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Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Wed Jul 04, 2001 5:02 am

Was he?
 
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Wed Jul 04, 2001 5:04 am

Go ahead and share you views as to whether he was a good or bad President for the US.

Any comments are welcome!
 
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Wed Jul 04, 2001 5:45 am

Seperate the obvious from the other obvious, he was pretty good. For the under-oath lie, he should have had a huge fine or jailterm after his presidency rather than impeachment.
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Wed Jul 04, 2001 5:48 am

Don't know enough about him domestically, lot's of compromises?
Internationally, he grew after the Middle East Peace Process began at Camp David in 1993.
But was he good? Good entertainment that's for sure!
 
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Wed Jul 04, 2001 5:57 am

He is one of America's greatest Presidents. I am proud to say that I voted for him in 1992 and 1996 in both primarys and general elections. I meet him as well as Hillary & Chelsea at a Democratic party fund raiser here in San Francisco about 3 years ago. Very fascinating people indeed.
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Wed Jul 04, 2001 5:58 am

You actually have to ask that question?
 
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Wed Jul 04, 2001 6:03 am

Clinton was/is a good politician. That's as far as I will go. If someone asked me if I wanted another president like him, I would say 'no'. Here's why:

Clinton took crookedness and deception to a whole new level in Presidents. There was no shame. He lowered the bar for future politicians. That's why I'm so glad GW won. He can hopefully reverse that.

Clinton divided the country BADLY!!! We weren't Americans, but Liberals and Conservatives. Not good! I'm glad that crap is almost over.

Good Things Clinton Did:
He discredited militant feminism by getting NOW to back him over rape charges and sexual harassment, and proved what a hypocritical joke they are.
He gave us a Republican Congress
He set social healthcare back lightyears (Hillary did most of the work there)
He proved Reagan's trickle-down theory works
He kept Al Gore out of the Oval Office
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Wed Jul 04, 2001 7:29 am

Ok thanks for your replies!

N400QX, what was wrong with the question?
 
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Wed Jul 04, 2001 12:27 pm

Bill Clinton will go down as an average president. Not way above average, not way below. Around where Ronald Reagan is, believe it or not.  Smile

Had he not had his personal vices that are so well-know, I think he would be rated a far above average president, simply because of his stewardship of the economy-which, yes, he must share some credit with the Republican Congresses that he did battle/made policy with. Those vices cannot be just ignored, but they cannot overshadow that he had a successful presidency despite all the obstacles that were put in his way.

If you could only Package Clinton's brilliant mind, with Carter's goodness, and Reagan's eternal American optimism, you'd have the perfect president.
 
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Wed Jul 04, 2001 12:34 pm

JetService, I think in this case you have to give a LOT of credit to the GOP for dividing the country badly, and not just lop it all on Clinton's lap (no pun's, please!). It was the GOP who, from the SECOND he was elected-not from the second he was sworn in, but the second he was elected-who started this nonstop 8 year campaign of lies, smears, and innuendo against the Clinton's. Clinton just wasn't smart enough not to hand them extra ammo. It is the GOP who is constantly harping on the "Conservative" versus "Liberal" theme, not the other way around. All you have to do is listen to the daily drivel on talk radio to understand that.

That's not to say Clinton didn't have a hand in it-he certainly did, but to exonerate the other side for any political sins is to put blinders on. To this day, you can't turn on talk radio like Rush, and not hear at leat one or two mentions a week about Bill and Hillary. They hate the guy, but apparently life under George II isn't as exciting!  Smile
 
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Wed Jul 04, 2001 1:10 pm

Good President, sorry excuse for a man.
I did not vote for him based simply on the fact that if a man does not take the most sacred vow he could ever take, "I promise to forsake all others", seriously what kind of man is he?
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Wed Jul 04, 2001 1:44 pm

Bill Clinton was the best President since Jimmy Carter. That's not saying much, but he was a big improvement over Ray-gun and Bush.

He is very intelligent and represented the US well in front of the world stage. However, he didn't have any major challenges (other than his personal troubles) in his eight years and the economy was a good friend to him.

If the US didn't have the term restriction, he'd probably be in for another eight years, no matter what the rad right here will say.
 
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Wed Jul 04, 2001 1:58 pm

CPDC10-30:
I agree 100%. That's exactly what I said in the 'Fav. US Prez' thread.

