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Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Sun May 27, 2001 6:06 pm

Everyone, add Antonio Davis to your lists. Talk about a lame excuse for not wanting to stay in Toronto:

From sportsnet.ca:

Metric system concerns free agent Davis

The big forward says he's concerned his kids' are learning the wrong things in Toronto, making Raptors fans nervous and perhaps further inflaming the sensitive Canadian psyche.

TORONTO -- Antonio Davis is worried. His young children are being taught the metric system and the Canadian national anthem.

Antonio Davis had his best season this year, averaging 13.7 points and 10.1 rebounds a game.

That's not what American children should be learning.

At least, that what the Toronto Raptors' soon-to-be-free-agent all star forward told American syndicated talk show host Jim Rome on Thursday.

“It's just that Canada teaches a lot of different things,” Davis said when asked what he didn't like his 6-year-old twins, Antonio Jr. and Kaela, exposed to.

“You know, the metric system, when they go to school every day and they're singing the national anthem. Some of those things are going to pass as they're kids. As they grow older, there are some different things they need to learn.

“I'm a little worried about it now because they're really starting real school -- first and second and third grades -- and I think those grades are very important in their learning process.”

Raptors general manager Glen Grunwald, who has become a Canadian citizen with his two children, wasn't overly concerned with Davis's comments.

“Tell Antonio that I will volunteer to tutor his kids in pounds and ounces and gallons and pints (if he re-signs),” Grunwald said with a chuckle.

Davis's California-based agent, Bill Duffy, was amazed at the indignant reaction to his client's remarks.

“I can't believe the over-reaction to this,” said Duffy, who also represents Dallas Mavericks star Steve Nash of Victoria. “I heard the interview and I told him (Davis) that it was a great interview.”

He defended Davis's prerogative to judge his children's schooling.

“I think it was fair and not controversial at all,” Duffy said. “I would expect a Canadian living in the U.S. might say the same thing. It wasn't disparagement.”

Davis, 32, has two years left on a seven-year, $35-million US contract but is eligible to become a free agent on July 1 and is looking for a long-term deal in the vicinity of $10 million a season.

“I think my family was happy (in Toronto), but I'm not sure how happy they were,” Davis said. “There was a lot of time that I was worried about them and worried about their situation, the kids in school, the opportunities for my wide to do different things.

“I just need to make sure those things are taken care of first, and then we'll make that decision on whether it's the best thing for us to come back or there's a possibility we'll have to go elsewhere. I think everything else in Toronto is just fine.”

Davis enjoyed his best season as a professional in 2000-2001, averaging 13.7 points and 10.1 rebounds a game in the regular season and becoming a key factor in the Raptors taking the Philadelphia 76ers to Game 7 of the Eastern Conference semifinals before being eliminated from the playoffs.

He said he intends to pursue his free-agency opportunity agressively.

“I don't think there's many times in your career where you have an opportunity for people to really get a chance to see who wants you and what's going on,” Davis said.

“I'm going to do my best to try and keep it open. If I'm here is Toronto, that's fine. If I'm somewhere else, I have to make that change and be ready to do the same thing and continue to play and try to be the best player that I can be.

“I mean, Toronto's not a bad place. I was happy here. I was happy with the team. But if I have to move on, I have to more on.”
 
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Sun May 27, 2001 6:15 pm

The metric system is the work of the devil.

There is a reason why the standard measurments are called Standard
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Sun May 27, 2001 6:50 pm

What a bunch of crap. I don't think he said anything racist about Canada. The fact that he's greedy - yeah, but so is pretty much everyone playing at that level.

L-188 - that's another pile of big steaming bullshit. Metric System is accepted worldwide, except for United States. The fact that it's called standard does not mean shit.
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Sun May 27, 2001 7:07 pm

AN-225, Since when does caring about your kids education count as being racist?

I think being concerned about culture shock and worrying about differences in cirriculum between a US school and a Canadian one is something that a parent should worry one.

And that 1/4 of me that is Canadian is not insulted in the least.

Oh and as far as the nasty metric system goes...You will observe very few aircraft with metric parts on them. They are out there but they are pretty rare. Most companies use standard componets...

