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Drugging Our Kids.

Mon Apr 30, 2001 5:49 am

Vafi88 got a great point in one of the posts. It seems that a lot of kids are on prozac and ritalin for imaginary diseases, like Maniacal Depression or Attention Deficite Disorder. In my opinion it's a bunch of bullsh*t. We do not need to drug our kids, we need to talk to them, and see what they want to do.

Tell me what you think.
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RE: Drugging Our Kids.

Mon Apr 30, 2001 5:59 am

I was going to start this topic!

I glad you did An-225.

I totally agree with you!
It is a shame! It is especially a problem with women. It is so common to meet women in there 20s that are so drugged up on legal drugs!
They are being marketed aggressively too. Haven't you seen the TV commercials?

Proscribing drugs for the human brain yet we still don't know everything about the brain.

As for the children, maybe they just need a proper discipline from there parents or less time on airliners.netBig grin
Some kids are just bad and some are just crazy.
This is a problem and I don't see enough effort to stop it.
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Mon Apr 30, 2001 6:12 am

Yeah, Superfly, I agree. And magazines like Time promote legal drugs too. Also, that's why there are so many birth defects in this country especially - because pregnant mothers are drugged up, and so are their kids. This is a big problem and going to last for a long time.
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Mon Apr 30, 2001 6:18 am

I think it is to calm down kids in school as there are too many students in the classes for teachers to handle!
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Mon Apr 30, 2001 6:23 am

But is it worth to drug our best and brightest into submission and stupidity and get them to obey??? I don't think so.
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RE: Drugging Our Kids.

Mon Apr 30, 2001 6:44 am

I pretty much agree with everyone so far. It is a problem.

I believe that many of the cases where kids are on these mind drugs are a result of their parents' own shortcomings raising their children and making them learn how to behave properly. In other words, I think they blame their kids' unruliness on imaginary problems in an effort to infer a "little Jonny is just like that, we can't help it" attitude.

I have witnessed a good number of cases like that.
 
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Mon Apr 30, 2001 6:47 am

It's not the best and brightest that cause the problems, but the opposite ones, who envy the success of others and use their physical superiority to compensate by bullying the weaker ones...

If the troublemakers could be quieted down with drugs, I'd be all for it. After all, it's probably more humane than corporal punishment.....  Acting devilish

Seriously, though. Are kids in America stuffed with antidepressant drugs? Does it have any positive/negative effect? In Europe, doctors are generally far more conservative in prescribing drugs (even dying people often don't get enough painkillers to die in peace - which is a shame)

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RE: Drugging Our Kids.

Mon Apr 30, 2001 7:02 am

We do not need to drug our kids, we need to talk to them, and see what they want to do.

Well, I think parents need to spend more time with their children, yes. But letting the kid decide what is best, no. Parents are there for a reason, to make the best choices for their children untill the child is capable of making rational decisions for its self. I *think* most kids on these types of drugs are prettty young (under 12). And i dont think they are yet able to make the best decisions for themselves. I think most kids would choose not to take medication, whereas it could and probably is in the childs best intrest to take the medication. So, letting kids make the decision, i dont think that would work. I am for giving kids medication for some aboved mentioned 'dieases'. If it helps them function better in life, go for it.

So, if there were PROVEN alternitive methods to treat these problems, then yes, do away with the drugs. But from what i have heard, there really aren't any other known methods at this point.

But no, kids shoudln't be able to decide if they take the meds or not.
 
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Mon Apr 30, 2001 7:15 am

My cousin is on ritalin she is overly hyper and cannot concentrate in school, if she does not take this medication. She would not be able to learn anything. When she did not take it, a few years back she would sneak out of her room at night and run away with everyone else sleeping. They had to put locks on her doors and windows.

If you are one saying that it should not be used at all well than meet a person with attention deficate disorder(ADD) and than come back and tell me that they should not be taking this drug. Although it is used more than it should be.
 