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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Wed Jul 04, 2001 2:04 pm

Okay, here is what I'll say, he was a very good president, but he bought a bad image to the American govt. I would not vote for him ever. If he wasn't involved in the scandal, I would have voted for him again (if I could have voted  Laugh out loud )
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RE: Superfly

Wed Jul 04, 2001 2:10 pm

Isn't it better when the beer doesn't taste like tap water with a bit of wood thrown in?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy I'm glad you're enjoying the real stuff.

Thanks for the wishes of a happy Canada day...I hope you folks enjoy your day tommorow. But Nicolaki and I are proud to count you and LH423 as honourary Canadians  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

 
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Wed Jul 04, 2001 2:17 pm

Actually I have been named honourary Canadian by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson of RUSH when I met them about 10 years ago. I also have friends in Vancouver, London and Toronto.

But thanks CPDC10-30!  Big thumbs up

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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Wed Jul 04, 2001 11:10 pm

CPDC10-30, Jimmy Carter is a very good man, but he was NOT a very good president. Maybe it's because of the Hostage Crisis that turned him into a virtual recluse in the White House, but his presidency didn't exactly inspire confidence. Despite that, had he been able to resolve the Hostage situation before the election, he would have won a 2nd term, and we never would have had to put up with the childish one-liners of Mr. Reagan.
 
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Thu Jul 05, 2001 3:07 am

Before you go blasting the GOP for hurting Clinton remember that the overwhelming majority of Americans voted for the Republican party in 1994. How else were they able to take over the House and Senate? Military coup?

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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Thu Jul 05, 2001 6:21 am

Correction Pilot1113:
Less than 40% of all registered voters voted in the 1994 election cycle. The republicans that did win were in very tight races.

Alpha1:
I agree with you but I think the hostage crisis was solved by Carter. There were some American hostages that were freed immediatly in 1979 during the revolution in Iran. Ray-gun and company delayed the release in favor of weapons. Isn't that what Iran Contra was all about?
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Thu Jul 05, 2001 6:40 am

Isn't it interesting how the Dems blast Bush and Co. for doing what any respectable American would do-namely buy influence?

Bush seems to be in bed with the likes of the NRA and the Oil/Energy companies. Lots of money changed hands in exchange for favors.

Clinton and Gore did what any respectable American would do-namely buy influence.

Only instead of the NRA and the Oil companies, Clinton and Gore sold out to the likes of Hollywood, Chinese Buddhist temples, the ACLU, and various environmental venues. Lots of money changed hands in exchange for favors.

Completely different, right?
 
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Thu Jul 05, 2001 8:42 am

>>Less than 40% of all registered voters voted in the
>>1994 election cycle. The republicans that did win
>>were in very tight races.

Less than 40% of all registered voters vote in any election. That happens every election.

I'm sorry, but I don't see your point here. Maybe *gasp* we agree that the Republicans were (dare I say it?) elected.  Big grin

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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Thu Jul 05, 2001 4:15 pm

Thank God for Hollywood, Chinese Buddhist temples, the ACLU, and various environmental venues.

Ted Kennedy is one of the most brilliant and competent US Senators.
Pilot1113, you should be proud to have Ted Kennedy as your Senator.  Smile



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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Thu Jul 05, 2001 9:40 pm

Actually, Pilot1113, many people believe they tried a kind of coup-it was the impeachment. An impeachment over something that most Americans, with the exception of the right-wing Clinton-haters thought was absolutely unnecessary. It has less to do with "high crimes and misdemeanors" than it did with the GOP's hatred of Bill Clinton, and their desire to bring him down any way they could. His only problem was that he was stupid enough to hand them some ammunition.
 
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Thu Jul 05, 2001 9:49 pm

The impeachment of young billy a coup???

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That is funny....I am going to be chuckling about that all day...Thank you.

It ranks right up there with the preson who described Teddy as a "Competent Senator". He should have been prosecuted for manslaugher years ago. Getting that poor girl drowned...That is a horrible way to die.
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Thu Jul 05, 2001 9:56 pm

Yeah, and the GOP is FULL of great people, like Jesse Helms, Newt Gingrich, Bob Barr and Tom Delay-they're real great Americans, too, with their hatreds of so many peoples and things. Those three make Teddy look like a saint.

You've been listening to the GOP propoganda way too long in your young life, L-188. Are you a big fan of that propoganda machine, Rush Limbaugh?  Smile
 
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Thu Jul 05, 2001 10:02 pm

L-188, you can do your smart-ass laugh all you want. The fact that that's all you could do tells me that you don't have any original thought on the subject anyways. Most Americans, including myself, think what Clinton did was inappropriate, but most think it fell far short of "high crimes and misdemeanors" that is needed to impeach a president. All it ended up being was an embarrassment for all parties involved-including the Republicans, who came off looking like a bunch of hateful people. But that's what many of them are, so I guess it was right on par for them.
 
