chrisa330
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Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Fri May 11, 2001 2:16 am

This report just released today. Very positive results!

http://erg.environics.net/news/default.asp?aID=432
 
bombstar
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Fri May 11, 2001 6:19 am

Go Liberals!
 
EGGD
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Fri May 11, 2001 6:41 am

Does this mean a decline in 'traditional' marriages?

I really do not feel right with Gay/Lesbian marriages, because the way i have been brought up (mum+Dad+Brother/Sister) and thats the way its always been.

EGGD
 
johnboy
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Fri May 11, 2001 6:51 am

I've always thought that two adults should be able to enter into a legal contract (as marriage is). What's the problem?
 
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Fri May 11, 2001 7:24 am

Allowing same sex marriages goes a long way to ensure equality and recognition of same sex couples.

We do exactly the same things as straight couples do, so why should we be discriminated against? Because someones church says so?

Go Canada!!

*yay*

mb
 
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Fri May 11, 2001 7:26 am

>What's the problem?

A marriage is a sacred union between man and woman. Not between man and man or woman and woman. That's the problem. Enough said.
 
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Fri May 11, 2001 8:45 am

N400QX,

What type of marriage are you talking about? A chrisitian marriage or one that is recognised by law?

mb
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Oz777
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Fri May 11, 2001 10:11 am

What is the real definition of "marriage". In fact is is not really Christian, but an institution recognised bya whole series of cultures as a formal union betwen male and female.

It has devolved with legal obligation, historically on the basis of "ownership". Of more recent times, equality and equity of the sexes has removed that, although I have to admit that many religions still promote a "beholden" theme.

Given that the union between the sexes formalises a natural obligation also, the concept of marriage, embraces a number of parameters in the relationship, both within the union, and external to it.

Same sex unions, while fulfilling the legal recognition of each parties rights in the contract, only partly fulfils those parameters. What ever one's individual beliefs, the majority view (and that is not necessarity restricted to "christian" attitudes) is such that a "marriage" is still between different sexes.

The problem really is about respect and the removal of bigotry, of which discrimination is a manifestation. Where same sex "marriages" create a division in the broader community, is that for a majority, the concept of a full "marriage" carries obligation beyond the legal recognition of mutual commitment.

The world has really only started to embrace equality over the last 100 years, based on a natural order of things extending probably 100 times that period. The concept of same sex unions adopting the phraseology and external rights demeans the "heterosexual" concept and perception of their own "marriage".

Threaten a persons view or perspective and they become defensive, particularly if that is a long held and reinforced part of our society. That is the natural reaction to same sex unions these days I think. Perhaps it is pushing the envelope too early - wait until the majority come to terms with homosexuality, garner respect and build on that.

There are an awful lot of people in the world who have been "indoctrinated" with the concept that non heterosexual individuals are somehow lesser people. Challenge that perception (a) quickly and (b) by legal imposition and the reaction from the majority will be very defensive. And non-accepting of conventions that challenge the institutions upon which our society is built.

It comes down to respect for each other - a facet of our society that seems to have headed towards selfishness and become lost as we have become more "educated".

God that philosophical - I surprise myself!!
Oz777
 
DeltaRNOmd-80
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Fri May 11, 2001 10:26 am

hey, no biggie in my book...

Just another reason to not visit Canada...



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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Fri May 11, 2001 10:56 am

eeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwww........
 
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Fri May 11, 2001 11:23 am

More reason's why I think Canada is one of the best countries in the world!

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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Fri May 11, 2001 11:30 am

I have to agree that maybe it's pushing it a little too far, but if it is what Canada wants, then who are we to judge?

I think that personally marriage should be between man and woman - but I am religious and some of you would tell me that I'm 'old fashioned'.

Either way, I think the law as it currently stands here in the US is suitable.

If two guys want to spend the rest of their lives together, or conversely two women, then that's great for them. But marriage is a sacred union between man and woman. (need I say it again?)

