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Why Do People Hate Microsoft?

Thu Jun 28, 2001 2:20 am

It seems to me to be jealousy. Not only of his wealth, but more of his "dominance" of the PC market.

However, why is this? If people didn't like MS. Why does it control approx. 90% of all OS' in the world.????

Hmm.. What else to write?

Well I support MS> Without it, you must admit, the comptuer wouldn't be as global and expansive as it is today. So there you have it. Like it or not, I think MS is the "centre" of the computer and internet revolution

Good for Bill Gates

(now can I have my bribe?)
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RE: Why Do People Hate Microsoft?

Thu Jun 28, 2001 3:16 am

People hate Microsoft for similar reasons for hating the United States - being the biggest and boasting to be the "best". I tolerate both...it is kind of counter-productive not to.

Most MS software is OK, but it is funny that their web services are now possibly being run off linux  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Why Do People Hate Microsoft?

Thu Jun 28, 2001 3:19 am

Heh.

MS software is horrid buggy bloated crap.

Is the car with the most, best, latest, useful features the one that sells the most? No.

Just because 90% of the world uses it does not make it the best.
 
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RE: Why Do People Hate Microsoft?

Thu Jun 28, 2001 4:03 am

>Just because 90% of the world uses it does not make it the best

I guess you're right. Its the best because it is from Seattle.  Big grin

I say to everyone who is anti-Microsoft and wants it broken up by the feds: lay off....
 
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Jarod

Thu Jun 28, 2001 5:14 am

Well it seems mr. Jared can develop an OS which can run all of the softwere currently available bug free...... Don't crisitsize something that you dont understand. If it wasn't for microsoft you wouldn't be on the internet today.
 
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RE: Jarod

Thu Jun 28, 2001 5:25 am

Microsoft did nothing to develop the internet, but they have sucessfully promoted it.
 
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RE: Why Do People Hate Microsoft?

Thu Jun 28, 2001 5:50 am

Can anyone tell me what the meaning behind the "Microsoft" name is?

Let's see....the prefix "Micro" means small or tiny. And the suffix "soft" means...well...soft, or opposite of "hard".

Does that mean that Microsoft is "small" and "soft"?

Hardly!

No, seriously, where in the world did that name come from?
 
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RE: Why Do People Hate Microsoft?

Thu Jun 28, 2001 5:57 am

You're right about Micro- small. But ''soft'' is as in ''software'', which Microsoft originally specialized in.

Small software.

I think.

I'll run up to Bill's house right now and ask him- its only a few miles away.  Big grin
 
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RE: Why Do People Hate Microsoft?

Thu Jun 28, 2001 6:14 am

Yes I thihn it is because MS is the biggest. And you're right

"Is the car with the most, best, latest, useful features the one that sells the most? No.

Just because 90% of the world uses it does not make it the best."

So Jared: Why do 90% of the world use it?

My explanation. THe software is reliable (up to a point that is), and is at the forefront of it's kind. It maybe a bit expensive (in the UK anyway), but if 90% of the people in the world are prepared to pay that much, they must be doing something right.
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RE: Why Do People Hate Microsoft?

Thu Jun 28, 2001 6:17 am

I don't hate Microsoft. In fact, if it wasn't for the MS/Intel monopolies, I would be rather pissed off. After all, they brought something very useful to the PC market: standardization.

I (vaguely) remember the times when we had DOS6.2 and Win3.11 on a computer. We had three different settings to choose from in booting up DOS - one for each game installed on the computer, as all had different memory requirements. It was messy, to say the least.

Windows might be the ultimate tool in allowing illiterate people to use computers (all you need is look at pictures and icons etc.), but it is damn useful if you want to play games, or even work. It gives a standard base that 90% of all software is compatible to.

One of the reasons why it took me very long to actually buy a 3D-graphics card was the lack of a common standard that all games work with....

That said, while I like Windows (despite the crashes) and Excel, I HATE Word. Why can't everyone use a proper word processor, like WordPerfect?

Regards

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RE: Why Do People Hate Microsoft?

Thu Jun 28, 2001 6:17 am

Let's go back in time a shoot bill gates before he founded microsoft. The PC's as we know them today would never have existed. This likely means that MAC would have taken over, and everyone knows what a nightmare that would be......seeing a sticker with an apple on it stampted on every computer.
 
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RE: Why Do People Hate Microsoft?

Thu Jun 28, 2001 6:30 am

So what if it's a little buggy, it runs 90% of the time, and like any of you could code a better product and still be this user friendly (compared to DOS)
 
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RE: Why Do People Hate Microsoft?

Thu Jun 28, 2001 7:30 am

The REAL question is:

Does people hate Microsoft or Bill Gates?

Think of it...

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RE: Why Do People Hate Microsoft?

Thu Jun 28, 2001 7:54 am

Why would people hate microsoft because of Bill Gates? He's not the president of Microsoft anymore, nor is he the richest man in the world (according to my last update). I think its because of Microsoft's anti-competitiveness that pisses a lot of people off, the fact that they were growing bigger and bigger every day. I dont really care anymore. I hate their software, but there is nothing anyone can do that will really make a difference.
 