There's that word again. There must be a reason it is standard.
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Mon May 28, 2001 1:15 am

That is such a piece of crap it isn't even funny. I as an American would rather learn the metric system(which I have learned) personally, i think it is easier because it is all on the same units. Whereas customary NOT standard is based on a whole bunch of units. In my mind, his is excuse is pure crap and he just wants more money.
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Mon May 28, 2001 1:19 am

L-188, what I meant is that he did not say anything racist about Canada, but he was pounded by press and fans alike, when it shouldn't have been the case. As for aircraft - perhaps, I believe you, but the world uses metric system, except for the US. I still can't get accustomed to it!
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Mon May 28, 2001 1:21 am

Just out of interest, when (if at all) is the US planning to change to metric? It's just that here in the UK it has been a nightmare changing to Metric, although metric obviously makes a lot more sense. We still use miles here though, and I can't see that changing.
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Mon May 28, 2001 1:34 am

Canada changed to the metric system before I was born. Therefore, I have grown up with metric. I think it's a lot easier than imperial (standard, what-have-you). I don't understand all their crazy units and numbers.
 
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Mon May 28, 2001 1:46 am

I'm in same boat as that lousy NBA loser. Everyday, I have to listen to the Americans' "pledge of allegiance". Dammit just tell your kids to do what I do, don't say the words!!! what a jerk.

By the way the "standard" is a bunch of bull-poopy. inch, yard, mile you need all these crazy fractions to convert from one to the other. Metric is so much more logical: 1 kilometre=1000 metres. none of that 1,3XX feet in a mile crap
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Mon May 28, 2001 1:46 am

The old english system is a bunch of crap! I live here in the USA for 7 years and still dont know how many yards are in a mile and how many inches in a yard!
 
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Mon May 28, 2001 2:41 am

I agree with LOT. One of the few things we can agree on.  Big thumbs up
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Mon May 28, 2001 2:48 am

Sad, sad, sad.


Ryanb741: America tried switching to the Metric in the 1970s, a committee was established, but nothing was ever given a timetable, so it slowly dissappeared. I would imagine within the next ten years the US will be making concerted efforts to be in the SI (Système international, or the official name for the Metric system). Already in many states, you will see distances given in feet and metres or miles and kilometres on road signs. It's only a matter of time. I did once find a website put out by the government explaining all the reasons why the US should go Metric, and I believe there is a bill in Congress to install the Metric System.

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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Mon May 28, 2001 4:19 am

Ironically, I think it was Ben Franklin that proposed the metric system in the first place.
 
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Mon May 28, 2001 6:33 am

This article is bullocks. Antonio Davis wants to leave Toronto because he's pissed off at Vince Carter for going to the commencement ceremony, and at the Raptors organization for allowing him to go. Vince carries too much power with the Raptors, just like Grant Hill did with Detroit. When you give one player too much of a say, it's gonna cause some friction. Oakley also wants out for much the same reason, but no other team would be willing to pay him what he will ask for.
 
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Mon May 28, 2001 7:15 am

You can tell that he's after the green. He won't sign with Toronto unless it's a maximum. As much as I admire Grunwald has done with his team in the midseason, he really needs to wake up and not be suckered into believing what the players say. It's bad enough that McGrady left for nothing, it looks as if Davis will be playing alongside McGrady next season. And with Oakley likely gone soon and Carter sure to jump Canada as soon as he's eligeable, he'll only have Peterson in the long run in the worst case. And this is the same guy who rewarded Stewart with a multimillion dollar deal for doing nothing.
 
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Mon May 28, 2001 7:31 am

I've always wondered that. What on earth were they thinking by signing Michael Stewart to a long term contract for big dough!!!??? He played about 30 minutes all of last season and he was healthy!
 
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Mon May 28, 2001 7:39 am

I think he scored about five baskets this year. His shots ought to be the most expensive one out there. What a bust...
 
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Mon May 28, 2001 7:49 am

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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Mon May 28, 2001 8:01 am

The English system might be harder for those who cannot remember simple numbers or do simple math (haha  Wink/being sarcastic), but it is also more applicable to about everything. The sizes of the standard measurements in the English system are better selected for what they will be used to measure in most cases. The English system has "evolved" since the time of the Romans to what it is now, and the very useful and applicable measurements we use today have survived this long time span.

Newer is not always better. Thankfully the United States still uses English units in nearly every circumstance.
 
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Mon May 28, 2001 9:49 am

Both systems are good, it only depends which one your more familar with. The Imperial system is used only in a hanfull of countries around the world while the metric system is used everywhere else, even Star Trek!
 
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Mon May 28, 2001 9:58 am

Hmm. That's funny about American kids not learning Metric. When I was in second grade, we learned Metric and "Imperial" at the same time. (I've never heard it called "Standard.")


