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Gore Won By 3 Votes

Wed Apr 25, 2001 2:08 am


Here we go again, I know some of you are going to hate me for bringing up this never ending story time and again (so do I), but I think you might find this interesting:

The leading German newspaper reported this: if all votes in the districts in question had been recounted with the strictest standards (i.e. clearly punched or invalid), Gore would have won by 3 votes. If the most lenient standards had been applied, Bush´s lead would have gone to slightly over 1000.

Interesting, huh?

Daniel Smile
 
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RE: Gore Won By 3 Votes

Wed Apr 25, 2001 2:16 am

I don't think we'll ever REALLY know who won the election. All I know is that we are stuck with Bush for four years.
 
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RE: Gore Won By 3 Votes

Wed Apr 25, 2001 3:02 am

That's a funny system of elections you've got there, huh? When the voter's intention is no longer 100% clear, or the ballot papers are not easy to mark, the system is screwed up.

I hope this election will bring about some changes in voting...

Regards

Ikarus
 
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RE: Gore Won By 3 Votes

Wed Apr 25, 2001 6:56 am

Whenever did they report this? This was news like about 2-3 weeks ago... possibly more. We've got Bush, he seems to be doing perfectly fine. And everyone can keep their opinions to theirselves as I don't really care Big grin

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RE: Gore Won By 3 Votes

Wed Apr 25, 2001 7:08 am

What does a German Newspaper know??? Not sure they can figure it out if nobody else can.
 
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RE: Gore Won By 3 Votes

Wed Apr 25, 2001 7:38 am

It doesn't really matter now, unfortunately. We're stuck with a monkey up there.
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RE: Gore Won By 3 Votes

Wed Apr 25, 2001 7:43 am

All I know is I am SOO glad Gore didn't win!
 
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RE: Gore Won By 3 Votes

Wed Apr 25, 2001 7:51 am

I wanted Gore to win, he was really cheated in this election.
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RE: Gore Won By 3 Votes

Wed Apr 25, 2001 8:00 am

Right on DeltaRNOmd-80!

-Tom
 
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RE: Gore Won By 3 Votes

Wed Apr 25, 2001 8:51 am

Right on King767 and DeltaRNOMd-80! Gore should be a High School teacher instead.

Here's Gore as president:

"Now, for our daily review. Please open your history book to page 356, oh, and I'm very disapointed in last week's pop quiz, Idaho, I'm looking in your direeeeection, blah blah blah, yada yada yada."

Saw it on SNL.

LOL!
 
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RE: Gore Won By 3 Votes

Wed Apr 25, 2001 10:13 am

Are we still arguing about this?  Insane

What my local newspaper reported was that Bush would still have won the election even if the most leniant standards were used to count all of the ballots. The paper said his lead would have grown as well. This is a very Democratic paper reporting this too.

I am very glad that Bush won, but now we have to put up with 'Thats My Bush.' It looks so stupid, but that is just my opinion.
 
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RE: Gore Won By 3 Votes

Wed Apr 25, 2001 1:13 pm

>Gore should be a High School teacher instead

NOOOOOO!! Then the unfortunate teen-age souls at his school would have to be subject to leftist propaganda! The school system is messed up enough without having someone like him in it...
 
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RE: Gore Won By 3 Votes

Wed Apr 25, 2001 1:49 pm

Doesn’t matter who won.

The losers are the people of the United States, democracy, decency, integrity, the environment and civility


Recess with be over in 4 years.
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RE: Gore Won By 3 Votes

Wed Apr 25, 2001 10:22 pm

superfly,
agree with you minus the , errrr, actually on all counts - i guess you forgot the peace process in the middle east, between the koreas and cross taiwan straits relations

 
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RE: Gore Won By 3 Votes

Thu Apr 26, 2001 3:55 am

I dont think we need a GERMAN newspaper making up figures just to boost their readership. Probably some German TABLOID. I would like to go back in time to see what it would be like if Gore won. Ever see the "Outer Limits" ?? It would be four more years of socialism (American Style) with sky high taxes, NO cars, and the white house would continue to be "The Love Shack".

The only LOSERS here are the losers in the United States that need to learn to LET go, because nobody is listening to you anymore. (kinda like Jesse Jackson).

