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USA Speed Limit Debate

Mon Apr 30, 2001 9:04 am

Im sure that all of you people know that the speed limit on US Interstates and highways is between 55-80 mph. But should a state like Wisconsin or Iowa make their speed limit higher. Its really painfull when you have 2 lanes open and nobody on the horizon and cornfields on both sides and you have to drive 65 mph. Some europeans might not really see this as a low speed limit because they almost never drive distances like Americans. I say the USA should change its speed limit to 85-90 mph at interstates excluding where they pass thru cities. I like Montana 3 years ago when they didnt have a speed limit but unfortunately its 75 mph now. i think Wisconsin and Georgia have to be the worst states to drive thru. Illinois is really bad also. A couple years ago alot of states highered their speed limits but some states didn't which is stupid. When i drove thru Montana, Wyoming there was almost no cars from horizon to horizon so i believe that the speed limit should be raised although only during the day time. Crowded interstates in the East and Midwest and California such as I-80, I-90, I-94, I-85, I-10 should change their speed limits only in non-crowded parts of the road. Drunk drivers are another problem to highering speed limits but i dont really think think their are alot of drunk drivers in Montana, Wyoming, Idaho where the nearest town is 100 miles away. If they crash aat the speed 75 mph or 85 mph there is really no diffrence, they still have a slim chance of survival. Another thing is Toll plazas on some interstates, they were supposed to be in Illinois for 2 years, their here for 20 almost! Toll roads are crap because here in Illinois you pay for a road that is full of potholes, damn italian mafia is controlling the road construction buisness. Well what are your thoughts on highering the USA speed limits at Interstates that go thru sparsley populated areas?
 
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Mon Apr 30, 2001 9:06 am

To hell with all speed limits!!!!!!!! We should be able to drive as fast as we want.

TWA

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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Mon Apr 30, 2001 9:10 am

Yes, I agree 100%

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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Mon Apr 30, 2001 9:12 am

On the interstates here in AZ it seems speed limits mean little. It is posted at 75, but most of the traffic is moving around 85-90. I always hate having people fly up on my rear bumper, while I am doing 80-85 and pushing on me to go faster... this is especially annoying when the right lane is clogged full of semis or RVs. But then there seems to be little speed limit enforcement on that stretch of I-10 anyways. But to be honest 75-80 is certainly reasonable for any rural interstate highway. Going just 10 mph faster gets you where you are going about 3 minutes sooner.
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Mon Apr 30, 2001 9:19 am

If someone is driving from 10 hours a day like a truck driver or just if your hurrying somewhere 10 mph times 10 hours = 100 miles thats a 100 miles farther then what you would be, thats a big savings for alot of trucking industries and people who want to actually get somewhere. 75-80 is slow but here in Chicago if you can't do 90 on the Interstate your toast. The police dosen't even bother if your going 85. But out in the country, damn 75 is slow!
 
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LOT767-300ER

Mon Apr 30, 2001 9:37 am

Sounds like a sweet car dude!!! I also kill the BMW's and the Mercedes.

TWA

P.S. Thanks for not letting me get a Z3, They are slow!!!!!
 
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Mon Apr 30, 2001 11:00 am

Their damn ugly also, a little miget car.
 
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LOT767-300ER

Mon Apr 30, 2001 11:03 am

Your damn right!!!!! Plus they are sooooooo underpowered!!!

TWA
 
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Mon Apr 30, 2001 11:12 am

Yes my math teacher has one, when she saw my impala she just looked at it and then got in her car to show of its power. She didnt even get to the next block before me! She just saw my red lights and my then she heard my tires scream. Thats the last time she dared to go out on the street the same time as i did...
 
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Mon Apr 30, 2001 11:14 am

The sad thing with people who have accidents because they were driving too fast because they thought that they are god with a car is that they often kill innocent people. I hate people like you guys.
 
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Mon Apr 30, 2001 11:19 am

Dude in Wyoming or Montana or any wester State or prairie state there are no cars for miles! There is no one to kill! Im saying that in these wide roads we have and no cars we should be allowed to go faster? There is NO cars there from horizon to horizon!
 