BTW, DG_Pilot, you want to attempt to prove what you just said? Sounds like a load of mullarkey to me. "The sizes of the standard measurements in the English system are better selected for what they will be used to measure in most cases."

So, an inch is more appropriate to use than a centimeter in what cases? Gallons is better than Liters? (Hell, what measurement do you use to quantify your sodas?)
 
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Mon May 28, 2001 10:08 am

I think that we made a mistake by not switching to the metric system back in the 70's.
 
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Mon May 28, 2001 10:12 am

While I do prefer C° to F° (but today they seem to be used simultaneously in the US), I'm glad we're using the Standard system and not Metric. We shouldn't switch just because the rest of the world is doing it... our system works perfectly fine.
 
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Mon May 28, 2001 11:07 am

"We shouldn't switch just because the rest of the world is doing it..."

You're right. We should switch because it's a better system.

BTW, if you really want to know how much better Metric is to Imperial units, here's a thought for you: Imperial units are officially defined in terms of their metric counterparts, while the metric system is defined by exact, and simple)scientific reasons:
A gram is how much one milliliter of water weighs (at sea level). (So, a liter of water weight 1 kg.)
A milliter in a cube measures exactly 1 centimeter on a side. (Thus, a meter can be accurately calculated using a bottle of water!)
An inch is OFFICIALLY and exactly 2.54 centimeters.
(There are 36 inches in a yard, and 1760 yards in a mile.)
 
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Mon May 28, 2001 11:09 am

The english system is a bunch of old horse crap! The problem it would take billions of dollars for the USA to fully switch to the metric system.
 
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Mon May 28, 2001 12:00 pm

"The problem it would take billions of dollars for the USA to fully switch to the metric system."

Source?
 
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Mon May 28, 2001 12:06 pm

Maybe it's just me, but I'm amazed at how a thread dealing with NBA player can turn into Metric vs. Imperial war.
 
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Mon May 28, 2001 3:25 pm

BTW, DG_Pilot, you want to attempt to prove what you just said? Sounds like a load of mullarkey to me. "The sizes of the standard measurements in the English system are better selected for what they will be used to measure in most cases."

The English system has followed a process of natural selection. The measurements have been found to be very appropriate for what they are commonly used for. That's how they are still with us today. If they did not work well in everyday life, people did not use them. That should be common sense.

Whereas, a good portion of the metric system was just one day created by some scientist JUST for the reason of filling a sequence of factors of ten.

Don't push your metric bullcrap onto us. That hasn't worked so far, and until we find a reason why it is better then the current U.S. system, we simply will refuse to use it in everyday life.

And for some of the others, use what you want to use and we will use what we want. I don't care--just stay off our backs.
 
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Tue May 29, 2001 2:55 am

DG_Pilot, as expected, you cannot provide an example of a situation in which the imperial system is better than the metric. Natural selection, as you call it, has caused the extinction of Imperial all over the world, except for here in the US. Yep, sounds like a superior system to me. (Remember, France, Germany, and a whole bunch of other countries formerly used this system, and all saw the light.) As for science and engineering, you practically can't do it with the Imperial system: you'll waste all your time in conversions and multiplier constants. What are you studying in school? If it's even partially related to science and engineering, you'll know good and well why metric is so much better than Imperial.

If you can't see the clear advantages to metric, maybe it's time you pull your head out of the sand.
 
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Tue May 29, 2001 4:34 am

In the US both systems are taught. The English (i have never heard it called imperial) system is standard though. We use Metric in all my science classes. In aircraft though, everything is based in terms of nautical miles, feet, gallons, pounds-except celsius is the standard temp scale for aviation, though. I know that airbus does use metric for alot of its measurements on board the aircraft. I have plenty of use in both..and really there is no difference...you have to do bunches of conversions anyways. it is just a matter of using the proper conversion factors. Neither is superior in my opinion.
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Tue May 29, 2001 4:50 am

A person would have to be an utter moron if they cannot understand the metric system.

How hard is it to think in terms to the power of 10?

How many metres in a kilometre? 1000

How many centimetres in a metres? 100

How many centimetres in a kilometres? 100000

How many inches in a mile? Can someone tell me that off the top of their head?

How many grams in a kilogram? 1000

How many kilograms in a tonne? 1000

How many grams in a tonne? 1000000

How many ounces are there in a ton? Can someone tell me that off the top of their head?

The imperial system is an old and mundane way of calculating length, mass, volume, area and capacity.

As I said, anyone who says that metric is too hard, is a moron, because all Americans deal with the basics of the metric system in everyday life, i.e. power of ten.

