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Now Peta Attacks Scouts...Unbelievable

Thu Jul 19, 2001 2:57 am

Anti-fishing crusade doesn't hold water

Lew Freedman
Chicago Tribune Sports Reporter


The No. 1 enemy of outdoorsmen everywhere is going after the Boy Scouts.

The organization People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals has added a new target to its intolerance list. PETA is campaigning to "demerit fishing," to convince the Boy Scouts of America to eliminate merit badges for fishing and fish and wildlife management.

Why?

Because fish have feelings. Because boys who kill animals in their youth might grow up to become killers of human beings. Because if PETA had its way, the world would subsist on carrot sticks.

Give me a break.

Just more rubbish from the extremist animal-rights group that despises fishing and hunting, opposes the existence of circuses and dog mushing, can't stomach trappers and would prefer that we all become vegans rather than let a morsel of meat pass our lips.

PETA ran advertising urging college students to drink beer instead of milk because farmers are exploiting cows. PETA wishes to eliminate the use of lab rats in medical experiments that could cure cancer or other debilitating diseases because PETA believes "a rat is a pig is a boy." This is an outfit of misguided passion and compassion.

So these are the kind of people with whom we are dealing. You wonder if they suffer from a protein deficiency from skipping all of those steaks.

The latest boggling crusade began in mid-March when PETA announced it feels the pain of fish caught by Boy Scouts seeking to earn two types of merit badges.

Dawn Carr of PETA sent a letter to Milton Ward, president of the Boy Scouts of America in Irving, Texas.

In part, she wrote, "Encouraging scouts to put hooks through the mouths of live frogs so as to trick other animals into impaling themselves [as is recommended in the fishing merit badge booklet], then to rip them from the water into an environment where they cannot breathe and can only struggle desperately for their lives is inconsistent with Boy Scout law and with teaching respect and kindness."

To illustrate its point, PETA trotted out statements by anthropologist Margaret Mead suggesting it's bad for children to get away with "torturing" an animal and Dr. Albert Schweitzer urging opposition to "cruel customs."

Most Americans, however, probably think of fishing as a wholesome activity, one in which grandfathers, fathers and sons participate together. And most Americans aren't eliminating fish, chicken and meat from their diets. In fact, they look at you cockeyed if you say devouring all of those things is bad for you. Don't doctors urge eating more fish in a healthy diet?

Carr, reached in Virginia, doesn't think so. Once a big fish eater herself, she said she was enlightened 16 years ago when she realized eating fish was, well, bad for fish. She went "cold turkey," an expression she hesitated to use because "I'm not sure it's animal-friendly."

Better not to bruise the feelings of those turkeys.

In any case, there is no mystery motive about this Pearl Harbor attack on the Boy Scouts. Yes, Carr said, it's part of the effort to "stop fishing across the board."

The Boy Scouts have reacted to this appeal with a sort of amused restraint. In Chicago, where about 50,000 youngsters participate in Scouting programs, word hadn't even trickled down to Rebecca Fields, assistant director of field services, that PETA was on the warpath.

"Why would they do that?"she said.

Exactly.

At national headquarters in Texas, Boy Scout leadership was not prompted to make sweeping changes in the curriculum. Terry Lawson, director of advancement, responded to Carr in a letter, noting there are no plans to phase out either badge.

Renee Fairrer, at the national office, said an angling or fishing merit badge has been offered since 1911. One aspect of the fishing merit badge, she said, is learning how to catch and release fish properly "without harming them."

If something goes wrong and a fish dies, she said, the Scout cleans it and eats it for a meal. There is no waste.

Except of our time by PETA.

Carr said PETA has received hundreds of e-mail messages on the campaign, running 50-50 pro and con. Hurting fish is "a hot-button issue for some folks," she added. "We've also received some colorful hate mail."

Does this count?

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This is simply unbelievable. ...rip them from the water into an environment where they cannot breathe and can only struggle desperately for their lives... IS THIS WOMAN SERIOUS?! I cannot even fathom how people can feel this way about a fish. It's a fish.