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Mon Apr 30, 2001 9:24 pm

Ok the deal with the speed limits is this. I feel that they could raise the speed limit but enfore it more. The speed limit down I-95 is 70mph now (in Jacksonville its 55mph) and you always see people doing 90-100mph and its crazy. In downtown Jacksonville no one even slows down even though the speed limit changes to 55mph. People still go way over 80mph. Its become a chore to drive on I-95, you could be in the slow lane doing 80mph and some jackass in a SUV will come ride your bumper because 80mph in the slow lane just isnt fast enough for him and he is too damn lazy to pass you. It makes me sick. Now if everyone drove like the drivers in California then it wouldnt be so bad. California drivers have got to be the best drivers in the whole US, they actually obey the speed limits, they actually pass you in the "passing" lane, they dont ride your bumper like theres no tommorow and they generally just drive better.

Back on subject. Im sure the reason why they have the speed limits at 55 and 65 in like Wisconsin and Minnesota is probably because deer. Just imagine hitting a deer going 80mph, just imagine trying to make a emergency stop doing 80mph. Dont tell me the deer dont prance around on the freeway because they do. I have seen it more times than I can count up in Minnesota.
 
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Mon Apr 30, 2001 9:28 pm

There always has been a speed limit in Montana. It was called reasonable and prudent.  Smile Unfortunately some famous people got press due to their reckless driving in Montana and ruined that. So now it's 75 (65 for semis/lorrys whatever you call 'em) and nobody, except for a few of the truck drivers, do the speed limit. I think maybe 80-85 would be reasonable for eastern Montana where it's flat, but not the western part of the state. Plus I'd hate to see those big trucks going any faster than 65. I think now that Montana is back to a set limit it is a $5 ticket for speeding now rather than a reckless driving charge when it was R&P. Is this true? Anybody?

Anyways...

LOT767-300ER said:Another thing is Toll plazas on some interstates, they were supposed to be in Illinois for 2 years, their here for 20 almost!
Ahhh... yes. Good old politicians. Same sort of thing happened in Idaho. People were told that the 5% sales tax would only last a couple years. This was about 20 years ago I believe. Still there.
 
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Mon Apr 30, 2001 10:39 pm

To Adam84:

Jacksonville has the reputation (and first hand experience of many many hundreds of miles in my case) of being a city of contrasts to drive in.

As you say, I-95 slows to 55mph but no-one takes a blind bit of notice... I-295 is the same where people come off of I-10 doing 85/90 and stay that way all the way thru to I-95 North or I-95 South, even tho the limit is 65.

My personal belief is that the 75mph limit is perfectly acceptable... (this from someone who frequently drives 400 miles thru TLH-JAX-DAB every couple of weeks) as a high limit. It is known that people will drive at at least 10mph over the limit anyway, so if you say 75 people will drive 85-90. In FL, the speed limit is 70 on rural interstates (I-10, I-75, I-95 and FL-TPK) and the FHP don't do anything for people at 80mph. Any more than this and perhaps it's too excessive?

My point is, (after all this rambling) that 70 or 75 perhaps is perfectly acceptable as a high limit maybe, as they KNOW people drive faster. Just look at I-75... I personally stick around 80 on I-10, 75 on I-295 and 80 on I-95 south of I-295.

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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Tue May 01, 2001 7:41 am

I agree.... here in the Seattle area, all highways are posted 60mph speed limit. Sloooooooow. Especially when I'm going into downtown from my house- at the speed limit it takes about 20 minutes (that is in no traffic....rare). But when I'm up with the flow of traffic (80-85), it'll only take 12 or so minutes. Big difference.

I agree that in the city it should be lower- example: I-5 south of Seattle at Southcenter is eight lanes wide, but remains at 60mph. But coming into downtown, I-5 is down to two lanes- same speed limit.

And the damn State Patrol... they have got unmarked Volvos and Suburbans (no ramming bars, no antennas, no strobes, nothing) that'll sneak up on you and - BAM. Gotcha.

At least around here, I figure if traffic is moving at 85 and the limit is 60, then 80 is a safe speed (the cops'll go for the fast guy in the Corvette).
 
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Tue May 01, 2001 7:51 am

When I get out of Orange County their isnt anything or anyone for me to hit.

TWA
 
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Tue May 01, 2001 8:11 am

When we went thru California last weekend, they sure didn't act like the best drivers in the world. My dad was in the fast lane, this jackass in an old Cadillac tailgates us, my dad is nice and gets in to the slow lane to let the guy pass him. So my dad moves over into the slow lane and the guy passes him, and then gets right into the slow lane. Its like, WTF! Why couldn't he just get in the slow lane and go around him! There were similar cases throughout the weekend.
 