Have you ever thought how many cents are in a dollar? Or how many 10c are in a dollar? Or how many cents are in $100?

That's right...it is easy to calculate because it is to the power of ten, and you use it every day.

All it takes it for people to realise that, and yes, you too can join the rest of the modern (and even the third) world in the benefits of using the metric system.

Now, if only we can teach you why it is better to drive on the LEFT hand side of the road.
 
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Tue May 29, 2001 5:19 am

16x2000... 32,0000 ounces in a ton. Easy.
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Tue May 29, 2001 5:52 am

Actually, there are only 32,000 ounces in a ton.

But how many inches in a mile?

Why not answer both of them? Or is it a little bit harder having to deal with the Imperial system?
 
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To The Metric Haters In The Audience...

Tue May 29, 2001 6:07 am

DLX is now wearing your collective ass as a hat and he looks quite good in it. Give up now and save yourself (and your countrymen!) further embarassment. Really now, defending a system of measurement where one of the units is derived from the length of three barleycorns lined up end to end (the inch) and another is based on the approximate distance from one's thumb held at arm's length to one's nose (the yard). I'd laugh except that I think there is enough fun being made of us by the rest of the world for being so backwards.
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Tue May 29, 2001 6:14 am

Neither system is hard.

Why in the hell would you want to know those anyway Brissie? Besides, if you did, it does not take a genius to figure them out.

People (like some on here) anxious to piss Americans off by shoving the metric system in our face will never get anywhere.

Yes, we use the metric system in science, but in everyday life it is a different matter. Why do some people care anyway?






 
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Tue May 29, 2001 8:09 am

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Ain't getting old, ain't getting younger though
Just getting used to the lay of the land
I ain't tongue-tied, just don't got nothin' to say
I'm proud to be livin' in the U.S.A.
Ready to go, willin' to stay and pay
U.S.A., U.S.A.
So my sweet love can dance another free day
U.S.A., U.S.A.

In history we painted pictures grim
The devil knows we might feel that way again
The big wind blows so the tall grass bends
But for you don't push too hard my friend

Ready to go, willin' to stay and pay
U.S.A., U.S.A.
So my sweet wife can dance another free day
U.S.A., U.S.A.

Got people here down on their knees and prayin'
Hawks and doves are circlin' in the rain
Got rock and roll, got country music playin'
If you hate us, you just don't know what you're sayin'

Ready to go, willin' to stay and pay
U.S.A., U.S.A.
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Tue May 29, 2001 8:49 am

DG_Pilot

Don't turn this into one of your famous "You are anti-American" bullshit threads.

Why would anyone need to know how many inches are in a mile?

Dunno, but in the case that someone does need to know it, how difficult it is to multiple in your head this equation:

12 inches = 1 foot
3 feet = 1 yard
1760 yards = 1 mile

Do the calculation IN YOUR HEAD:

12 x 3 x 1760

I can tell you that a very very small section of the population would know that there 63,360 inches in a mile.

Can you tell me how many centimetres are in a kilometre?

Easy to calculate in your head

100 centimetres = 1 metre
1000 metres = 1 kilometres

100 x 1000

Therefore, 100,000 centimetres in a kilometre.

The metric system is a piss easy way to break large units of length, mass, etc into smaller units, whereas the imperial is cumbersome and harder to do that.

What do I care?

I couldn't give a fat rat's if the Yanks are behind the rest of the world in this.

Education is no problem, because as long as kids are taught in school their multiplication tables, they will have no problem picking this up. Like I said, only a total moron would have problems in dealing with the metric system (in that case, Alabama can stick with the imperial system).

But why, may I ask is there such resistance to change?

Could it be because the metric system is a system devised by the French?  Insane
 
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RE: Another Greedy Pro Athlete...

Thu May 31, 2001 8:43 pm

Oddly enough I can't think of the last time I needed to know how many inches where in a statute mile.

I'll tell you what pisses me off....

My 81 pickup.

The engine (300)was made in Canada and has all standard see there is that word again...standard but the body panels which where made in the US are all Metric! I have to have two sets of wrenches to work on the damm thing!!!

I had a math teacher last fall who blames the metric system for our kids having lousy fraction skills. That is because there was no need to know fractions for measurements like you do in English measure because we where going to use the metric system.

Besides think about this....

A Texas Sherriff typically wears a 10 gallon cowboy hat as part as his uniform.

There are approximatly 4 litres(Liters?) to a gallon.

I just wouldn't be able to stand the sight of one of them running around in a 40 litre hat!.
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