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RE: Why Do People Hate Microsoft?

Thu Jun 28, 2001 8:01 am

Heh.

I can do just fine without MS in fact I don't have a piece of MS software on my computer.

I could use an apple computer with mac os, I could use pc hardware and run linux. I am a big supporter of both actually, and I use both. Windows and any MS piece of software I have ever used has been buggy, bloated, etc.

"So Jared: Why do 90% of the world use it?"

Because it is given to them and they feel it is adequate.

I use netscape. I absolutely hate IE. Most people probably use IE, why? Because it comes standard as the default on computers. Macs ship with IE as the default actually and Windows well we all know about that fiasco.

I don't "hate" MS, I just do not use their software because I don't like it.

I don't hate Bill Gates, I again just don't use his products because I don't like them.
 
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RE: Why Do People Hate Microsoft?

Thu Jun 28, 2001 8:02 am

Actually I heard on the radio today or on tv that Gates has in fact taken back the crown as the richest man at $58 billion.
 
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RE: Why Do People Hate Microsoft?

Thu Jun 28, 2001 8:21 am

Mac and Linux is good if your into spreadsheats, pie charts and word processing. IE is better than netscape, that is why people use it. It is just as available as IE on the internet, yet few people use it. If Windows really did suck as much as you say it does, wouldn't have softwere producers converted to Mac OS when desigining their softwere a long time ago?

Im sure Mac OS and Linus run virtually bug free, but thats because just about nothing is compatible with them.
 
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RE: Why Do People Hate Microsoft?

Thu Jun 28, 2001 9:01 am

I don't use spreadsheets, pie charts or word process, well a little of the last one.

I don't believe IE is better than netscape.

"Im sure Mac OS and Linus run virtually bug free, but thats because just about nothing is compatible with them."

Lots to learn. You would be surprised with the amount of support both Mac OS and variations of Linux both enjoy.

90% of people are fine with mediocrity.
 
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RE: Why Do People Hate Microsoft?

Thu Jun 28, 2001 9:47 am

A LOT more people use Windows than anything else. By the way, there are a lot more cockroaches than humans.

Jared is right about Mediocrity. The best selling American car is the Ford Escort. LMAO!!!!!

Windows has lots of users, not because it is the best, but because Gates is a genius and knows exactly how much of a shitty product the market will tolerate.

By the way, Macs aren't just for schools and graphics anymore. They can do anything a PC can do. And I don't know much about Linux, but I've heard good things about it. Thanks to the popularity of the iMac, software companies are foolish to neglect that market. There are plenty of titles for MacOS.
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RE: Why Do People Hate Microsoft?

Thu Jun 28, 2001 4:37 pm

Jared just killed the entire justice department's case against Microsoft. He doesn't use any Microsoft products - Ergo, consumers DO have a choice. If your PC comes preinstalled with Windows and MS Office, you are free to reformat your hard disk and install Linux or whatever.

The case against Microsoft is just jealousy on the part of some liberals who don't like to see a company or a person become enormously successful in business, and his competitors who were not smart enough to think of what Gates thought of before him.

In the early days, Apple got too greedy, and refused to license out their technology and architecture to other manufacturers. If you wanted to run Apple-compatible software, you had to buy an Apple. IBM got this right, and as a result IBM clones became the standard (although IBM was too top-heavy to be competitive).

IBM dropped the ball early on, thinking that the IBM name would bring them all the customers because of their brand name. Wrong again.

Had Apple and IBM done the right things, Microsoft would simply be a software supplier, like Corel and Symantec.

Do you think that Apple or IBM would be "kinder and gentler" if they had come out on top? Hell, no! They would have milked it for all that it's worth.

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RE: Why Do People Hate Microsoft?

Thu Jun 28, 2001 4:53 pm

Cfalk brings up the BIG historical point.

Bill Gates had the foresight to see that the money was in selling and licensing software. IBM believed it was in the hardware... Bill gets a sweet deal licensing MS-DOS to IBM, and later everyone else.

Steve Jobs, probably just as visionary as Bill, but in a different way, wanted to control everything. He needed to control the software and hardware. Lets say that in 1984 Jobs decided to license MacOS things would have been VERY different then. The PC market was still in its infancy and Apple was the dominant player in the market. But MacOS remains proprietary, Macs remain expensive for the next 10 years, Wintel based PCs take off.

Regardless of Bill Gate's and Microsoft's business practices... whether or not you could call them anti-competitive I don't know since I haven't followed the entire case, were a lot smarter. They had the ability to find new technologies and trends and successfully market them.

I personally don't hate Microsoft... I feel that some of the software could be better, like that annoying autoformat feature in Word. But I have also heard Microsoft might actually become a better company and make better software should they be broken up.
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RE: Singapore_Air

Thu Jun 28, 2001 11:53 pm

Here is a more valid question:

Other than the licesnce for windows that came with your PC, has anyone here actually PURCHASED microsoft software for their home use? I certainly can't think of anyone who has.
 
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RE: Why Do People Hate Microsoft?