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Florida Drivers Suck

Tue May 01, 2001 8:13 am

Florida Drivers Suck!!!!! (I'm not from here, I just live here) Anyway they tailgate you, They cut you off & they drive soooooooo sllllllooooowwww in the fast lane. I remember when I was on I-4 one time and was zipping by cars when I was in the Slow Lane

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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Tue May 01, 2001 8:29 am

I do believe strongly in speed limits. I had one of the saddest moments of my life today riding on a public bus going by a school, where two days ago four-twelve year old middle school students died after the bus they were travelling on flipped off an on ramp in New Brunswick, Canada. Canadian crash invesigators are now strongly looking at whether the bus was going the 30km speed limit.

Here in Massachusetts, as well as most of the Northeast, it is so populated that we don't get opportunities to speed. In Massachusetts, Home of the Masshole driver, our official speed limit is 65mph, yet that is reduced to 55mph in heavily populated areas. Most people will travel at 60mph in cities, and upwards of 75-80mph outside of the cities, but the fear of being pulled over is always there. Given the almost non-existent driving capabilities of fellow Bay Staters (for which MA pays some of the highest car insurance rates in the nation), this speed limit suits us well.

In extremely rural areas, I would be in favour of a speed limit of 85mph.

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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Tue May 01, 2001 9:19 am

No matter what speed limit you set, people will drive faster than what it is. Where the speed limit is 55, people drive 70. where the speed limit is 65, people drive 80. If the speed limit was 85, people would drive 95, and so on. No matter what it is, people, being what they are, will NOT adhere to the posted speed limit, no matter what it is. Does anyone really believe that if the limit were raised to 80, 90, or even 130, that people would suddenly stay at the posted limit as opposed to now?

I highly doubt it.

The line has to be drawn somewhere.

As it is, Interstate 15 between Barstow and Las Vegas is 70. But the traffic flows at 80-85. You almost certainly won't get stopped and cited unless you are doing 90+.



 
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Tue May 01, 2001 9:48 am

I would also like to add to my previous thread that speed limits and enforcement in this country is a mockery, and laced with hypocrisy, and we all know it. How I wish some agency would come forward and call a spade a spade and come clean about it. Despite all of their public service announcements to the contrary, the State Troopers, Highway Patrols and all of their associated jurisdictions want us to speed. It makes their work a lot easier. Consider the following:

1.If the Federal Government was really serious about having the National speed limit, how hard would it be to require that all cars sold in this country be installed with governers installed limiting the speed to 65 mph, and the tampering with one would be a Federal offense? We’ve been able to accomplish that with emission standards. Why not with the speed that the vehicles are capable of achieving? Yet I have seen nothing like this happen.

2.Speeding tickets are a big business. The revenue generated from them pays for everything from new patrol cruisers to officer salaries to new traffic signals, bailiffs, pens, papers, and file cabinets, clerks, and computers. If everyone stopped speeding tomorrow, our taxes would almost certainly skyrocket, and massive unemployment would begin as the whole “system” collapsed like a house of cards.

In short, most police officers and State Troopers prowling up and down our highways and hiding under bridges are little more than “meter maids” with guns. In my mind, they are not true law enforcement people in any way other than title. Sure, they’ll occasionally engage in the high speed chase or write an accident report. But most, if not all of them will never respond to a bank robbery, domestic violence, or hostage situation, or any other “real” police work situation. Instead, they waste the taxpayers money on cars and gas driving up and down the Interstates looking to increase that agencies positive cash flow. Nothing more. Nothing less.
And then what about some agencies using airplanes to catch speeders? They do that on I-15 between Barstow and Las Vegas. Short of just putting it in a pile and setting it on fire, I can think of no bigger waste of the taxpayer dollars than using a Cessna or Piper to catch a speeder. Consider this: It takes a half million dollar airplane, avgas, and repairs, a fully trained pilot (and salaried), as well as a police observer PLUS a vehicle on the ground to issue that ticket. Can you imagine the added cost to the jurisdiction if that person pleads not guilty, and all of those people have to come and testify in court?
Using an airplane to catch a speeder is nothing more than an enormous ego trip for the officers, and doing so, given the wasteful costs involved, should be a criminal offense in and of itself.

