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Olympics 2008 For China?

Sat Apr 28, 2001 2:59 pm

Who should to your opinion be privileged to receive the great honor of hosting the 2008 Olympics ?

Do you agree with the host being China ?

What do you think about Olympics in general ?

What has mostly affected or impressed you whilst attending / watching / participating Olympics ?

For me, I can say, that I was greatly touched, when both North and South Korea walked proudly into the stadium, hand in hand .
 
Trvlr
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RE: Olympics 2008 For China?

Sat Apr 28, 2001 3:36 pm

I think that Beijing is very capable of hosting a successful Olympic games. This partly comes from the fact that the PRC has a very strong government (i.e. one that is in control and can do pretty outlandish things by western standards without much fear of real retribution by the people), and can pretty easily whip Beijing into shape for an even such as The Games. I was in Beijing during the 50th Anniversary of the Communist Republic in China, and I must say Beijing was not all that bad. For starters, the government banned ALL diesel trucks from the main roadways in Beijing, which alleviated traffic snarls and went a long way towards cleaning up the HORRIBLE air that they have in Beijing. The central part of the city, as well as many public buildings, were also beautified in some way to make everything look more elegant. There are also many things to do in and around the Beijing area, like the Forbidden City, Summer Palace, Tiananmen Square, Great Wall, etc. The airport also has a new terminal and there is plenty of space to grow.

However, even though when Beijing looked somewhat nice during the 50th anniversary celebrations, that still does not hide the fact that the rest of the city is pretty much a dump. Dirty buildings, empty lots, lots with demolished buildings, unclean/traffic clogged streets (with cars driving on them that have ZERO emissions standards; it is hell having to breathe the fumes during a traffic jam), horrible pollution, terrible overcrowding, even unsafe and shoddy construction of public buildings, the list goes on and on. My conclusion: Mainland China is a new and extremely interesting place to visit if you are the average Western tourist, and would probably appeal to many people if they experienced it during the Olympics. However, it was not in my view someplace that I would like to go back to visit very often, and may leave a bad taste in the mouths of many more visitors than some of the other contending cities would.

Therefore, If I had the choice, I would not hold the 2008 Olympics in Beijing. I am sure the government could and would make a spectacular effort and go a very long way towards making the city beautiful and as accomodating as possible, but I feel that Toronto, Paris, or Osaka venues for the Olympics would be much more successful. Personally, my vote would go to Toronto, with Paris a close second, only because I'd like the Olympics to change continents every time they are held.

On July 13, the IOC will select one city to host the 2008 Olympic Games, out of 5 candidates: Toronto, Paris, Beijing, Istanbul, and Osaka. The competition is fierce, as Beijing lost the 2000 Olympics by only one vote. It shall be interesting to see what happens...

Aaron G.
 
watewate
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RE: Olympics 2008 For China?

Sat Apr 28, 2001 3:36 pm

Being a Toronto resident, I don't see why Toronto can't do a good job hosting the 2008 Olympics. With all the port lands available like Sydney had, the location can't be beat.
I don't know how China will fare in the end. Remember that Sydney and Atlanta were underdogs going into the final votings.
It also comes down to IOC presidential race as well. If Dick Pound wants the job badly enough and campaigns hard for it, Olympics will probably end up being hosted at anywhere but Toronto.
And US isn't too happy with the whole spy plane incident. They just might make some noise to symbolically slap China in the face- one of the possibilities being coming out and China isn't fit to host the Olympics.

IMO, China needs to fix other problems before worrying about Olympics. Sure, Olympics gives the country an excuse to dump some money to clean up the city, but you couldn't pay me to go there in hot-hazy summer.

BRING THE GAMES TO TORONTO!
 
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RE: Olympics 2008 For China?

Sat Apr 28, 2001 4:39 pm

I think Beijing is doing what it possibly can to get the Olympics. And if it fails, and I think it would, they'll just apply for the 2012 games, and it they don't get it, they'll apply for the 2016 games. This is one of the most distinctive characteristic of the Chinese people, they want FACE!!
I think Paris is the most capable city in handling the Olympics or any other large international sports carnival. With their experience, they can put together the Olympics blind-folded! But I agree with Trvlr that the Olympics should change continents every time. So I hope Osaka or Toronto gets it. But then, with the last four (and that is 16 years) Olympics been held in western countries, I think this time Osaka deserves it!

my two cents...
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oxygen
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RE: Olympics 2008 For China?

Sat Apr 28, 2001 6:57 pm

The best thing about Beijing for the 2008 olympic games is that the people there are VERY enthusiastic about it. A lot of people, including taxi divers, or even 70 yearold old ladies, are working very hard in studying english because of that.

One thing to point out, there are 7 years ahead of the games, and a LOT can be done in the period, considering the high speed that China has changed in the recent decade. One really cannot imagine how China has changed in the last 20 years. Great difference.

Most importantly, the government is very powerful too. They can easily ban all the undesirable pollution happening there, and I have heard that the city government is busy building 5-star public toilets for tourist (EXTREMELY luxurious, with reading rooms etc, but only for tourists)

Another good thing about that is that things are very cheap in China. Sometimes things are too cheap that you won't care even if you know that you're being cheated.