And of course fishing isn't going to make a kid grow up to be a murderer. Quite the contrary, fishing provides quality time between a son and his father or grandfather, something many children such as the kids that shoot up schools did not have. If anything, fishing will bring a kid up more likely NOT to be a murderer.

What is even more unbelievable about this lady's views is that there are thousands of people who agree with her! Downright scary...
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2001 3:05 am

Exactly. This is ridiculous.

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Thu Jul 19, 2001 3:05 am

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Thu Jul 19, 2001 3:08 am

I've gotta agree with you on this one, N400QX!
Those animal rights nuts have more than a few screws loose.  Nuts
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2001 3:28 am

This is absurd! I have a soft spot for animals (in fact, I just swerved for a turtle a half-hour ago), but human beings are omnivours, dammit. Just look at our teeth (those in Southern Indiana will have to use your imagination). If God didn't intend us to eat animals, then why did he make them out of meat?!?!?! (Can't remember where I heard that one). PETA is a joke! Just for that, I'm going to go fishing, make milk-shakes, fry some eggs and grill a couple mammals for my kids' supper. I say we all go to their headquarters and throw some A-1 on them!!! Who's with me?!?!?!?!!
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Thu Jul 19, 2001 4:02 am

"I say we all go to their headquarters and throw some A-1 on them!!! Who's with me?!?!?!?!! "

Hells yeah! I'm in.
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2001 4:11 am

I am not familiar this PETA organisation, but I do see some point, if, and only if, certain things are occurring.

Are the Scouts fishing for the sake of a badge? How will 50000 boys (in the Chicago area) going out to catch fish affect fish stocks in the lakes and rivers for the year ahead? How about 5 years from now?

I do believe that we have to teach responsible fishing, not overfishing, as we can see in communities around the world, where stocks are dwindling.

I do not believe in fishing for the sake of bonding a father and son together. Try kick-to-kick if that is all you are doing it for. However, if the main purpose of that fishing is to eat what is caught (within a reasonable limit), then use bonding as an aside to that. Sure.

As long as the Scouts are teaching responsible fishing and wildlife management, I have no problem at all.

Hey N400QX...question for you. What if a Scout troop is out fishing, and out of the whole troop they only catch one fish. They have to spread this fish around for all the little mongrels to eat that night. The fish's last words are "I'm gay". Are the Scouts allowed to eat that fish?  Acting devilish

 
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Thu Jul 19, 2001 4:32 am

Aviatsiya,

No Boy Scout is required to fish, just as no Boy Scout is required to get a first aid badge. The badge system allows the Boy Scout to pick and choose which badges he wants to earn towards the next Scout Rank. Of course, there are less and less to choose from as he advances, since he cannot earn the same badge twice.

Fishing does carry with it responsibility, and every merit badge has a series of lessons and procedures to follow on the way to earning that badge. I am sure that there is information about responsible fishing.

As for me, I really hate seeing those fish flop around once they're out of the water, so I kill them almost instantly. The RedNGold Method is to take the fish and smack it against the side of the boat. Instant death, no flopping fish, easy to fillet.  Smile

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Thu Jul 19, 2001 4:38 am

Aviatsiya, I don't think you'll ever see a problem with overfishing from regular citizens using standard fishing poles. Keep in mind that people that don't eat the fish, usually release them back in the lake. And the small fish are almost always released. Only the larger fish are taken. If a lake or pond is fished so much that it actually affects the population, then the only the small fish will remain and no one will be interested in fishing in it anyway, so it will surely recover. I think real threats to overfishing only come from commercial fishing.
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Thu Jul 19, 2001 5:20 am

When are these animal rights people going to wise up and take a basic biology course? All animals are NOT the same; they are not like those animals in Disney movies with thoughts of their own like little fuzzy people. EX: a fish's brain is very cude compared to a mamale's; they do NOT think, they do not suffer- all they 'know' (if you can call it that) is swim, eat, procreate. They lack the required brain structures to FEEL pain.

