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A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Sun Jul 29, 2001 9:58 pm

Imagine that the number of speeders caught and ticketed in a small town begins to plummet. What is likely to happen? Are the local law enforcement going to be commended for reducing “safety violations”? Does fewer vehicles ticketed mean that the police have done their job?

We all know the answer to this. The police will be castigated for writing fewer citations and will be pressured to lower their “tolerances” for choosing to stop a vehicle. The reason is as simple as it is obvious: the city is dependent (if not, then greedy) on the revenues generated from traffic violations. We all know what hype this is anytime a local agency puts out a public service announcement with regards to “driving safely” and “please slow down”. They are lies, plain and simple.

So what does this have to do with incurable diseases? The parallel should be easy to spot. As with revenue generated from vehicle citations, the drug treatment and pharmaceutical industries are multi-billion dollar enterprises. In today’s greed and dollar driven society, where is the real impetuous and stimulus to create a cure for a terminal disease, when far more money can be made prolonging the inevitable end for a much longer period of time? After all, if a person suffering from HIV, AIDS, or cancer can be given a one time shot or series of medications, then it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that the multi-billion (if not, then trillion) dollar drug industry will collapse like a house of cards. Even if a vaccine or cure could be developed, does anyone think that after some 20 years of “research” that said cure will be priced affordably to those most likely to need it?
I highly doubt it. It’s much more cost effective and profitable to “string that person along” with a program of lower priced drugs that merely delay death-while still allowing that person to “pay into the system” for many years.

What about all of these “charities” that you see and hear about? The one that stands out in my mind is “Jerry’s Kids” (Muscular Dystrophy Association). With all of these fund raisers and telethons ostensibly to “help find a cure”, why are we no closer to finding a cure today then we were 20 years ago? Where do all of those millions and millions of dollars go?

I know someone that works for MDA, and that person has informed me that only about 35 cents on every dollar actually goes towards genuine charity. The remaining 65 cents goes to “overhead” and “administrative expenses”. Translation: straight into the pockets of certain individuals.

So again, it’s not too difficult to pinpoint the real reason why we just can’t seem to eradicate these ills. If a cure for muscular dystrophy were to be found, then overnight the need for elaborate “Jerry’s Kids” telethons and fund-raisers would evaporate. This program, and other scams like it (such as Make-A-Wish) would no longer be the cash generating machines they are now. And being that they are “non-profit”, they don’t have to pay taxes on any of that income.

So the bottom line and sad truth is that if you or anyone you know suffers from any of these incurable illnesses, no matter what any of these charities would like you to believe, you’re going to die. You will not be cured. Too many people want you to stay sick because you (and people that feel sorry for you, and donate to “your” charity) are just too profitable. And they take solace in knowing that once you are gone, there will be plenty more to take your place.




 
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RE: A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Sun Jul 29, 2001 10:25 pm

You say that they will run themselves out of business, but was that true with Tylenol and the others, look at the revenue Bayer(sp?) makes every year. True, those companies will scale back on expensive research but they would mass produce that drug like you wouldn't believe, making billions a year (which will go to the CEO) to sell it. Instead of taking in small donations they will be taking in million dollar checks. Wouldn't they want that more?

The world is full of people who want to become heroes. That chemist, or biomedical engineer trying to find the cure probably dreams about the day he will be a world hero, when he would have his name in the paper everywhere . I bet Jerry from Jerry's kids would love to be interviewed on the Today Show, Good Morning America, etc.. The world is full of people who want to become heros and living legends, and if these groups find the cure, they will become just that.
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RE: A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Sun Jul 29, 2001 10:37 pm

They are wanting to be heroes...commensurate with what kind of lottery type payoff (cash, checks, book deals, movies, bridges named after them, and so on)they receive.

Do you think that some biochemist is currently slaving away in obscurity right now hoping that all he does is find a "cure" just out of the kindness of his heart, and will be satisfied with a one time newspaper story about him, but no cash payout, celebrity status or anything like that?


Let's suppose that you had aspirations to find a cure for cancer, but were told in advance that the most you'll ever be compensated (aside from your nominal salary)is a $100 gift certificate from Wal Mart, and a one time "adda-boy" ad placed in the classified section of the newspapers.

Would you still be so eager to be a "world hero" and try your best to find that magic potion?

With all due respect, if you think that in todays narcissistic and self righteous society, that there is still another Jonas Salk out there, you are living in Dreamland.

 
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RE: A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Sun Jul 29, 2001 11:18 pm

There are indeed people out there who would love to change the world and make it better for humanity.

Do you think that some biochemist is currently slaving away in obscurity right now hoping that all he does is find a "cure" just out of the kindness of his heart, and will be satisfied with a one time newspaper story about him, but no cash payout, celebrity status or anything like that?