And this from one of 'them'. (Actually, more on the sidelines than on either team.)

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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Fri May 11, 2001 11:33 am

There was a ceremony at a local Toronto church for two couples- one being male/male marriage and other being female/female marriage. The church had hoped to use a loophole in the law- recognizing the publishing of baans as a legal marriage (or something to that extent). The ceremony went ahead with very little opposition and a whole lot of publicity.
If a church is willing to let the marriage go (as was the case a few months ago), I don't see why it can't be legal. It's going to be legal sooner or later- might as well make it legal now than later.
 
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Fri May 11, 2001 11:40 am

DeltaRNOmd-80...you should only be so lucky as to get to come to Canada (heh heh heh, j/k)  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I'm neither here nor there on the whole gays/marriage thing. It doesn't affect me, and I don't consider it an issue, so I say, live and let live.

Cheers everybody.
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blink182
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Fri May 11, 2001 12:25 pm

Good to hear positive results. If only the USA would make such good progress, but with Bush, it really doesn't look like it will happen.
rgds,
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Fri May 11, 2001 12:34 pm

What is this world coming too........
 
Trvlr
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Fri May 11, 2001 1:01 pm

Good for the Canadians. I wonder how far off legislation allowing this is...

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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Fri May 11, 2001 5:18 pm

I'm 100% heterosexual but I think that if two members of the same sex want to live their lives together they should be entitled to the same recognition and rights as heterosexual couples. Who cares about what some 2000 year old book says? It's all about ensuring there is equality in our society, and although I can't speak for the US, here in the UK marriage is something recognised by law and not necessarily by God. How many people still get married in a Church anyway?....
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Sat May 12, 2001 1:55 am

Its pretty sad that the public strongly supports equality but the liberals are too afraid to touch the topic...however I think they'll change in time. I don't think it'll be more than five years before my husband and I can be *legally* married in Canada  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Sat May 12, 2001 2:32 am

Ryanb,

You have been added to my respected users list!

It is a shame that certain people, still through what they claim as religious belief, condemn same sex marriages as not compatible with that.

What is amazing though, is that they will seek out our services, expect us to be waiters for them, like nice clothing designs and all the other things they enjoy in society.

To those bigots out there, if you don't like same sex couples then why don't you wear a badge, one that shows that you don't like them. One that shows you are too immature to realise that their is so much more to life than having a disposition towards others.

Wearing these badges will show to others your intolerance and bigotry. It will also show whoever may be tending to you, whether that be in a bar, restaurant, hospital, radar trap or whatever profession 'the real you'. Then you can expect service accordingly.

Is it so difficult to expect equal rights? This is the 21st century now?

****Absolutely Ansett****

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An-225
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Sat May 12, 2001 3:22 am

>>>What's the problem?

A marriage is a sacred union between man and woman. Not between man and man or woman and woman. That's the problem. Enough said.<<< Quit spewing your Nazi Bullshit, N400QX. Most civilized countries do not view homosexuality as a big deal, countries like Sweden, Switzerland, Finland, Holland, Denmark, etc.. And now Canada - that is great! I hope US becomes one of those countries some time before I die. I am completely heterosexual, but I am not homophobic, I don't think it makes a person any less of an individual.

Personally I don't think that marriage is necessary anyway, but if someone wants to get married, whether they're same sex or not - why not? Let them do whatever they want, it does not affect you.

Good decision, Go Canada!
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Sat May 12, 2001 3:44 am

An-225, spoken like a true wacky liberal. Calling people Nazi and homophobic because they disagree with you. Try to be more tolerant. Tolerance is good, remember?
"Shaddap you!"
 
LH423
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Sat May 12, 2001 4:04 am

I seem to find myself indifferent on the topic. Even though I am gay, I seem to find myself disillusioned by marriage as an "institution", so I don't know if I would even take up the option even if it was presented to me. Although it does amaze me that Canadians have such drastically different views. Hey, how about you guys send some of your liberal "joie de vivre" south, please, America could use it.