God-forbid some of these people hear about mike the headless chicken- what do they do then- he had NO HEAD- was that cruel to let him live?

BTW- count me in- how about a low altitude bomb run? Fill a large garbage bag with A-1? Drop it on their hq?
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Thu Jul 19, 2001 5:30 am

Say, why don't we just go and starve ourselves of food? We could go eat grass, can't we? After all it would certainly protect the animal populations.
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2001 5:40 am

People....


Before Zach works you guys up into another right-wing tizzy, let's put this into perspective. One should take PETA with a grain of salt (i.e. ignore them), just like any other extremist group (and I can think of many conservative groups that I could cite as examples).

The point is even most "liberals" don't take PETA seriously. Personally, I don't believe in animal cruelty (who does?), nor do I particularly care for hunting or fishing (on the basis that there's no point in killing or hurting anything just for the fun of it - if you're eating it, that's another story), but PETA's methods and messages erase any credibility it might have in my eyes.

I've been a lacto-ovo vegetarian for 10 years. The concept of ingesting animal tissue has always grossed me out. I do eat dairy and egg products - and will continue to enjoy them. Them cows make good cheese.
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Thu Jul 19, 2001 5:48 am

TWFirst, I wasn't trying to make a political point with this thread.

I was trying to figure out how people can be so wacko (see the quote I pointed out) and I am astonished at the large number of people who subscribe to this crap!
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2001 5:48 am

I heard that PETA has launched a campaign against the shark bite boy in Florida. They are also sueing him on behalf of the poor shark because the boy caused the innocent shark to be ripped from its environment and be killed.
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2001 5:48 am

I thought we all knew PETA was nuts. You are what you eat, I guess.  Smile

Aviatsiya: PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) is an extremist left-wing organization who often resort to violence for their cause, which is animal rights. They have attracted some celebrity attention as well. Last year, The Pretenders lead singer, Chrissy Hindes was arrested after making a huge scene at a Gap store in New York. In many cases, they are too left for the lefts, as they quite often become violent in their cause, which makes most people, me included, look at them with dislike because they can't do things normally. You can check out their website at http://www.peta.org

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Thu Jul 19, 2001 5:59 am

I should have saved the article, but anyway, last winter some PETA activists went outside a middle school in the Des Moines area trying to tell the kids that they shouldn't eat the meat products from the school lunches, etc. They were chased away, however, when the kids started pelting them with snowballs!
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2001 6:27 am

TWFirst, if its any consolation, I don't associate anyone with PETA that doesn't belong to them. When I saw this thread, I honestly did not expect ANYONE, even our most liberal friends, to support it. I do realize that they are WAAAAY out there. I know many are guilty of associating Liberal and Conservatives with their respective fringe groups, but it is usually done in jest or when losing an argument.
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Thu Jul 19, 2001 6:30 am

I thought we all knew PETA was nuts. You are what you eat, I guess.

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thu Jul 19, 2001 8:17 am

Hhhhhm. PETA. A rather scraggly radical group who will not compromise on their beliefs.

I am a strong believer of animal rights. I do not feel it is our right to plunder the land and oceans for man's pure benefit. Sustainable fishing is an issue, and in most places it is being addressed. Hunting in all it's forms should be banned and punishable by prison terms.

Feed lots are disgusting, inhumane, dirty and should be outlawed. The feeding of ruminate feed to any other ruminant should be banned worldwide. We have seen the effects of this practice in the form of Bovine Spongivore Encephalitis. Man in his quest to process animals as quickly as possible has meddled with nature at the behest of his health. No-one knows the long term effects of sticking animals with steroids, growth hormones and the like. Battery Chicken farming should be banned worldwide.