Well, we'll have to wait for the final results.
 
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RE: Olympics 2008 For China?

Sat Apr 28, 2001 7:46 pm

I think that the 2008 olympics should go to Beijing.

China is fast becoming a very modern country, and certainly the Chinese I know are determined to make the 21st century the Chinese century.

Consider the Chinese performance in Sydney. They won many medals and really did well, which shows that they want to take the olympics very seriously.

And as trvlr said, when the Chinese want to make a big bang, they can do it, and very succesfully. The Chinese at my school are the hardest workers of all of us, they are very bright, very quick and soooooooo effecient.

Therfore, for a succesful olympics, 2008 should go to Beijing. Besides, Paris, Canada and Japan have had the olympics. It should go to a different country this time. And China has deserved it.

Regards - Tom  Smile
 
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RE: Olympics 2008 For China?

Sun Apr 29, 2001 3:19 am

The Chinese government is still very oppressive, and there are still numerous cases of human rights violations coming of out of China. I am not particularily in favor of economic sanctions against China, but I do not think an event such as the Olympics should be held there. I think the Chinese push their athletes WAY too hard, and this should not be encouraged. Also, I really don't think the country deserves the income the Games will bring in until they improve their foreign relations with other countries, and make significant efforts to mprove the quality of life of the proletariat.
 
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RE: Olympics 2008 For China?

Sun Apr 29, 2001 3:51 am

Although I have a strong disdain for all the anti-Chinese sentiment that exists today, I do not think they are an appropriate venue, for the human rights issues noted.


But at the same time (man I'm a confusing person!), 7 years is a long time, and bringing them to the world's attention might pave the way for changes we all want to see.

 
twa
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No Way China 2008

Sun Apr 29, 2001 7:38 am

I totally oppose China having the 2008 Olympics!!!!! They dont know how to treat their own citizens and they are little pricks when it comes to Int'l Relations.

TWA
 
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RE: Olympics 2008 For China?

Sun Apr 29, 2001 9:57 am

Sure, why not?
Money does not bring you happiness. But it's better to cry in your own private limo than on a cold bus stop.
 
johnboy
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RE: Olympics 2008 For China?

Sun Apr 29, 2001 10:23 am

Remember though, Moscow hosted the 1980 Olympics, and we all know what a stellar human rights record the Soviet Union had. So there is a precedent for holding the Olympics in a totalitarian nation.

I agree that Beijing would pay ANY price for the prestige of having the Games in China. Would it be "rewarding" China for a dubious human rights record? Or would it accelerate China's fitful strides toward some type of democracy?
 
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RE: Olympics 2008 For China?

Sun Apr 29, 2001 10:35 am

Sure, anything can happen in 7 years, but the bottom line is that little can be done between now and July when the host for the games is chosen. I want to see Olympics go to a country with decent human rights record NOW, not 7 years later.
 
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RE: Olympics 2008 For China?

Sun Apr 29, 2001 2:37 pm

Frankly, I would be very happy to see Toronto get the Olympics.
At least they don't kill people for organs in Canada!
Get your patchouli stink outta my store!
 
VirginLover
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RE: Olympics 2008 For China?

Sun Apr 29, 2001 10:16 pm

No, only because US coverage of the olympics in Sydney SUCKED, partly because of the time difference, and China's quite a jump too.  Smile
 
Sunair
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RE: Olympics 2008 For China?

Mon Apr 30, 2001 4:53 am

Spaceman

Why do you think the olympics is bullshit? I personally think it's the only event in the world that brings every nation together in a spirit of unity. Or you disagree?  Smile

VirginLover

The time difference sucked here as well, but put it this way, if the olympics went to Toronto, imagine how much the TV coverage would suck for the Chinese and the Australians?? Time...it rules the world! UGH!!!  Smile

Regards - Tom  Smile
 
spyderz
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RE: Olympics 2008 For China?

Mon Apr 30, 2001 12:59 pm

Give the Olympics to Beijing! This wouldn't give them to toronto, and give Vancouver a better shot at the 2010 Winter Olympics.
 
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RE: Olympics 2008 For China?

Mon Apr 30, 2001 3:19 pm

Um, stuff China!

Give them back to Sydney again!!

Cheers,

mb

(I think Toronto should be given the honor sooner or later, they have tried so many times..)

 
aduum
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RE: Olympics 2008 For China?

Mon Apr 30, 2001 3:46 pm

Yeah go back with SYDNEY....... by the way what did all of you international people think of the games down under?

I know that I heard the broadcaster in America stuffed up totally or something with a 24 hour time delay on some events. But besides this how were they?

I think that maybe beijing- thats if Sydney does not make a late application
hehehe
 
johnboy
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RE: Olympics 2008 For China?

Tue May 01, 2001 12:54 am

It seems to me, I read that the fees given to the IOC for exclusive broadcast rights on a US TV network (NBC for the next few years), make up a significant portion of their "Olympic budget" (pun intended).

So the moral of this story is....money talks, bullshit walks. I'm not saying that's the right way, but that's the way it is right now.
 
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RE: Olympics 2008 For China?

Sat May 05, 2001 10:34 am

NO OLYMPICS FOR CHINA UNTIL TIBET IS FREE!!

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