LH423
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Sat May 12, 2001 4:51 am

Like LH 423, I have mixed feelings about the concept of marriage. But I certainly appreciate some of the legal benefits that a marriage contract provides.

Over the past twelve years, my partner and I have had to arrange power of attorney for health and financial purposes (otherwise, my partner would have no legal rights to oversee my health care if I were to suddenly become hospitalized). We've had to purchase separate household insurance policies (up until five years ago, married couples and straight living-together couples in Massachusetts could purchase one policy per household but gay couples could not). We've had to draw up special contracts so that we could establish co-ownership of automobiles and houses. In some job situations we've had to pay for our health insurance separately because we were not afforded the same joint insurance programs that were offered to married couples in the office.

On the legal front things have improved for gay couples, but still, it isn't easy or cheap. I just wish we were afforded the same legal rights as our married friends.

- M



 
N400QX
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Sat May 12, 2001 1:46 pm

>Hey, how about you guys send some of your liberal "joie de vivre" south, please, America could use it.


NOOOO.... Definately not. How about us Americans send our liberal 'joie de vivre' north and the Canadians (and American liberals) can live in the socialist utopia they've always dreamed of without screwing over the right-minded conservatives. Sound good? Great... I'm sure us conservatives could chip in on the airline tickets.
 
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Sat May 12, 2001 3:58 pm

So Same sex marriages are now legal in your country? But has this achieved anything for the cause of people with different preferences like more social acceptability etc? I dont think so.

What is marriage? A Social Contract between 2 people. But does it address the deeper issues involved in any relationship? Nope.

Relationships are held together Love, not by contract. The day a relationship turns into a contract, that is the beginning of the end of that relationship.

And this is true for Same-Sex couples as well as Regular couples.
 
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Sat May 12, 2001 11:23 pm

People don't always have to follow the bible(i don't think I ever have) and the way I see it, if two people of the same sex want to spend the rest of their lives together, they have every right to do so. I wish Bush was in favor of same sex marriages, but Bush absolutely against gays.
rgds,
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Ryanb741

Sun May 13, 2001 1:17 am

ALOT of people get married in a church and guess what ... I happen to believe in that "2000" year old book, and to me its a HOLY BOOK so have some respect...
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chrisa330
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Sun May 13, 2001 1:33 am

Indianguy:

If you read the title of the post: The majority of Canaidians support same sex marriage. It is not legal yet.
 
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Sun May 13, 2001 2:41 am

Although being 100% heterosexual, I'm all for it! Gay marriages are already legal in Holland (since a couple of months ago) and here in Belgium a similar law is being worked on, which should go into effect somewhere early next year.

Jetservice,

'An-225, spoken like a true wacky liberal. Calling people Nazi and homophobic because they disagree with you. '

You mean much in the way the conservatives always call the liberals 'commie bastards'?

Greetings Big grin
 
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Sun May 13, 2001 2:44 am

I swear to Christ himself the USA will most likely just collapse from inner social wounds. This country will just collapse from the people that live in it in a couple hundred years. Its going to happen sooner or later......
 
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RE: LOT767-300ER

Sun May 13, 2001 4:01 am

If your country is going to "collapse" it is because people like you want it to. We are talking about state recognized marriages here...not religious marriage. Doesn't your country have very strict lines drawn between church and state?

Besides, we are talking about Canada here...not the US...
 
LOT767-300ER
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Sun May 13, 2001 12:02 pm

I am not talking about same sex marriages here im talking in general! All of this harm we do to our country everyday.
 
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Sun May 13, 2001 1:24 pm

I would never discriminate against a Gay individual. They are just the same as anyone. I dont have a problem with Gay marriages.

Now watch me get slammed by all the Homophobes.