A study in a town in Sao Paulo discovered a distrubing trend in the male children of this town, slow genital development but also the development of 'breasts'. Why? Most of the people worked at the battery chicken farm and processing centre. Their staple meat diet was obviously chicken from the farm. The chickens were given doses of eostrogen to make them grow quicker. See the problem?

In my home town, most of the children growing up around me were kind of short, compared to myself who is only 6ft tall. Why? A short study was done, that linked reports that a certain pesticide that was used in the area (rural) where grazing dairy cattle lived had obviously passed into the milk supply. And what was the major industry in the area? A big dairy. (Note I am lactose intolerant so never drank the milk or ate the dairy products...) This pesticide had been banned but had a half live of 20 years, after discovering it caused birth defects and stunted growth.

What is my point? When will man learn not to interfere with the production of animals (as in feeding them things they would not normally eat and doseing them with hormones and such)? When will they find easier and more effective ways of mass producing certain foods? Is there not a way that people can change the way they eat so as to put as little pressure on the land and environment as possible? Do I think GMF foods are the answer? No, I don't beleive in tampering with nature too much, but I am not totally against it - I extremely dislike the thought of crossing the plant / animal gene and turning it into super soy beans that are resistant to anything. That's asking for trouble.

Oh dear, better get back to work or you'll all think I am a member of PETA.

Cheers,

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Thu Jul 19, 2001 9:37 am

These people, including several on here, are absolutely nuts.

Do the fish actually think the rest of nature will kill them in a "humane" fashion? HA... Do the wackos think that?

I'm going to start a new organization:
People for Eating Tasty Animals.
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2001 10:21 am

[standing by grill with beer in hand]

Ssssssssssssssssssss

Mx5_boy, you want yours rare or medium?

Ssssssssssssssssssss
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Thu Jul 19, 2001 10:39 am

Jetservice,

Medium to well thanks, but hang on a sec, your meat would have obviously come from a feedlot?

Second thoughts, no thanks. I'll stick with good ole' aussie (grazed) beef thanks.

Could go some of that texan BBQ sauce though!

lol

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Thu Jul 19, 2001 11:53 am

Zach, for the FIRST TIME, you and I are on the exact page!! ROTFL! PETA is about as extremists as you get. This is the group who protested the winner of the Indy 500 drinking milk after winning the race. I don't mind them protesting the I-Killed-A-Dog, er, I mean the Iditarod, but this is too far.

And, just to point out, Zach-these are true radicals. These are the people that so many people on the right SHOULD yell and scream about, but they do not represent the mainstream of the left.

PETA is nuts, but they're a great source of hilarious entertainment. You go Zach!!  Big thumbs up
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2001 4:44 pm

I am also a huge animal-rights activist.

I don't disagree with eating meat or drinking milk (I consume both), but I totally disagree with any type of sport hunting.

I do not like fishing unless you're going to eat it or put it back in the water.

I especially hate deer hunters and bear hunters who mostly just kill for the fun of it. Why is a bear any less important than a human? The only difference between people and bears is that we're smarter. Is intellignece the only qualification for living?

Listen to this story,
In Fort St. John, BC, Canada. There are only about 1000 Kodiak Bears left (this is the only place where kodiak bears live, these days). In February, the BC governement banned bear hunting in the province, but this government was voted out in May, and replaced by a party more to the right.

The people of Fort St. John are were up in arms about this, so the new administration lifted the ban. The town was concerned that their economy (which relies heavily on American hunters) would be destroyed.

Well, I hope these people realize that the bears will be gone in about a year, due to hunting, anyway.

It's just another species crossed of the list.

I saw that on CNN. It makes me sad.
 
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Thu Jul 19, 2001 7:39 pm

The so called John Edwards wrote...."In Fort St. John, BC, Canada. There are only about 1000 Kodiak Bears left (this is the only place where kodiak bears live, these days)."

Johnnie....if you are going to make up facts at least make them possible.....or at least study some biology, or at very least the people at CNN do.

There is no such species of bear.

