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Japanese Cartoons?

Wed May 02, 2001 7:42 am

Lately here in the USA there seems to be a craze of Japanese cartoons wheter its Dragonball Z, Pokemon, Gundam Wing or whatever people are going nuts about them! Personally i see these so called "cartoons" as crap! The images don't move they dont come near the quality of American cartoons such as Bugs Bunny or Mickey Mouse. They have really stupid plots for cartoons and some are even disturbing! What do you guys think about these so called "cartoons"?
 
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Wed May 02, 2001 7:44 am

Go Pikachu!!! Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Wed May 02, 2001 9:28 am

I agree with LOT767-300ER, I hate it when kids wear those Japanese shirts with the Japanese letters!
 
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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Wed May 02, 2001 9:56 am

Most oh them are funny!

It's true that they don't have any quality, the caracters are all similar, but I think it's better than an all computer made cartoon like toy story.

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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Wed May 02, 2001 9:58 am

Even though I don't wear those shirts, how do you know I/we don't know what it says? Some people out there know other languages than english. Also, about the cartoons, if you don't like them, deal with it. They're there and you can't do anything about it. There are probably hundreds of shows on tv and radio I could find "stupid" yet, I choose not to waste my time, and instead find something I enjoy.
 
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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Wed May 02, 2001 10:53 am

I hate Japanese cartoons (Anime, Japanimation, whatever you call it). I do not see what is so great about them, they are BORING, it's impossible to sit through one, I guess thats why they appeal to a certain set (namely, computer geeks).
 
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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Wed May 02, 2001 10:59 am

This is why your on my respected users list Delta! Flyf15 no way man you think an average kid off the street knows what 20 of those signs he has on his chest mean? Yea right!!!!! mostly no other kid except of japanese orgin knows japanese! Some people know other languages but ill bet $100 that maybe only 1 in 10,000 knows what it says on the shirt! Those stupid cartoons, they dont even move and there is no music to them! For gods sake you cant have metal or rock in cartoons like dragonball z, thats just stupid!
 
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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Wed May 02, 2001 11:05 am

There is no metal or rock in a soap opera, and no doubt their plots are just as bad or worse. Not to mention the acting/animating. Just don't watch it and don't worry about it.
 
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Wed May 02, 2001 11:12 am

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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Wed May 02, 2001 11:22 am

Dude i do not worry about it but when i see some dude walking in front of my face in the hallway with a big japanese symbol im pissed because i have no idea what it means, maybe its offensive!
 
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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Wed May 02, 2001 11:26 am

I hate Japanese cartoons!
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Wed May 02, 2001 11:30 am

Dumb Dumb Dumb!
 
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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Wed May 02, 2001 12:50 pm

LOT, are you saying that you don't like what you don't understand? If so, prepare yourself to hate a lot of things in your life.
You should learn to be more tolerant of different cultures and ideas kid. Life would be so much richer for you if you did.
 
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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Wed May 02, 2001 8:59 pm

Well, I at one time was obsessed with pokemon, in 7th grade everyone was playing with the game so I got it for game boy. I was then wacthing the show etc. but I never got the cards. In 8th grade I moved on with my life and threw the game away. So far I am in 9th grade and I havent played with it since or wacthed the shows.


One of my friends is obsessed with anime and when he got infatuated with it he hung out with another crowd. We seldom talk now.
 
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Thu May 03, 2001 4:27 am

No ddomfox i hate when some wannabe cool looking person wears these clothes just to look cool and not realize what he is wearing, one time in my school some girl was wearing a nice looking shirt with a couple japanese signs across her back, what she didnt know is that it said litterlaly "motherf*cker". She got caught by a japanese biluangal teacher. This is a problem dont you agree?
 
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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Thu May 03, 2001 5:55 am

Yeah, I can't see what's so great about anime. I agree that is is lame and low-quality. Also its annoying that anime fans always think I'm weird because I don't like anime. But I don't care, I don't have to watch it, I just ignore this anime craze. Its probably just a fad that will be over with in a year.