TWA
 
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Sun May 13, 2001 2:11 pm

GO CANADA is what I say, but also with marriage comes the rights to alimony and the headaches of filing for divorce so there's some food for thought?!?! Personally, I go for the "Curt and Goldie" concept (Russell/Hawn) and feel that the bigger issue is to win the rights to designate whoever we choose as a legal beneficiary and/or recipient of insurance benefits.
 
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Sun May 13, 2001 2:24 pm

Go Canada!  Big thumbs up
As a heterosexual, I am all for gay marriages. This is strictly state recognized marriage.
If the Mormon Church, Southern Baptist or any other extremist Church/cult don't want to recognize it, that's fine.
A same sex couple should be entitled to the same benefits as male/female couples.
Bring back the Concorde
 
ryanb741
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Mon May 14, 2001 7:55 am

Thanks mx5_boy! Smile

Marco, you go read your book then. Meanwhile, I will do my best to ensure that my children grow up in an equitable and tolerant society that encourages people to become all that they can be without worrying about what they do in bed.....
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LH423
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IndianGuy

Mon May 14, 2001 11:10 am

It's not about seeing marriage as "just a contract", but ensuring the rights of people. It goes the same for straight, non-married couples as well, that they do not get the same benefits as married couples do, because a legal marriage binds two people together to share property, assets, etc.

This would be the only reason I would ever get married, but personally, I am so saddened by the way so many marriages (including those of my parents and other members of my family) end. In the end if it doesn't work out (which, according to statistics, the majority of American marriages don't), you have a major, uphill legal battle to extricate yourself from this "contract". Nope, not for me. If I do find someone that in the end isn't going to work out, it is a lot easier to sit down, and split up things, versus involving so many third parties (lawyers, judges, counsellors, etc) it could make your head spin.

This is why I am against marriages, but I will admit there are some excellent advantages to having this legal contract, but I would only enter it if I was 100% sure that this person was the person for me, for life.

LH423
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Marco
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RE: Ryanb741

Mon May 14, 2001 12:19 pm

I will read my HOLY book, don't worry about it, that doesn't concern you but show some respect and tolerance yourself, just like you did towards Islam a few weeks ago...remember? Islam also teaches that homosexuality is wrong, like most other religions.
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LH423
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Tue May 15, 2001 8:52 am

Kind of relating to what Marco said, in the paper today there was a little blip on Egyptian officials arresting 30 gay men at a gay wedding, citing indecent acts, or something along those lines. Although I guess it is not illegal by Egyptian law, it is by Islamic, and as they do not have the same separation of church and state as we enjoy, they were rounded up on the grounds of being immoral. Gotta love the Mid-East. So liberal and open-minded it would make G Dubya look like the founder of Greenpeace.

LH423
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Tue May 15, 2001 10:44 am

I say let people do whatever they feel like doing. If they like guys, they like guys, and if they like girls, they like girls. I hear this word a lot in US, but it doesn't mean anything here,if people want to be heterosexuals or homosexuals or trisexuals let them be whatever makes the, happy.
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Marco
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RE: LH423

Tue May 15, 2001 12:25 pm

...they're lucky they weren't in Saudi or else they would have had their heads chopped off!
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Yukee
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Thu May 17, 2001 5:38 pm

It is nice to see so many different kinds of comments on this topic. I feel that some of the users here are
very self-centred. Some of them are old fashioned.
Others are open-minded.
Time keeps on going. Everythings keep on changing.
I wish people who are old fashion minded can update their knowledge, so that they can play along with others.


Yukee @@- tilted glasses
 
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Fri May 18, 2001 11:16 am

Yukee,

Thank you, I couldn't agree more.

Cheers,

mb

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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Fri May 18, 2001 11:26 am

 
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RE: Mx5_boy

Fri May 18, 2001 12:35 pm

I'm glad you agree more with my husband than you do with me  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!

Fri May 18, 2001 12:44 pm

CPDC10-30,

Consider yourself very lucky! Yukee sounds like a very nice and thoughtful guy!

Cheers,

mb

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