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Mon Apr 30, 2001 8:02 am

To better understand my point of view, listen to Jello Biafra's speech on Columbine shootings. It has it all.
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Mon Apr 30, 2001 8:07 am

While a lot of doctors prescribe these meds unnecessarily, some kids and adults do still need them. I was given Prozac a while back after a bad breakup of a relationship, and I wasn't "drugged" at all. Perhaps I would have gotten over the whole situation just as well without the meds, but I do think it helped. It is true though that a lot of doctors simply hand out a prescription like a magic pill.
 
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Mon Apr 30, 2001 8:08 am

Flight152 it sounds more of a case of an uncontrollable child! The doctors say everyone has ADD, heck I bet doctors would say I have ADD just because I act childish, but the fact has it I am quite a bright chap!
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Mon Apr 30, 2001 8:18 am

>It is true though that a lot of doctors simply hand out a prescription like a magic pill.

Oh yes!
It's very unfortunate.
I have a lady friend that had a similar situation you had after a break up. The counselor/Doctor didn't give much advice other than to take Prozac.
She refused to take it.
Prozac my give the illusion that it helps but from all the people I've met that has used the drug has severe mood swings. Thoughts of suicide are common too with this medication. I've read a lot about this drug and it also points out these problems.
What's so sick about these drugs is that Doctors are given incentives for prescribing drugs regardless if it is needed! Pharmaceutical industries don't make a profit off the cure. Getting people hooked is there motive to make a profit!
It's sickening!

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Mon Apr 30, 2001 8:24 am

Iainhol- No, she has been diagnosed by the doctor otherwise she would not be on the drug and I would not of said anything. People with this disease do those things which is why it is hard to diagnose.
 
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Mon Apr 30, 2001 8:25 am

Iainhol- No, she has been diagnosed by the doctor otherwise she would not be on the drug and I would not of said anything. People with this disease do those things which is why it is hard to diagnose.
 
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Mon Apr 30, 2001 8:42 am

>>>Iainhol- No, she has been diagnosed by the doctor otherwise she would not be on the drug and I would not of said anything. People with this disease do those things which is why it is hard to diagnose<<<

It's an imaginary disease. And Superfly is right - that's why he is on my respected user's list.
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Mon Apr 30, 2001 9:24 am

An-225 You can think what you want but, intill you have had a case of this in your family you don't know what it is like. Neither of you are doctors.
 
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Mon Apr 30, 2001 9:28 am

It's still not the reason to drug her into submission and stupidity. Her kids might have birth defects later on.
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Mon Apr 30, 2001 9:33 am

She needs to be able to learn in school. That is a good enough reason to use it.
 
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Mon Apr 30, 2001 9:34 am

It can be achieved by other methods other than drugs. For some reason European countries do not use the drugs, and education systems there are so much better.
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Mon Apr 30, 2001 9:39 am

Like what??
 
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Mon Apr 30, 2001 9:42 am

Talking to your child is the best way. Spending time with her and not drugging her into submission.
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Mon Apr 30, 2001 9:48 am

I don't think you understand the disease talking wont do anything.
 
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Mon Apr 30, 2001 9:55 am

Superfly, you're right about the doctors not worrying about much other than writing the script. I didn't even really like the prescribing doc, just saw him because he worked in conjunction with my therapist. The therapist helped a lot. The medical doctor always made me feel uncomfortable, just told me "you have got to get over it..." blah blah blah and wrote me a prescription. I have had another doctor since then try to put me on something because I was feeling a little moody. Now this is not like the time before when I was a basket case missing the love of my life. I told that particular doctor no thank you, no drugs. The Prozac never did make me feel crazy or much of anything dramatic to be honest. Of course, I wasn't on a very high dose. One reason I really don't want to take any drugs like that again is that I now fly and you can't take any type of antidepressant and have a medical. Doctors don't seem to take these things into consideration and just hand out the pills like candy.
 
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Mon Apr 30, 2001 10:07 am

It's an imaginary disease. Read my post about European kids not being drugged.
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Mon Apr 30, 2001 10:12 am

It's not an imaginary disease look in a doctor or nurse book would ya.
 