Democracy? I thought the U.S. wasnt a "democracy", but a "Constitutional Republic".

Decency? Who couldnt keep it zipped up in the white house?

Integrity? Bush restored integrity to the damaged White House. Your outgoing Clinton's integrity was "questionable".

The Enviroment? Im not seeing any natural disasters... Bush hasnt even changed any Klinton policies yet.

Civility? Im not seeing any riots.

You liberals are WAAAAAAAAY to out in left field with the Kindergarteners and Altzimers patients.
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RE: Gore Won By 3 Votes

Thu Apr 26, 2001 4:07 am

N312RC:

"You liberals are WAAAAAAAAY to out in left field with the Kindergarteners and Altzimers patients."


Yeah, right on from someone who dared to use the word "chink."
 
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RE: Gore Won By 3 Votes

Thu Apr 26, 2001 5:09 am

N312RC,

Just a few observations from a European...

'It would be four more years of socialism (American Style) '

What exactly is it that's so bad about socialism? It has worked perfectly fine in Europe for decades. Oh, and before you jump me: please DO NOT confuse socialism an communism, they're quite a bit different...

'...sky high taxes'

You have some of the lowest taxes in the Western world over there...

'NO cars': HUH?!?!?!? Would you care to explain?

'and the white house would continue to be "The Love Shack".

Now that's just low, and too ridiculous to waste more time on.

'The Enviroment? Im not seeing any natural disasters'

Let me get this clear... You're saying that a decision made by Bush TODAY should have visible results on the environment... TODAY ????? Mwuhahahahahahahaha!!!!! You're kidding, right?

Maybe that's one of the problems of many republicans (and I'm generalizing here, much like you): shortsightedness.
 
N312RC
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RE: Gore Won By 3 Votes

Thu Apr 26, 2001 5:35 am

Tupolev,

Got my point across, didnt it? And dont try to turn this conversation around on me. Stick to the discussion, buddy.

Juul,

Thats the problem, this ISNT EUROPE. Americans are NOTHING like Europeans.

Well, he had to be able to satisfy Greenpeace. Why not lie to them and tell them that we will "drastically" cut emissions from cars and factories. Yeah right, in one of the most industrialized nations in the world. Just another promise that Al Gore couldnt keep if he tried. Maybe in his mind, where he sees a "Green Utopia" complete with little furry creatures.

Talk about shortsightedness, look at Canada's healthcare system in crisis.

BTW, Communism is one step forward from socialism.


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Juul

Thu Apr 26, 2001 7:01 am

I couldn't agree more! Only in America could an idiot like Bush be elected as president.

And one question. Why do you republicans associate Gore with lying and having affairs. Clinton was the one who got head in the oval office, not Gore. Let's get that straight.
 
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RE: Gore Won By 3 Votes

Thu Apr 26, 2001 7:48 am

At least one liberal is willing to admit that Clinton lied and had an affair.

Juul, the reason you think we have some of the world's lowest taxes is because in Europe and other socialist governments, they tax their citizens to DEATH. Here in the states, most level headed people don't want to pay for some bum on the street (thats what makes this country great), if he won't get a job, thats fine, he can sleep in the gutter for all I care.
 
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DeltaRNOmd-80

Thu Apr 26, 2001 11:25 am

Keep in mind that in Socialist countries, the government takes care of more of the expenses of their citizens, for example health care. Doesn't mean that I support Socialism, so don't jump on me.

And yes, no one can deny that Clinton is a sick guy...

N312RC, no I don't and I don't care to understand your often times offensive personal attacks. As for your following statements:

"I would like to go back in time to see what it would be like if Gore won. Ever see the "Outer Limits" ?? It would be four more years of socialism (American Style) with sky high taxes, NO cars"

Ignorance... Well, apparently since the majority of the American public doesn't think so, how can you predict that that will occur?

"and the white house would continue to be "The Love Shack"."

Ever heard about not being to debate things that make absolutely no sense? Therefore, I will abstain from saying anything.

"Bush hasnt even changed any Klinton policies yet"

Ignorance comes into play again, eh? How about the elimination of new arsenic standards? Doesn't that constitute a policy change (an anti-environmental one)? His refusal to use the recommendations of the ABA that has been long recognized for its impartiality, due to the fact that they are "too liberal?" What is going to be next then? One day, will it be decided that it is unconstitutional to be a "chink" and that all "chinks" must be eliminated?