In spite of what I just said, that does NOT mean I endorse driving faster than you can safely control your car, and stop without striking another vehicle or person. If you have the experience (and well maintained vehicle) to safely handle your vehicle at 90 or 100 MPH on an open highway, more power to you. But when you find yourself going that fast when everyone else is only going half that speed, or the weather dictates a slower speed, or if you are a teenager, and your lack of experience and judgment (and blindness to prudence) causes you to be scraped up with a spatula off your dashboard or the pavement, then I have absolutely no sympathy for you whatsoever.

 
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Tue May 01, 2001 10:33 am

No thats not because of deer! Some southern states have it also! Dont tell me its the flying fish! This law should exclude bad weather and night driving! Only for the day.Yes if the speed limit was 90 i bet all the vans and SUV's wouldnt pass it very much.
 
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Florida Laws

Tue May 01, 2001 10:39 am

5 Basic Florida Driving Laws:

1. Dont go to fast, You might upset the environment

2. Dont play your music to loud. You might give the old people a Heart-Attack

3. If you drive to fast down State Road A1A you might drive into the Atlantic.

4. Dont drive at high speeds over the Sunshine Skyway Bridge, You might break it.

5. Their are to many Bicyclests down here.

TWA
 
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Tue May 01, 2001 10:47 am

Deer, cattle, turkeys, and other wildlife are a constant threat to drivers here in rural areas. I'm not sure what speed limit is acceptable. At night, I certainly will not go over fifty-five on rural roads and will not go over seventy on the interstates. Those speeds are pretty standard for everyone here.

At night, at sixty miles per hour, you only have a split second from when can possibly spot a deer (or whatever on the road) to the time you need to be taking appropriate actions. I drive frequently at night and have hit more then one deer. Three in fact. Fortunately, I was going the speed limit each time, and hit them at only about thirty mph, so there was no damage to my car. Fifty-five to sixty miles per hour on regular roads is an ok speed limit for around here.
 
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Tue May 01, 2001 9:27 pm

You all should go to germany Big grin
No speed limit there  Smile
on the Highway you can drive 200km/h if you want  Smile

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Matt D's Comments, Above

Tue May 01, 2001 9:45 pm

Matt-

I have to correct you on one point- You stated:

"No matter what speed limit you set, people will drive faster than what it is. Where the speed limit is 55, people drive 70. where the speed limit is 65, people drive 80. If the speed limit was 85, people would drive 95, and so on. No matter what it is, people, being what they are, will NOT adhere to the posted speed limit, no matter what it is. Does anyone really believe that if the limit were raised to 80, 90, or even 130, that people would suddenly stay at the posted limit as opposed to now? "

Actually, the bulk of research on the topic has shown that there is an appropriate speed for every road at which (absent some concealed hazards) around 85% of the drivers will go- they call it (remarkably enough) the "85th percentile speed," and it is regarded by traffic safety engineers as the ideal speed for a given road.

As a result, notwithstanding the oft-quoted slogan, "speed kills," it can be true that a lower speed limit, on a road more appropriate for a higher one, is more dangerous than an appropriate higher limit.

And, the research has also shown that, even where you have unlimited or very high limits, most drivers on a particular road will settle around the same speed - the 85th percentile speed.

Most people do not set ther speed by looking at the speed limit, deciding by how much they want to violate it, and going that speed. Research has shown, time and again, that the assertion that "if you raise the speed limit, everyone will just go x mph faster than the limit" is patently false.

As a result, it is reasonable to conclude that any speed limit which (again, absent concealed or unusual hazards) is set below the 85th percentile speed, is likely to create more speed variations; more hazards; and is mostly calculated to enhance the collection of speeding fines, not the promotion of traffic safety.

All of the above, ofcourse, is not intended to minimize the consequences of erratic or excessively dangerous driving- but this is what's done by those outside the "85th percentile," and it can be extremely high speed- and extremely low speed. Each is dangerous in its own way, and those who self-reighteously assert that their slow speed inevitably equates with safe driving, are every bit as much a threat to safe conduct on the roads as the "speed demons."

I'd love to discuss this more, and cite to some illuminating research and sources, but I have to go earn a living now so I can afford to fly somewhere and take lots of pictures of pretty airplanes. Bye.
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Wed May 02, 2001 7:25 am

You go 60 Mph on a highway at night! Damn it what the heck are you driving a 58 VW Westfalia Van?? Stay on the right lane buddy because if i come going 75 mph you best not be in my way.
 
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California Drivers

Wed May 02, 2001 9:04 am

Adam sez: "California drivers have got to be the best drivers in the whole US..."