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Thu May 03, 2001 7:35 am

It's not really a "fad" where I am from. Mostly only the computer geek-ish types watch it, all the others call them "anime lovers".
 
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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Thu May 03, 2001 10:42 am

However, if you want to see decent Japanese animation, I suggest you watch the following:

The Vision of Escaflowne
Cowboy Bebop
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Saber Marionette J
Princess Mononoke
Kiki's Delivery Service

All of these are well-written, wonderfully-animated TV shows and movies that are way above what most American animators can do.  Smile
 
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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Thu May 03, 2001 11:04 am

Forget them !

I don't know why, but some Japanse have a funny taste, we in Germany have a nice expression for that,
I don't know the english expression, but we call it

KITSCH !

Maybe it is far beyond kitsch  Acting devilish

But taste is always different, some like fish some like meat.

I like a girl (or two) and a beer (or more)  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Thu May 03, 2001 12:02 pm

does Kitsch in german mean litterly" crap or a waste" because thats what Kich means in Polish.
 
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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Thu May 03, 2001 12:37 pm

First of all, I think it unfair to call Japanese animation crap because DragonballZ and Pokemon don't stack up to classic fare such as Bugs Bunny. Saturday morning and after-school T.V. cartoons in general have been steadily going down the toilet for years now. To compare most any cartoon made today to the greats of yesteryear is bogus. In addition, I agree with Ray in that the true strength of Japanese animation lies with the feature-length movie and not with the half-hour toy commercials we see on television. Movies and featurettes such as Akira, Ninja Scroll, Fist of the North Star, Patlabor:Mobile Police Force and Ghost in the Machine (and many more) are adult oriented sci-fi/fantasy/adventure tales and are not meant for the Scooby-Doo set.
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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Thu May 03, 2001 1:21 pm

I did watch the beginning of an "adult anime". I think it was called BioHunter and the beginning was a sex scene. And isn't it "Ghost In The Shell"? I have heard of a videogame with that title. Today in school there was a kid wearing a Neon Genesis Evangelion (whatever that is  Smile) shirt.
 
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Thu May 03, 2001 2:15 pm

You're right. It is "Ghost in the Shell". Nevertheless, a good show all the same.
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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Thu May 03, 2001 2:48 pm

I don't necessarily like them, but the worst ones always go to US, and the good ones are shown in Japan and Europe - because of sexual content that's too hard for conservative public to take  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Thu May 03, 2001 3:22 pm

There's good anime and bad anime - it depends on how it's made and how you view them. RayChuang is right - the best Japanese anime are the full-length ones such as Princess Mononoke and Ghost in the Shell, not those Saturday morning cartoons that kids watch while inhaling bowlfuls of Lucky Charms. Here's another good full-length one you guys haven't mentioned: Wings of Honneamise. I like this one, too.

I've seen both Ghost in the Shell and Princess Mononoke and they're pretty good in the script and animation, which is generally better than the kiddie crap that Americans churn out and others spurn. Then there's some out there that are absolute crap and utterly badly dubbed (unfortunately, Japanese is apparently a difficult language to translate, or so I have heard).

I have seen how North Americans often view cartoons as something only for kids to watch and not to be associated with sex and violence, but the Japanese and Europeans to a degree will have a different view, though.

Yes, there are indeed adult-oriented anime shows out there, some of them pretty hardcore in terms of sex like La Blue Girl (That is definitely NOT for those under 18!), or quite gruesomely violent such as Akira and MD Geist.

There's a major reason why the Japanese have come up with so many anime films - they don't require nearly as much money as a live action film to make. And they don't have to deal with the same problems as Hollywood producers have with actors/actresses. I've been to an anime festival held in Edmonton - and while there were a lot of so-called "computer geek" types, they weren't the majority of fans attending. Most of the fans were pretty much your average teen or young adult, some with kids. I don't know about the present anime craze being a true fad - maybe it is, maybe not - the festival keeps getting bigger every time I go there - and it is in its fifth or sixth year this year this June.
 
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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Thu May 03, 2001 8:58 pm

Folks,

I think a lot of problem with American perception of anime is the fact that what you see on American TV is often poorly dubbed or heavily censored.