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Thu Jul 05, 2001 10:11 pm

Actually I haven't heard a Rush show in about 5 years. So I doubt I count as a Rush deciple.

Actually I am more of an Art Bell listener.....

You are correct.......Screwing around on one's wife is dispicable but does not meet that "high crimes" threshold. I have my own personal reasons for not holding a high opinion of people who do that, but I am aware that does not make a criminal case.

Didn't think I would say that did you...:D

What does do that is Bill giving false statements to a grand jury under oath. I am not convinced that he did not attempt to convince others to perjur their testamony either.

If you or I attempted to do either of those acts to a grand jury or a court, we would have been hung out to dry.

And Billy should be held to the same standards we are.

I don't thing holding politicians to the same standard we would be is unreasonable.
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Thu Jul 05, 2001 10:14 pm

If you really feel that way, and I will give you the benefit of the doubt, then at least have the decency to spell his name right. That isn't too much to ask, no matter what you feel about him. If you can do that for someone like Milosovic, you can do it for Clinton.
 
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Thu Jul 05, 2001 10:15 pm

Hi Alpha,

The high crimes and misdemeaners was not getting a blowjob in the oval office. It was about lying. The people who pushed for impeachment knew he was lying, and Clinton made it worse by lying under oath - a crime in every civilized country. The fact that he survived it, in spite of his clear guilt and having broken the law (everybody knew it), which he as chief executive is sworn to obey and uphold, shows how powerfully charismatic he was, (and how little respect Americans have for the rule of law when it doesn't suit them).

Nixon did the same thing - he lied, got caught, and resigned over it. Clinton lied, got caught, and talked his way out of it.

Are you saying Nixon got a bum rap?

Charles
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Thu Jul 05, 2001 10:20 pm

Oh yeah, I nearly forgot. Whitewater was an issue where he scraped by as well. People went to jail to protect Clinton (he later pardoned them). There was enough evidence to keep a special prosecutor busy for years, although with all the destroyed records and a morté (sp?) policy of silence of his entourage, they never got enough to take him to court.

But that was true of Al Capone as well. Do you really think he was clean over Whitewater?

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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Thu Jul 05, 2001 10:20 pm

The only reason Milo got his name spelled right is that I had to look up somebody else's post to get the name right.

Sorry about the K thing but clinton earned that one in my book....

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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Thu Jul 05, 2001 10:37 pm

Bill Clinton lied to "cover up" a personal disgression. Richard Nixon lied to cover up an actual crime committed on behalf of his presidency. Nixon got what he deserved, IMHO. Double standard? I don't think so. To make what Clinton did "impeachable" was laughable. It was a bunch of bitter Republicans simply having an opportunity to get rid of a man that the American people had the audacity to elect twice over a Republican.

As for Whitewater, what a joke. The Clinton's lost their shirt financially, what was it-like $75,000 on the deal, yet Mr. Starr spen $50 million investigating it!! Whitewater was another GOP attepmpt to get rid of Clinton any way they can. But what do you expect from people who still think Vince Foster and Ron Brown were murdered?
 
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Thu Jul 05, 2001 10:41 pm

But that was $75,000 that he should not have made, right?
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Thu Jul 05, 2001 10:42 pm

L-188, the only reason he "earned that one" in your book is you hold on to petty hatreds too long. He's gone, let it go, for goodness sake!
 
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Thu Jul 05, 2001 10:48 pm

Cfalk, so becasue he's wasn't astute on that transaction, and should have MADE $75,000, we're going to hound him for 8 years and spend $50 million looking into it? How is that worth such an investigation?
 
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Thu Jul 05, 2001 11:09 pm

No.....It is because I have seen firsthand the SHIT people do to their families when they screw around.

My disrespect for people that do that is pretty universal and non-partisan.
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Thu Jul 05, 2001 11:14 pm

Ah, and because of that, you'll hold your petty hatred against someone you've never met forever, right? It's in the past, man. Get beyond it, already.
 