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Mon Apr 30, 2001 11:39 am

The doctors are bought out by our "disease industry"
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Mon Apr 30, 2001 12:11 pm

As someone who was on prozac, but taken off of it, I will attest that it wasn't until I was on prozac that I actually thought about killing myself on more than one occasion. Prozac wasn't really that effective in my case, so I was switched to Zoloft, which, I feel, has helped me more than hurt me, and I am even beginning to feel independent, like I have grown out of the disease, as if I forget to take my pill, It doesn't feel any different than when I do remember to take it.
 
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Mon Apr 30, 2001 12:47 pm

Ok, I met the real Patch Adams, and he was very much against any of those anti-depressants. His opinion on what kids need to have - it is love, and caring and compassion. I thought about killing myself too, but I always have someone to talk to about it. We all have our moments of depression, but making it into a disease - give me a break. Those drugs might have some devastating effects in the future.
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Mon Apr 30, 2001 1:31 pm

I have a cousin who has ADD and ritalin does work for him. He used to be such a brat that I would not even get near him. Since he started out on ritalin, he has been much better. He can finally show people how smart he is too.
On the other hand, I seriously think that we should reconsider letting teachers "spank". It always worked when I was getting out of control around my parents. A lot of kids are getting away with murder b/c they have no discipline in their lives. A little threat of physical pain never hurt anybody. Screw the "psychological trauma".
This is what gets me so mad. People making excuses for everything. Some people just need to accept the fact that they aren't great parents and work on themselves. Not their the children. Kids are kids. Its much easier for people to say its a chemical imbalance than to admit that their kids are spoiled (not all, but some of them). Its the parents fault if they can't raise the kids, and the parents are the ones who need to change, thus helping the kids. Not the other way around!
 
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Mon Apr 30, 2001 4:20 pm

Maybe it worked for him, but it most certainly will have a very negative effect in the future.
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Tue May 01, 2001 4:30 am

An-225- You are making all this crap up. The FDA (food and drug administration) makes sure these drugs are safe.
 
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Tue May 01, 2001 6:04 am

I am not making it up. FDA is also a part of the drug industry.
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Tue May 01, 2001 6:32 am

What is strange about this, is that no one cares about kids anymore ."Let's drug him up so we can watch tv quietly" and "well he's acting up let's drug him" . There is no drug or tablet that is safe ,on commercials you hear "sidefects are:bloding, headache, stomach ache, dislocated jaw and heart desease, people that are seriously stupid should not take this DRUG" . The problem is that parents don't want to spend time with their children anymore, it's not that they don't love them , it's just they don't like hearing about their problems that they're having in school or someplace like that.THERE's NO SUCH THING AS ADD! People are making this up . All the child needs is love and care (besides the food, water, home, clothes ect.) to keep him healthy and not turning into a some phycho killer.There's no such thing in Euope and Asia and som other parts of the world.


The other thing is that people are becoming sick and dieing because of this. There's not one person that has been cured of this imaginary desease because it makes them more sick and in some cases this is fatal.
I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
 
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Tue May 01, 2001 6:49 am

That's another excellent point, Vafi88. You're on my respected users list!
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Tue May 01, 2001 12:13 pm

Although you bring up a valid point, Vafi, I disagree with you when you say that "All the child needs is love and care to keep him healthy and not turning into some psycho killer". I also have to disagree with anyone who has said that it is the parents' fault that their kids are like this.
I feel that my parents have done a helluva job with me, and have always, on almost an hourly basis, expressed their unconditional love for me and my brother. I really couldn't ask for anything more from them. What was my problem was the lack of respect I was getting at school. When one is picked on almost daily since the first grade, something is bound to happen to that child's mental state, and that is what happened to me. It was not my parents' fault that I was picked on; it was the immaturity of my classmates. It is no coincidence that this year, in which they have finally let up, my mental state has finally began to improve.

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