"Civility? Im not seeing any riots."

Ignorance, ignorance, ignorance. Wasn't it not long ago that the Cincinnati riots took place?

One more thing, don't think that you will ever get away with your use of the offensive racial slur.

Tupolev154B2
 
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RE: Gore Won By 3 Votes

Thu Apr 26, 2001 11:52 am

I don't really care. Bush hasn't declared war, he hasn't totally ruined the economy (leave that to the fed), and Cheney isn't dead. Can't we just forget about it and keep your wrath toward the other side to yourself until the next election?
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Just Want To Add A Bit

Thu Apr 26, 2001 11:02 pm

Keep in mind that in Socialist countries, the government takes care of more of the expenses of their citizens, for example health care. Doesn't mean that I support Socialism, so don't jump on me.

Yes, but did you know, that most Canadian citizens who need serious treatment come to U.S. for it. It's just an example of how state run agencys are not as strong. Did you know that in Denmark, the government pays for your vacation? Of course through taxes, but why would I want the government to finance my vacation through taxes. It's an example of how Europeans are different in that aspect, and how totally different it is here.


Ignorance, ignorance, ignorance. Wasn't it not long ago that the Cincinnati riots took place?

How is this tied to Bush? A riot could have well occured here from the Diallo shooting during Klintons time.

-Tom



 
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RE: Gore Won By 3 Votes

Thu Apr 26, 2001 11:10 pm

I'll vouch for the Canadians heading south of the border for medical care.

My grandparents have had relatives do exactly that and stay with them on more then one occasion.


And considering the plethora(spl?? hey it is four in the morning for me) of articles that I keep seeing in the Toronto Star regarding the lack of doctors and nurses, and that whole thing about socialized medicine is a little overdrawn.

That whole thing with the kid who died after the ambulance refused to transport didn't help either. Especially when you consider that they called the emergency line twice and they second time got reprimaded by they crew for tying them up!!!
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RE: N312RC

Thu Apr 26, 2001 11:51 pm

Robert,

>>> I dont think we need a GERMAN newspaper making up figures just to boost their readership. Probably some German TABLOID.

To hear that from someone who doesn´t even have a real national newspaper...
if you´d have read my original post accurately, you´d have realised I was talking about THE leading German newspaper. They don´t make news, they report them.

>>> and the white house would continue to be "The Love Shack".

You can say about Gore what you want, but his moral integrity is out of question. Remember what your "president" did during the Viet Nam War.

Daniel Smile
 
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RE: Gore Won By 3 Votes

Thu Apr 26, 2001 11:58 pm

Al "Ozone Man" Gore is the kind of person who would support requirements such as electric cars in California, but would repress plans on new power plants for that state. Where you you think the electricity for those cars will come from? Unfortunately, the technology to turn politicians' hot air into electricity has not yet been discovered.

Tupolev154B2,

Clinton's arsenic-reduction order was premature, coming 5 or 6 years before it is to be implemented. Usually time for such standards to be implemented is about 4 years. All Bush said was that there is time to study the impact and still keep to the original schedule, if it is merited. No negative environmental impact.

Back to N312RC's question of what would the world be like with Mr. Gore in charge.

He and his Clinton holdovers like Albright would have bent over backwards apologizing to the Chinese over the EP-3 incident. The result would have been that the Chinese would hold that over our heads during trade negotiations, plus they would probably have won a promise from the U.S. not to conduct any more survailance on them, making Taiwan a little more nervous. The Chinese are not stupid (I disagree with a few posters here on that score. They are very cunning and very smart at the international relations game.

Did you witness the treatment the Chinese gave the U.S. after the Belgrade embassy bombing in 1999? The U.S. apologized immediately (as they should have in that case - it was a serious dumbass mistake), but the Chinese dragged it out as far as they could. The apology turned into a humiliating grovel for forgiveness. The Chinese president refused to accept Clinton's repeated daily calls to apologize personally for a week. When he finally did take the call, Clinton was on the point of begging, even telling Jiang that if the apology is accepted, the U.S. would put its full weight behind China's attempts to join the WTO. Meanwhile, the Chinese government were busing in protestors to the U.S. embassy for "spontaneous" anti-U.S. demonstrations. After a month, a high level delegation from the U.S. went to China to offer further apologies, and provide the Chinese with details of the investigation as to why the incident occured. The Chinese basically threw it back in their faces.