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Thu Jul 05, 2001 11:17 pm

I never said I hated them...I just lose a hell of a lot of respect for them.
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Thu Jul 05, 2001 11:25 pm

Your invective against him comes off as hatred of the man. I couldn't stand Ronald Reagan or Richard Nixon-I think they were terrible presidents. That's my opinion, but despite the fact I did not respect them, I still have the respect for the office they held by calling them by a proper name, not one that comes off as a slur. I even saw Reagan speek in person once.  Smile
 
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Fri Jul 06, 2001 10:19 pm

He was OK.
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Sat Jul 07, 2001 12:00 am

I don't think he was the best president, but he was definately one of the better ones. If you think about it, he didn't have to deal with anything huge except for the Isreal/Palestine relations. Also, yeah he covered up the Monica scandal. But if you were the present and you had sex with her(not that i would) would you lie to coverup and still remain in office? I would.
He did major work on the economy as when he was elected the economy was terrible but he raised it and as CPDC10-30 said " The economy was his friend." Now Bush is faced with the same problem and I wonder if he will raise the economy. Who knows.
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Sat Jul 07, 2001 2:09 am

I think he was awfull even though i know all these crazy libs are going to jump on my back! I don't care! He was a horrible moral leader! A president is supposed to rule the country with the power god gives him. That does NOT include lying! Clinton is going down south, to the waaaaaay far south. I just can't believe he isn't in prison! If i got caught lying under oath i'd get a huge fine and be sent to prison most likely! But hey hes Clinton and why shouldn't he get special treatment! As for Gore in his book he writes we should all have small little cars (But wait watch him in his Navigator Limo and all the huge caddillacs and SUV. Hey why not! We should suffer so he gets the goods.
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Sat Jul 07, 2001 8:55 am

Hey Matt D. i'd rather have a president controlled by actors and monks, rather than oil companies and gun toting maniacs. Just my opinion.....
 
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Sat Jul 07, 2001 10:44 am

Hell No!!!
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Sat Jul 07, 2001 10:49 am

LOT767-300ER-

What makes me wonder is why you base you entire oppinion of Bill Clinton on one thing that he did. He was president for 8 YEARS! You could consider international realtions and such.
 
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Sat Jul 07, 2001 12:02 pm

LOT, American's aren't "Ruled". Maybe they're "ruled" in Poland, since democracy, aside from Britian and France, doesn't have much of a history. As for moral leadership, yes, he was lacking in some morals, but don't make it sound like his leadership was conferred from God Almighty. It was conferred on him by the American people, who elected him twice over the more "moral" Republican candidates.

The conservatives are always saying it doesn't take a villiage to raise a child-that's it's the parent's responsibility. Well, guess what? It's not Clinton's job to teach us about morals, in my view. It's his job to preach to us about morals-that's the job of our religious leaders. It's not his job to set an example for my children-I'M responsible for that. His job is to be steward of the country, and in that regard, he was above average-not great, but not poor. If you want moral preaching, go listen to a blowhard like Jerry Falwell.
 
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Sat Jul 07, 2001 12:04 pm

Flight 152, LOT and his ilk were bashing Clinton BEFORE he ever took the oath the first time, so why should they change their drivel now. The love to hate the man; they're obsessed with him and Hillary; they can't live without them! Mr. Bush isn't as exciting!!  Smile
 
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Sat Jul 07, 2001 12:10 pm

Why was this rule brought in restricting presidents to two terms? I understand it only dates back about 50 years.
If it wasn't in place, and if you believe Bill's approval ratings, guess who would still be in the White House.
 
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Sat Jul 07, 2001 12:17 pm

GDB, it was put into effect in the 50's by the Republicans as a way to keep someone like Franklin Roosevelt from embarrassing them election after election!  Smile

Of course, they made a half-hearted attempt to repeal that law in the mid-80's, when Mr. Reagan was President. They didn't get very far.
 
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RE: Was Bill Clinton A Good President?

Sat Jul 07, 2001 1:25 pm

Alpha, you are so obsessed with Clinton's personal life, that you are totally blind to the real issues of the impeachment. Get over the sex thing and look at the real issue. Man! Leave the man's personal life to him and his family. It's his own personal business! Focus on the corruption of the legal system that affects us all!!! Lying under oath to a Federal Grand Jury is the issue. And YES! The president SHOULD lead by example there. He deserved to be impeached! You say Nixon got what he deserved and Clinton got the shaft? Come on! Nixon was caught covering up a petty crime commited by other people. Clinton commited his own crime. PERJURY!!! At least Nixon had the decency to resign from an otherwise good presidency. Don't embarrass yourself any longer. A Clinton-apologist is a lonely job anymore.
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