There are brown bears that are also known as Grizzlies but to be a "Kodiak Grizzley" the bear has to, oddly enough, come from Kodiak Island, Alaska. Even that is a miss-nomer because traditionally a brown bear lives within 200 miles of the coast while a gizzley is an inland bear. Kodiak Island isn't 200 miles across.

Having actually have been to Ft. St. John on a number of occasions, traveling the Alcan Highway. I can assure everybody out there that I have seen numerous bears from the road.




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Thu Jul 19, 2001 8:05 pm

John Edwards says:
I am also a huge animal-rights activist.
I recommend the Atkin's Protein Diet. I lost 25 pounds in 5 weeks. It works!!!

I don't disagree with eating meat or drinking milk (I consume both), but I totally disagree with any type of sport hunting.
So do I. I couldn't shoot an animal unless it was attacking me or another human. But I don't have a problem with other people hunting responsibly.

I do not like fishing unless you're going to eat it or put it back in the water.
I don't know anyone that does otherwise. In fact, its incovenient to take them home unless you are going to eat them or make them trophies. And don't get bent out of shape about trophies, they don't affect anything. In fact, if the animal/fish were made into a trophy, chances are, it was probably going to die of old-age soon anyway.

I especially hate deer hunters and bear hunters who mostly just kill for the fun of it. Why is a bear any less important than a human? The only difference between people and bears is that we're smarter. Is intellignece the only qualification for living?
John, I only think it matters if the animal population is dwindling. I don't know about bears, but deer would die slow agonizing deaths by starvation and be more roadkill (which could result in more human injury or death) if it weren't for deer-hunters. They actually help maintain the population and provide better lives for the deer that survive. I know a simple-mind will have a hard time digesting that, but its true. Ask the DNR.

Listen to this story,
In Fort St. John, BC, Canada. There are only about 1000 Kodiak Bears left (this is the only place where kodiak bears live, these days). In February, the BC governement banned bear hunting in the province, but this government was voted out in May, and replaced by a party more to the right. The people of Fort St. John are were up in arms about this, so the new administration lifted the ban. The town was concerned that their economy (which relies heavily on American hunters) would be destroyed. Well, I hope these people realize that the bears will be gone in about a year, due to hunting, anyway. It's just another species crossed of the list. I saw that on CNN. It makes me sad.

John, if this is true as reported, then I agree with you on this one. But I find it hard to believe that if a population of species only numbers 1000, that ANY government body would allow hunting. That is insane. As soon as I saw 'CNN' report this, it almost gaurantees you aren't hearing the whole story. I will research this for the both of us and let you know what I find out.
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Thu Jul 19, 2001 8:32 pm

I grew up hunting with my father and my grandfather, both hunters from the time they were kids, and I have never personally met anyone who killed game just for the fun of it. All the hunters I have ever been with, deer hunters, duck hunters, whatever, eat what they kill, or at the very least give the meat to someone who will eat it, or sell it to restaurants.

In fact, I think you will find that the most avid conservationists are hunters, becasue they notice right away if there are fewer ducks this season over the last few seasons. They want to make sure there is plenty of game out there. They are the first line of conservationists. Check out Ducks Unlimited, an association of duck hunters who lobby very hard for the preservation of wetlands and for the strict enforcement of "bag limits".

On a few occasions, I've shot a quail, or a duck, or a dove, saw it go down, and could not find it (rarely a problem for bigger game). Sometimes I'll spend an hour or more looking for it, and will feel guilty if I don't, because by not recovering it and making a meal out of it, I shot it for nothing. It would be a waste, and I would be no better than those "Kill for fun" stereotypical hunters some people like to go on about.

I suppose there are some hunters who do it just for fun, and let the carcass go to waste. I haven't met any, but I suppose they exist. I would come down rather hard on them, if I could.