I'm not saying that China did anything wrong. They did not. They know how the game is played. The rules are simple: gain as much for yourself as you can. The bombing opened the door for them to get the U.S. to lean over backwards with all kinds of concessions. I would have done the same thing in their position. This is the big league, folks. Clinton and his administration showed themselves to be complete asslickers, and fell right into the trap. Another aspect of Chinese culture is that not only is gaining or losing face very important, but they despise those who lose face. Clinton lost just about every ounce of respect the Chinese had for the U.S..

Bush very wisely did not repeat the mistake. He offered his regrets and condolences to the family of the pilot who died (by his own fault), but no apology. China took 10 days to figure out that this was not another Clinton (read: Gore), and that they had nothing more to gain by keeping the crew, because Bush was not about to back down.

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RE: Gore Won By 3 Votes

Fri Apr 27, 2001 12:42 am

Cfalk, I am putting you on my respected users list!

You are totally right!
It's good to have like minded conservatives here including myself.
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DeltaRNOmd-80

Fri Apr 27, 2001 2:09 am

'Juul, the reason you think we have some of the world's lowest taxes is because in Europe and other socialist governments, they tax their citizens to DEATH. Here in the states, most level headed people don't want to pay for some bum on the street (thats what makes this country great), if he won't get a job, thats fine, he can sleep in the gutter for all I care.'

Okay, let's take a hypothetical situation. You're a hard working factory worker, with low schooling (cause your parents couldn't pay for college). One day you're diagnosed with cancer. Luckily, this cancer can be cured. However, the treatment will be very expensive, and since you don't make enough money to get on a good health insurance, you have to pay for most of the treatment yourself. Now, since we're in an economic downturn, your company decides to lay off some people. Since you've been absent quite a few times lately (due to your illness) they decide to lay you off.

With the cancer treatment costing you heaps of money, and the burden of supporting your family, this means you're financially ruined. You can no longer pay the loan for your house, so you end up on the street, with nowhere to go. Is that the 'bum in the street' you were referring to? If it is, I feel very sorry for you...

That's the American situation. Now what would happen in Europe?

Since you have good health insurance (madatory in Belgium, and the same for everybody, you pay according to how much money you earn), the cancer treatment will be a lot cheaper. When loosing your job, the government will still pay you enough to support your family while you're recovering, and will even help you looking for a new job, if you want them to. If you don't want them to, they'll force you to go to job applications after a while.

Now, I'm not saying that the system we have here is perfect (there are people abusing the system, unfortunately), but man, it sure beats the crap out of the 'every man for himself' attitude a lot of Americans seem to have.

Greetings Big grin
 
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RE: Gore Won By 3 Votes

Fri Apr 27, 2001 3:49 am

The government isnt paying anything Juul, the taxpayers are. I cant believe it.
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King767

Fri Apr 27, 2001 4:33 am

Well then how are all of the riots during the Clinton presidency tied to Clinton? Obviously N312RC's argument about civility under the Bush presidency in the form of no riots is completely baseless and even ignorance. The only thing that he is using it for is to prop up his favorite guy.

Cfalk, I agree with your statement about China asking for concessions from Clinton and him being so willing to give it to them, which is no surprise considering how he loved to kiss China's *ss all the time.
 
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RE: Gore Won By 3 Votes

Fri Apr 27, 2001 9:23 pm

N312RC,

I think we all know the government is the taxpayer...

BTW, what is it you can't believe?

Greetings Big grin
 
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RE: Gore Won By 3 Votes

Sat Apr 28, 2001 11:24 am

Hairyass now i need to put you on my respected users list! And why do we refer gore to lying. Let me clear my throat here, mmmhmhmhm "I invented the internet" yes my fellow americans i have single handedly invented the internet.
 
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RE: Gore Won By 3 Votes

Mon Apr 30, 2001 6:38 pm

What do the Germans know about this?  Insane
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