I can cite for example Bishoujo Senshi Sailormoon, especially the first season. I highly recommend you see the uncut original Japanese version (I've seen the entire first season fansubbed); it has a surprisingly adult storyline and at the end, a very shocking climax. The climax was so shocking that there was much complaints from Japanese viewers over why it happened.
 
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Fri May 04, 2001 9:54 am

I'm lucky enough to understand both Japanese and English. I find that the ones I watched have more colour and are drawn in more detail. It also feels like it has faster frame rates so the characters move more smoothly. The best of the best are the movies especially Hayao Miyazaki's.
Dubbing can be a problem. I've watched Hayao Miyazaki's film "Laputa" in Eng and Jap and the English version sounded a lot more childish and less serious than the Japanese version. "Kiki's Delivery Service", the direct translation of the title's actually "The Witch's Delivery Service"!
There are some unruly cartoons around which mars the good ones!

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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Fri May 04, 2001 2:43 pm

Anyone know if Sanrio will be making Badtz Maru animated features? I know they have Hello Kitty on video. For the record, I don't care for anime, but if Badtz Maru were on video, I'd buy it in a second.
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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Sat May 05, 2001 12:26 am

Also, the popularity of comics in the Far East is incredible. My wife is Thai and whenever we go back to Bangkok she stocks up on all these comics (and she's 21!). Yet, they are so popular and adult-orientated and you see all the city types reading them. In the UK however, comics are perceived as being a 'kid thing' if you see what I mean. It's kind of wierd, the differences between how the West perceives this type of art form and how it is portrayed in the Far East.
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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Sat May 05, 2001 10:38 am

Its fake!
 
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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Sat May 05, 2001 5:16 pm

Well, on the subject of shirts, its not just Americans wearing random Japanese...

In Japan, random English is all the craze. Often it doesnt really make sense (I have a can saying "Enjoy its milky peachy taste. You will like it, we think"). Some of the shirts I know of
A womans one saying "Suck here, I give milk" across the chest.
One with one of those street signs, the blue circle with the red line through it, and a picture of two people "going at it".. Beneath it says "No F***ing" (without the asterisks)
It goes on and on...

As for the cartoons, well, some of them are pretty hopeless... However, I will admit that, for some reason, I used to have a thing for Sailor Moon... Dunno why, I just liked it (even if it was targeted more at the female audience... And no, I am not gay, if thats what you were thinking...) However, Japan is such a completely different culture to the west that its easy to understand how something that may be serious in one culture comes off as childish and downright ridiculous in another.

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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Sun May 06, 2001 7:50 am

I love DRAGONBALL Z it has quality that is 15 times better than those American ones and plus that they have a fact of realizing that no matter how much you try to keep them from growing up and watching things that they shouldn't , they still will do it . If you keep a person away from all the bad word and sexually explicit content , that they will know everything by the time they are in 5th grade , so why wait for them t grow up , I say ,let them curse , let them know about mature things and tell them about all of the things that you know about.
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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Sun May 06, 2001 8:16 am

Are you suggesting that Dragonball Z is better than Bugs? Did you mom drop you a couple times when you were young?
 
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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Sun May 06, 2001 11:16 pm

I agree that anime is pretty stupid.
 
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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Mon May 07, 2001 8:57 am

I think Bugs Bunny is aimed at the youngest audience. The genre is also completely different so it can't be compared with Dragonball Z, and all cartoons are FAKE.

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Mon May 07, 2001 12:51 pm

DragonballZ, Pokemon....welcome to the USA--made in Japan.

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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Mon May 07, 2001 6:30 pm

A lot of this has probably been said, but I feel like jumping in anyway.

A lot of the American bias against anime comes from our perception that cartoons are for kids. And nearly all American animation is. What Dreamworks, Warner Brothers, and especially Disney, while appreciated by people of all ages, is aimed primarily at the children's market.