Are you mad?! California drivers rank amongst the worst in the nation. And the insurance companies agree. I moved here 9 months ago from downtown Boston. I previously thought that they were the worst drivers in the world. Would you believe my insurance went UP when I moved to suburban San Francisco? Significantly at that. I thought there was a mistake, but the insurance companies are dead on: California drivers are completely lacking in skill, and courtesy. They do not follow the speed limits, they do not know how to merge, they do not know how to drive an appropriate speed in the fast lane, they do not move out of the way of faster cars, they do not know how to handle slight rain, they certainly do not know how to handle snow, but they all drive big-ass SUVs so when they hit you, it will hurt you more than them.

California drivers suck big time. They could all go to New York, Boston, and DC to learn how to drive and be much better than they are now.
 
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Wed May 02, 2001 9:44 am

It's the same with drivers all over the world, *x* State's drivers are the worst!!

In my state, New South Wales, the state speed limit is 100km/h, with the exception of major freeways which are 110km/h. Most people on the major freeways do 120km/h as cops won't bust you for that.

However, the speeding fines in this state are horrendous, and if you are caught speeding in 'holiday' periods you get double de-merit points and double the fines. It seems to work, in respect of making people slow down, but everyone here recognises the blatant "revenue raising efforts".

In fact, we are now seeing more radar traps in "peak" hours, something which was taboo previously as it usually hinders the smooth flow of traffic. Perhaps with so many people slowing down, the police are not getting enough revenue?

We've had the 'flying police' who were affectionally referred to as "pigs in space", but that didn't last long. Costs etc etc. Now we have radar camera's, red light camera's and all the usual 'unmarked police cars'. Radar detectors are illegal in this state as well.

Drivers in this state tend to be OK, except in Sydney where even though most people are courteous and will let you in, it gets a bit manic if you hesitate for one second. Oh, and you don't use your indicators to change lanes until you have already started to move into it!!

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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Wed May 02, 2001 10:48 am

No the worst drivers are in Wisconsin, the speed limit is 65 and they go 60. (Saw a handicapped granny that was about 80 years old drive 92mph in Georgia in a 98 Regal! She was like zzzzzzoooooooooommmmmmm)
 
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Wed May 02, 2001 10:59 am

yeah, I got my Driver's License on Monday. I am now a certified driver.
 
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Wed May 02, 2001 11:01 am

This is how i see the USA and diffrent countries. In the USA you really arent free until you are 16 in diffrent countries you are really "free" till your 16. The car holds the key to the future in the USA.
 
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Wed May 02, 2001 9:42 pm

No way. Have you ever noticed in what bad shape some interstates are??

Two weeks ago i drove Charleston- Spartanburg. Whenever i would go over 80 Miles the car would rattle like crazy because of the uneven road.
It should stay at 70 Mph. max. Traffic will flow at about 80 which is ok.

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RE: TWA And LOT767-300ER

Wed May 02, 2001 11:30 pm


Hey sharp Dan (Owner of a Jet Black 1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28. 5.7 Liter V8 LS1 Producing 310 Horsepowe, 6-Speed Manual, T-Tops, Traction Control) and LOT767300ER (Owner of a 1997 Chevy Impala Custom made 6.2 V8 Producing 404 HP 5 speed Automatic, Traction, No damn airbags!!!!!, color-red and will make a BMW or Mercedes look like a little child),

so what are you doing with your dream cars - driving at 75 mph max - ha! Anyway, I don´t want to tease you (well, just a little), but, I´m really sorry for you. Driving 150 on a German autobahn is really a nice experience, I can tell you Big grin. Even though I only have half your horsepower under my butt, I can legally drive twice your speed  Laugh out loud...

Daniel Smile
 
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Thu May 03, 2001 4:24 am

Guess what Airsicknessbag I ship my car to europe whenever i go there o I get to drive fast in Germany. Dude in the western states such as Wyoming, Montana, Oregon, Idaho there is almost no police! You can drive as fast as you can so I feel sorry for you because where here with the best roads, more space and better cars than you thats why im feeling sorry for you!
 
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Thu May 03, 2001 6:39 am

best roads, more space and better cars than you thats why im feeling sorry for you!

Wow, you sure are stuck on your America is the best place in the world ideals aren't you? That "better cars" comment cracks me up...where are Porches, Ferraris, and Lamborghinis from? Not the US! Come to think of it, do US car makers have anything in production that can match the Luxury of a Mercedes S600, the reliablity of a Toyota Camry, or the reputation of a Bentley? Nope!