By the way, JetService, what you are talking about concerning deer is called culling. The concept is that the presence of man has driven out all of the deer's natural predators. As deer have evolved so that they multiply rapidly in order to compensate for being at the bottom of the food chain, the result is a deer population explosion. In the winter, with too many deer around, a huge portion will certainly starve to death. By culling the top 10 or 20% of the population each year (the amount of culling required is estimated according to how much food is estimated to be out there, according the the current year's rainfall, etc.), you guarantee that most of the population survives until the spring.

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Fri Jul 20, 2001 1:19 am

Hunting in all it's forms should be banned and punishable by prison terms.


Hmm... good thing you werent around when the pilgrims were here and had to hunt just to stay alive..

but i see, now we are Sooo civilized that we can just all eat tofu and soilent green thus saving the emotions of animals.

*sigh* i'll stop while im way, way ahead...


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RE: Now Peta Attacks Scouts...Unbelievable

Fri Jul 20, 2001 10:10 am

As I said before there is aboslutely no need for private citizens to engage in bloodlust sports.

I do agree that when natural / introduced populations of animals start to get out of hand or are endangering humans they should be culled or relocated (in the event of natural species) to areas where they will pose no harm.

John Edwards,

I am disgusted that Canada allows bear hunting still. Is this really true? No-one on this thread can seriously tell me that bears are hunted down and shot for food purposes? No, they are not. They are hunted down and shot for the sport of it. Just like the majority of so called "sport shooters" may claim they do it for food or whatever pathetic excuse they can bring to mind, but it isn't. It is the thrill and excitement of looking into the eyes of some terrified animal and shooting it for fun.

Sorry, but that is just plain barbaric and revolting. This is the 21st century. You want food? Go to a supermarket. You want to entertain your sick fantasies of killing innocent creatures then ask Sony or Nintendo to create some blood filled game for you.

I am not a PETA fanatic, however I do believe that all animals should be treated in as much of a humane manner as possible. That include animals for food purposes.

A quick question - is there a state in the USA (or Canada) that made it legal for people to pick up and eat roadkill?

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Fri Jul 20, 2001 11:00 am

Mx5_boy, I believe in Tennesee, picking up roadkill is legal.

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Fri Jul 20, 2001 12:15 pm

Mx5/BH346, I believe WV, also.

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Fri Jul 20, 2001 2:37 pm

Live and let live, guys. Back on the other BSA thread, all their supporters were calling us intolerant. When clearly they are the intolerant ones. Now Zach says PETA is intolerant. Bullshit. How are they intolerant? Because they stick up for their beliefs? We really should do away with all those people, huh. Come on folks, this thread is pointless. Go waste your time doing something with a purpose.
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Fri Jul 20, 2001 4:54 pm

Mx5Boy....Black Bear is actually pretty good eating. It has a kind of "porky" taste. I bet you thought I was going to say it tasted like chicken,right  Laugh out loud? That is because bears are closely related to the pig family.

Sorry to say it but it still doesn't appear that you have any idea what it is like to have to "live off the land". That is probably because you have never had to do it. Which means that you are pretty much unqualified to tell what animal species people can hunt and eat for food.

This is the 21st century and yes people do still hunt of the land. At least when I hunt a deer or caribou or moose, I don't have to worry about what hormones the meat has been shot up with. Don't have to worry about how the meat was handled at the processor or at the store either.


Oh....to those PETA members out there, May I quote Bart Simpson

EAT MY SHORTS!!!



That by the way is a 33lb Nushagak River, King Salmon I took last year. And yes it was tasty.

Baked and stuffed is excellent but I don't mind beer batter either.






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Fri Jul 20, 2001 5:13 pm

THAT'S you!? Geez....

But what is the horrible thing holding on to you?

 Laugh out loud
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RE: Now Peta Attacks Scouts...Unbelievable

Fri Jul 20, 2001 5:28 pm

Yeah Yeah Yeah

I know the fish is better looking.... Laugh out loud
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RE: Now Peta Attacks Scouts...Unbelievable

Fri Jul 20, 2001 5:38 pm

Kind of walked right in to that one.
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RE: Now Peta Attacks Scouts...Unbelievable

Fri Jul 20, 2001 5:46 pm

No not really....