Anime, however, comes in a variety of forms. Some of it is aimed at children, while others are aimed at teens and adults. Hentai, a subcategory of anime, is pornographic and its availability in the US, like all other sexually explicit content, is limited to those over 18. Just goes to show that the American perception of "animation is for kids" is not shared in other parts of the world.

All anime that I know of being shown on US television is dubbed. By and large, dubbed anime is terrible. Sometimes the plot gets changed, more often the music. The worst however, is simply the quality of the voice acting. The emotional undertones of the original seems to get lost in the dub.

As an example, I have seen in its entirety, the subtitled version of The Vision of Escaflowne as well as a few episodes of the English dubbed version that aired last year on the Fox network. The plot seemed to be right, but the voice acting was bad, and the opening video and music were completely changed. Also, I noticed that while some of the music had been retained, other parts had been changed. I stopped watching because it wasn't worth my time.

Most American TV animation tends to be very episodic in format. Rarely does a story span multiple episodes, and often it seems that one episode will actually contain several short independent stories. Keep in mind here that I haven't watched too much of the recent American tv animation; I'm basing this on shows like Garfield & Friends, Muppet Babies, Tiny Toon Adventures as well as the classic shows already mentioned like Looney Tunes.

Anime, on the other hand, tends to develop a single overall story arc that gets carried through from beginning to end. This is done to various degrees. Shows like Tenchi Muyo seem to be more episodic, while The Vision of Escaflowne is quite clearly built around a single storyline.

Speaking of storyline, this is one area where anime clearly has an edge over American animation. Being geared towards children, American animation typically has simple plots that can easily be grasped, like the Road Runner endlessly outwitting Wylie E. Coyote. Anime often has much more complicated themes, such as the struggle between animal nature and human technology in Nausicaä of the Valley of the Winds and X. Anime has some thought provoking themes, some things that would provoke a strong reaction from some conservative, xenophobic groups if it were more mainstream.

A few of my anime favorites. If you want to check them out for yourself, be sure to get a subtitled version. Subtitled videotapes seem to be harder to find than dubs, so if you have access to a DVD player, that generally works best. DVD typically offers both Japanese and English audio tracks (and sometimes other languages as well), and you can turn subtitles on or off.

Bubblegum Crisis
Fushigi Yuugi
Ghost in the Shell
Nausicaä of the Valley of the Winds
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Serial Experiments Lain
The Slayers
Tenchi Muyo
The Vision of Escaflowne

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Tue May 08, 2001 1:31 am

Hawaiian717 sums it up.
My favorite Japanese cartoon would be Princess Mononoke
 
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Tue May 08, 2001 7:54 am

Lot767-300ER, that was an unnecessary personal attack. What the hell is your problem? Vafi88's preference of the cartoons might be a bit different from yours. That does not meen he has been dropped a couple of times.
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Tue May 08, 2001 8:05 am

No I'm not suggesting that DBZ is better than bugs, but I like it more than bugs. No I haven't been dropped on my head by my mom, but I'm sure your mom has had a few accidents. OPINIONS ARE LIKE ASSHOLES, EVERYBODY HAS ONE . I might think that dbz is better than bugs, but you might think the opposite way.
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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Tue May 08, 2001 10:09 am

I loved Hawaiian's post! He sums up the differences very well. I'm not the best at analysing and putting it into words and explaining. Some people may think US cartoon are better but we just have differeing opinions, a fact which makes the human race pretty interesting!

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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Tue May 08, 2001 11:01 am

Hawaiian717 said it all about anime better than I did, far better. Anime, while fairly popular, isn't always everyone's cup of tea! Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but flames are unnecessary.

Yes, voice dubbing can be really bad. I generally prefer the subtitled ones. It's far easier for me to understand what's really going on - I'm hard of hearing anyways.

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RE: Japanese Cartoons?

Tue May 08, 2001 1:21 pm

One thing I forgot to mention in my post (I did write that at 2:30am...) was that I do not speak or understand more than a few simple words of Japanese. So I have to read the subtitles to know what is going on. Even though, it is still superior to dubbing, since even if I don't understand the words, I still can pick up on the emotions and the way the characters are saying something. This is what often gets lost in the dubbing.

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