how many people are actually going to say yes, knowing it will mean a search???
 
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RE: Foot And Mouth Disease

Sun Mar 18, 2001 2:55 pm

 
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RE: Foot And Mouth Disease

Sun Mar 18, 2001 4:25 pm

I am currently watching the news and they say that there is a new product on the market called Vircon X, it apparently kills foot and mouth disease, I guess its a powder that when mixed with water, turns to a soap and you scrub it on things and it kills the disease. They also said if foot and mouth disease reaches the US, the losses would be in the billions!
 
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RE: Foot And Mouth Disease

Sun Mar 18, 2001 6:35 pm

You have one person to blame:

Count Thatchula...

Ignorant and regressive de-regulation of the intense farming industries of Europe has set in place an ecological and farming nightmare.

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RE: Foot And Mouth Disease

Sun Mar 18, 2001 8:23 pm

feeding cows with sheep bone wheat is sick - I didn't believe what were they doing when I first heard them -
in Croatia it is unconcievavle to give cows anything else than plants

I wouldn't also exclued the possibility of foot-and-mouth disease virus been used (or beeing used in future) as a biological weapon intended to destabilyze economy of affected country
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RE: Foot And Mouth Disease

Mon Mar 19, 2001 5:14 am

I'm heading to France on Friday, do you think I'll encounter any problems? Either while there or on the way back at customs or such.
 
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RE: Foot And Mouth Disease

Mon Mar 19, 2001 8:20 am

Yes there is a vaccine for Foot and Mouth, 11 (i think) of them. And adminstering all 11 vaccines to each animal would be far to expensive to even consider and that is why they are not used (altough i beleive they do elswhere in europe). So basically its us putting profits before life. Its the way the world works  Sad.

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RE: Foot And Mouth Disease

Mon Mar 19, 2001 8:37 am

Vircon X isnt a vaccine, its a "soap" that gets the disease off of things coming into the US, such as shoes, clothing, etc. On the news clip, they showed it being scrubbed on the bottom of a shoe. Vircon X will be used in airport security operations.
 
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RE: Foot And Mouth Disease

Mon Mar 19, 2001 9:34 pm

Here in Norway, they closed all the boarders and started searching every person crossing it for meat and dairy products. If they find anything, they throw it away. No imported meat or milk products are allowed into Norway. Thank god we have enough meat and milk here.

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RE: Foot And Mouth Disease

Mon Mar 19, 2001 9:59 pm

in Croatia there are barriers at borders
only those animal products that were treated thermicaly are allowed to be imported
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RE: Foot And Mouth Disease

Sat Mar 24, 2001 2:43 pm

European Union veterinary experts have given the go-ahead for the limited use of vaccines to help the Netherlands fight foot-and-mouth disease.


http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/03/23/foot.and.mouth.03/index.html

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RE: Foot And Mouth Disease

Sat Mar 24, 2001 8:42 pm

Hehe, great picture of Mr.Tony.  Smile


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