I was kind of expecting it.

It is a good thing I wasn't wearing my "birth control glasses"

I could have passed for Drew Carey's stunt double with those on.
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RE: Now Peta Attacks Scouts...Unbelievable

Fri Jul 20, 2001 7:35 pm

For once im agreeing with zach, unthinkable.

A boy scout catching a fish as part fo a fish is fine.Hes doign it for a badge you say, a bit of cloth, but is he really?

scout badges are in fact mirco-courses on life, the boy now know how to fish, so if for whatever reason he finds im himself in the middle of no where, he has a skill that will help him.

thats the idea behind scout badges.


now here in the uk we dont really have nutters like peta.

we have friends of the earh and greenpeace, both of them didnt raise objections to scouts fishing.

The scouts also can take badges on animal wellfare and the environmental and global issues.

So the scouts arent a group of hunters.

now hunting is different.

cashing a fox for sport is wrong.
hunting a bear for sport is wrong.

the canadians in that village may have said about the economy then what happens when all the bears are killed?

in the uk a major debate is raging on banning fox hunting.now im a conservative, they normally back the countryside and believe in hunting.

i dont

hunting is cruel.

now before someone goes there with saying oh its the same as killing a fish, it isnt.

a boy scouts is killing a fish as apart of survival training.
a hunter is killing a bear for the sake of it.


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RE: Now Peta Attacks Scouts...Unbelievable

Fri Jul 20, 2001 7:38 pm

Go Canada.....

Would you please comment on if hunting for food is cruel or not.

I would point out again....I have eaten black bear and it makes a fine meal.
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Fri Jul 20, 2001 8:11 pm

hunting for food is not cruel as is. What can be cruel is the way the hunt is done (and especially the killing).

For example, animals caught in traps will suffer a slow, agonising death. Poor shots who only wound an animal instead of killing it outright (or those who aim for the gut because they do not want to damage the "trophy" head) do much the same.
Similarly with fishing, a shark or dolphin caught in a net will slowly suffocate, this can take hours.

As to sporthunting, there is a lot of that. In France each year scores of people shoot at migrating birds. a lot of the vistims are finches and other small birds. Using shotguns, there is not a lot left when they reach the ground...
Other hunters shoot 25 geese a day for a month, most are left to rot. The shooting is excused with a "the birds are damaging the grass" by the hunters, who are usually farmers.
I've seen hunting parties prepare a field to trap birds (pigeons in this case). Take a field of corn, clear it all except a 4 foot strip on each side. Position hunters in those strips and spread birdfeed in the field. Wait for the birds and murder them. A typical hunt will yield hundreds of birds for maybe half a dozen hunters.
Defense: the birds were eating the crop.
That is the kind of hunting I am opposed to...

Groups like PETA (and its equivalents elsewhere, like our "animal liberation front") make a mockery of animal rights for political purposes.
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RE: Now Peta Attacks Scouts...Unbelievable

Fri Jul 20, 2001 8:39 pm

Jwenting

I don't know how you all do it in the Netherlands but I didn't see an "example" of hunting as you listed. As far as the rules in Alaska go.....

If you shoot an animal you are required to salvage the meat. Brown bears used to be an exception to that rule but I don't belive that is true any more.

Spreading food down to attract an animal is called baiting and again with only one exception that I can think of it is also illegal.

Please don't practice either in my state....I will bust you if given the chance.

As far as nets go. I don't know of a single "sport fishery" that uses nets other then handheld dip-nets and the fish that you catch doing that don't spend hours in it. Maybe thirty seconds before you put them in the cooler. Like I said it is a handheld net. Every other sport fish I know of is caught on a fishing pole or downrigger rig.