Fri Jun 29, 2001 12:33 am

Yes

Microsoft Office 97
Microsoft Flight Simulator 98
Microsoft Combat Simulator 1
Um....
That's it as far as I can remember.

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Breaking News

Fri Jun 29, 2001 2:04 am

A court has overturned a "partial" verdict. Microsoft has won a "significant victory", however they are still guilty of stuff.
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RE: Why Do People Hate Microsoft?

Fri Jun 29, 2001 5:11 am

Why does everybody talk about Bill Gates and Microsoft and are we forgetting that, if I'm correct, Steve Ballmer is the one with the programming brains while Bill Gates is someone who knows how to sell it (okay je also knows a lot about programming)?

Anyway, the Appeals Court also concluded that MS tried illegally to maintain its position as a monopoloy. Thus Microsoft isn't that nice company they pretend to be.

Regards
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RE: Why Do People Hate Microsoft?

Fri Jun 29, 2001 9:36 am

I am a Microsoft shareholder, so I am certainly bound to be biased in the DOJ case.

However, even I have to admit that you can almost here the insects buzzing when using their software. They have such market dominance that they really don't care anymore if their products actually work or not. Yes, the Windows OS is very intuitive, and I guess I really can't complain about its bugs. However, I/my father have bought other Microsoft software, and just about every product has been full of bugs. If they claim a product is leading edge, think of it as "bleeding edge."

But no, I don't hate Microsoft.
 
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RE: Why Do People Hate Microsoft?

Fri Jun 29, 2001 7:26 pm

I've made a mistake in my previous post. Where i said Steve ballmer i should have said paul Allan of course.

BTW does anybody know what paul Allan is doing nowadays??
 
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RE: Why Do People Hate Microsoft?

Sat Jun 30, 2001 2:16 am

AFAIK, he still works for MS.


Now then, on to the topic at hand. I love what was said earlier. ANYONE who says MS makes great software clearly knows very little about computers, clearly does not use them on a regular basis, and is clearly content with meiocrity.

If you are someone like me, who fixes computers all the time (though not professionally, just so you know) then you will know that 99.9% of the problems that require fixing are a direct result of windows' crappiness. Someone said earlier that MS software works "90% of the time". That is a huge overstatement. I can say I probably use computers FAR more than anybody on this board; and I can tell you, MS software DOES NOT work 90% of the time.

Lets see...what else? Oh yes, patches. MS knows there are problems with their software. When they come up with fixes, they CHARGE you for them! YOU have to pay to fix THEIR mistakes! How anyone can defend such a practice is beyond me.

The charges brought against MS have nothing to do with liberals who don't like to see people being sucessful. That's just silly. There are clear-cut reasons to show their anti-competetive nature. When purchasing windows you MUST also purchase IE. They are using their already strong marketshare to force products upon users. With so many people already using MS software, it's not like the whole world can just stop using windows....

I'm sure I can think of more things, but that will do for now.
 
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RE: Why Do People Hate Microsoft?

Sat Jun 30, 2001 9:23 pm

Transactoid, if you say you are using computers more than most people, what line of work are you in? If you don't care to disclose that we cannot judge the value of your claims that Microsoft software does not work...
Myself, working in software development, I use computers (most of them running some form of Windows) for up to 20 hours a day. I have my share of crashes (everyone does), but those I can invariably back to either some 3rd party software or to the hardware. You cannot blame Microsoft if your computer goes down because a stick of RAM that has core OS routines loaded in it decides to quit (as happened to me last week, leaving me with only 384MB).
In my personal experience, Windows works better than other OSs, especially OS/2 (half an OS, what a name...) and linux (tried several distros, several releases on several systems, none were as stable as Windows 2000 or Windows 95 on the same machine).
Microsoft software has its flaws, and you may not like all the features. But remember that it was written for massconsumption, so it is unlikely everyone will like all of it.

As to the name Microsoft: at the time (yes, kids. It is time for a history lesson) PCs were known as Microcomputers. The company Bill Gates e.a. were setting up to market their BASIC interpreter (DOS was not their first product, though it is the one they became famous for) the became a software company.
Therefore a logical name (I wonder why noone else had thought of it before) was MICROcomputer SOFTware, or MicroSoft for short.
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Jwenting

Sun Jul 01, 2001 1:14 am

I don't work in any computer-related field. I am however, the local computer "guru" always being called on to fix peoples' problems. The vast majority of times, it's problems with windows or other MS products (Office comes to mind).

Yes, I acknowledge that many crashes are a result of hardware problems or glitches in other 3rd party software. Obviously MS software cannot be blamed in these instances. I also do a fair share of C programming (again, not professionally in any manner) so I can empathize with the programmers. I'm not blaming them or saying THEY do a crappy job. What bothers me about MS is their attitude towards their product. They should not release a product until it is fully working; they are too complacent in their market position.

...and what bothers me more than anything else, and as I mentioned in my previous post, is the fact that they CHARGE for upgrades. Upgrades which are in fact nothing more than patches. Upgrades that users SHOULD NOT have to pay for.

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