Now lets bring up the feeling sorry for people thing again. I feel sorry for you and your extremely narrow ideals and point of view.
 
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Thu May 03, 2001 7:32 am

Here in America, Mazda's are regarded as pretty reliable. You see a lot of old ones on the road, at least at my high school parking lot, so they must hold up pretty well.
 
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Thu May 03, 2001 7:57 am

Gee, I wish there was a little smilie sadly shaking his head from side to side...oh well.
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Thu May 03, 2001 10:42 am

Ummm, you do know that Mazda is Japanese, right?


American Luxury: Cadillac. There are some pretty nice ones you know. But, unfortunately, they are considered 'Old People's' cars now.

American Reliability: Ford Taurus. Unfortunately, the 80's have permanently damaged American reputation. BUT, the Taurus is definitely as reliable as the Camry and Accord.

Reputation? You'll have to explain that one.

American Sports Car: Dodge Viper and Chevy Corvette. Both kick ass, and chew up the road. What's sad is that there's no place in this country where you can truly see what these babies can do. (Bringing us back on topic...)
 
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Thu May 03, 2001 12:10 pm

Excuse me but what do you call Aston Martin, McLaren and lamborghini which is partly owned by Fiat which of half of it is owned by GM! Dude are you saying that a cadillac deville or STS cant beat a S600? The corvette and the viper can kick any Porsche any time. Corvettes even have better performance than ferraris and lamborghinis in some areas. Even my car is able to beat an S600 on the road even if it dosent look so snobish! Man are you saying a Lincoln Town car Limo cant beat an S600 in comfort? Yea right think about ultimate comfort which is a limo! I dont think an S600 offers the comfort of a limousine! reliabilty of a Camry? i see plenty of chevies from the 60's and 70's that poor people drive around here and their fine! The reputation of a Bently, ye right the reputation of a vette is way more classic and better than of a bentley.
 
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Thu May 03, 2001 12:38 pm

Wow, I didn't know such little and unimportant things meant so much to you. Oh well, some people just get stuck on things like that.
 
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Thu May 03, 2001 12:58 pm

Even with 70MPH Speed Limits on the Highways and Interstates in Texas, I usually drive 80-85MPH. I make several trips to Amarillo to go storm chasing with my dad and his friend. I can make Austin-Amarillo in 6.5 hours, or 7-8 depending on how many stops we make, and the winds, and the weather.

Rgds,

B744

(owner of a 1995 GMC Safari van, produces 215HP with a good air filter I installed, with 250 lbs of torque. Easily does 85MPH on highway, will top out well over 110. Will kick the ass out of any other van in a race.  Smile)
 
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Thu May 03, 2001 1:05 pm

This isn't my van, but it looks exactly the same...(I don't have a website)








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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Thu May 03, 2001 1:15 pm

DLX, yes I know Mazda is Japanese, but it is owned by Ford. Also, I never said Mazda was American, I was just saying that in America, from what I see, Mazdas are reliable cuz I see a lot of old Mazdas (hatchbacks, small pickups) on the road (especially in my school student parking lot).
 
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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Fri May 04, 2001 2:31 am

Caddys, Vettes, Navigators, Suburbans, etc, etc. etc. They're all wonderful, reliable vehicles. I'm sure the Euros and Japanese build swell vehicles as well. Enough already.
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AirsicknessBag

Sat May 05, 2001 11:19 pm

Heya Airsicknessbag  Smile, I'm soooo jealous that you can drive 150 on the Autobahn. When I decide to max it out I take it to a backroad (Their are plenty of them in Florida) and fly!!!!! I wish the United States would build a road where we could go as fast as we want.

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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Sun May 06, 2001 5:09 am

it was called "Montana" for 2 years. I had the chance to go there 2wice during that time.
 
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LOT767-300ER

Sun May 06, 2001 1:07 pm

Sup>? Ya I knew Montana used to be like that.

I was coming back from Sarasota today and I was hauling ass the whole way (All backroads) I averaged about 110 the whole trip.

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RE: USA Speed Limit Debate

Sun May 06, 2001 10:17 pm

110 pretty god speed, ive averaged bout 92mph from Chicago-San Antonio but i went thru the backroads in New Mexico! Those cities like Roswell, Carlsbad, Clovis are out of this world! Anyone been there?
 
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LOT767-300ER

Sun May 06, 2001 10:31 pm

Ya, It was pretty good. The road was really rough which sucked.

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