I hope you are not thinking that a head shot is what a hunter should be aiming for. Generally to put an animal down you want to aim for the heart, because if you miss the hart chances are you will hit the lungs or something else vital. So you increase your chances of successfulling killing the animal quickly. I don't want to get into a conversation about where you want to place a bullet on what species of animal mainly because it varies but generally the shot I like waiting for is to put the bullet behind the sholder blade toward the chest of the animal. It take patience to wait until that shot comes up.


Trapping is a whole different issue but let me comment on two truths about it.

1. I helped my dad tend his back when I was a kid. It has got to be one of the hardest and most involved ways to make a living

2. Animals are not killed by the trap, except for conaber(spl? I really should remember how to spell that). It is the responsibilty of the trapper to check his traps frequently enough to keep the animal from suffering.
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RE: Now Peta Attacks Scouts...Unbelievable

Fri Jul 20, 2001 9:54 pm

We're Nuts, this has nothing to do with "intolerance", in my opinion. This has everything to do with an organization that is so far out there that it's scary. Left to them, we'd all be veggens, drinking orange juice all the time, and there'd be no control at all on animal populations whatsoever.

PETA is as radical as you can get. Man has been hunting and fishing since he first stepped on the earth. I've fished once in a blue moon, but I've never hunted-it's not my style, for reasons most of you are aware of on here-but that's another issue already churned up before. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with hunting and fishing for food. Now, when you talk about these hunting "reserves" around the country, where wild game is fenced in simply so someone with huge testosterone levels can slaughter it, that's another story. That's not what anyone advocates here.

The intolerant ones here, imho, is PETA-they want us to follow their radical views on what we should eat and drink; they think that these animals have "rights" that are parallel with that of human beings, which is rubbish. Does a Gazelle attacked by a lion have "rights"? No, it doesn't-and neither does a deer when hunted by a man. It's prey vs. predator, and that's the way nature is. And man is part of nature, although extremists groups like PETA thinks man is a predatory species that doesn't even belong on the earth.

Man has done things that are not very good for the enviornment-again, another topic for another time-but hunting and fishing does not fall into that category. L-188 earned to eat that fish, imho! He didn't just fish to waste the critter. He used it as sustinence.

 
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RE: Now Peta Attacks Scouts...Unbelievable

Sat Jul 21, 2001 3:04 am

hunting food food is fine, thats what i said.

hunting for pleasure to show off to your friends isnt.

clear?
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RE: Now Peta Attacks Scouts...Unbelievable

Sat Jul 21, 2001 3:35 am

Alpha 1, well put! May I add to your terrific commentary? Man is also the only predator that is consciencious about the impact of his hunting and will impose kill limits. Do snakes or lions do that? And you are on the mark about the fact that man is the only animal that show any degree of killing humanely. Just ask the muskrat that is being slowly suffocated by the python, or the baby moose that is being ripped apart by a pack of wild dogs as it is screaming for its mother. Can you imagine what it is like having half your body inside an alligator's digestive system while you are still alive?!?! No thanks! I'll take a bullet in the heart over any of those.
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RE: Now Peta Attacks Scouts...Unbelievable

Sat Jul 21, 2001 3:50 am

I think PETA is off there rockers with this one. Humans were made to be hunters. This is what happens when people go too long with out meet! There is something called Vitamin B12 that is essential to a humans diet. Let me guess, they rather us use man-made supplements/pills? Oh yes, that's really natural. NOT!

I am not exactly sure how true this is. It's been said that if you go long periods of time without meat, it can cause chemical imbalances in the brain.
Again I don't know how true this is but when I see stories like this, it can't be too far from the truth.



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RE: Now Peta Attacks Scouts...Unbelievable

Sat Jul 21, 2001 6:52 am

I wasn't agreeing with anyone, I was just pointing out that it is all a balance.
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RE: Now Peta Attacks Scouts...Unbelievable

Sat Jul 21, 2001 5:13 pm

Superfly....

Yes...

I avoid fish in the stores....

It is just so much better when you can get it fresh.

That and I have lived around caneries and processors and know what those are like inside. If I catch it myself I know where the fish has been
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