Yes I do think there is. And he won't receive a "öne time newspaper story about him", but a helluva lot more, whether he likes it or not. Do you really think all those people who had AIDS but are now cured would just let him go by, without thanking him? I highly doubt this. If you're someone who had found this "magic potion" you will be automatically hailed by people as a hero. There are millions of kind people out there, who would not want you to stay sick and die because you are just too profitable.

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RE: A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Sun Jul 29, 2001 11:28 pm

I disagree. Even if that level of nobility is still out there somewhere, don't expect that persons findings to be released for a long time...if ever. If he or she were to start making waves about a possible cure, then I guran-f*cking-tee you that that person will be taken into a dark room, and told, in so many words to "keep quiet".

And this goes for anything, but when the financial stakes are this high, don't tell me that back room tactics don't take place like this.

Suddenly some biochemist will be "missing" under "questionable" circumstances. And of course, "no one will know anything".
 
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RE: A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Sun Jul 29, 2001 11:41 pm

Matt, you are too young to be so cynical. Sadly you are pretty close to the truth though. The best researchers are working for the large multi-national drug companies who really don't want cures for AIDS, Cancer, Diabetes, etc. We can still hope for a Jonas Salk or Marie Curie though, can't we?
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RE: A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Sun Jul 29, 2001 11:42 pm

I can also hope to see a Pan Am straight pipe 707 to show up at SNA, right?
 
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RE: A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Sun Jul 29, 2001 11:46 pm

In the case of police and traffic fines, there is no competition involved.
Governments have become dependent on the income the police bring in from traffic violations.

In medicine, there is competition. The company that first produces a drug against a disease (especially a high-profile one like AIDS) will have enormous income and fantastic PR for years. This alone will be enough to keep the research going.
You are right in thinking that most charities squander the money you send to them, with a few exceptions of course.

The sad fact is that we have not been able to cure a SINGLE disease caused by a virus. We may be able to prevent some virus borne diseases, but with virusses that change frequently like HIV and Influenza, this is extremely difficult.
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RE: A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Mon Jul 30, 2001 12:22 am

If I was a drug company CEO, I'd cut all of the AIDS research funding ASAP. Here is my reason:

1) There aren't that many people in the US that suffer from AIDS and the vast majority of them won't pay the exorbitant fees that I would like to charge them for the drug and its expensive R&D plus my obscene profit.

2) Even if there were a lot of people in the US that could pay for my AIDS drug, there are even more in Africa who can't. The U.N would petition me to give out my AIDS drug secret and come to the rescue of the poor starving people. Then black market entrepreneurs would sell my free AIDS drug to my core market in the US.

Translation: I'm screwed.

Shareholders don't like drug companies that look good for the media. Shareholders like drug companies that give them massive dividends over a long term.

A better solution would be to fund my AIDS research but not to the point where we could actually achieve success. An office existing only so that we can put out glossy P.R folders and make Discovery channel specials is good enough for me and my shareholders.

Now before you flame the crap out of me, hear me out on AIDS:

I view AIDS (for most people) as a completely preventable solution. Aside from contaminated needles and blood products, we know how it happens and we know that HAVING UNPROTECTED SEX HAS CONSEQUENCES. Why can't people understand the cost of their fun?
 
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RE: A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Mon Jul 30, 2001 2:05 am

>>If I was a drug company CEO, I'd cut all of the AIDS research funding ASAP.<<

With all Christian love and kindness, Go to Hell to you merciless bastard - assuming you mean exactly what you say.

You are the kinda person that makes this world worse than it has to be. At least on this topic.

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RE: A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Mon Jul 30, 2001 2:11 am

And Matt, as to what you have to say, as much as I would like to think it wasn't true, I think that you're right.

God Help us all.

FlyBoeing wrote: >>I view AIDS (for most people) as a completely preventable solution. <<

Just TRY telling that to the MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of people suffering from it in Africa, Asia and hell, even right here on our own doorstep. Statistics dictate that one in ten infected know that they are - and that there are approximately 45 million known cases in teh world of HIV infection. Therefore, give or take, there are around 450 MILLION people (yes folks, that's almost a half BILLION) infected - most of whom have little idea of what it is and have no 'reason' to deserve it, with the exception of the fact that they are born with HIV.

I do hope that Mx5, Aviatsiya and/or TWFirst step in on this one.

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RE: A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Mon Jul 30, 2001 7:15 am

Look at the Chicken Pox Shot!! They have basicaly found a cure for the chicken pox, and the business is doing great because everyone who is born gets it (almost everyone) and it works...So they are just getting richer and richer
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RE: A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Mon Jul 30, 2001 8:28 am

Matty,

You have certainly hit the nail on the head in regards to cures for so called incurable diseases. You can make the parallel's througout capitalist society.

I would not be surprised if there have been many researchers who have developed cures for various things but have not for whatever reason released their findings, or have done 'reverse research' to create drugs that will keep people dependent on them for some time. What I do believe is that we will find cures (or have found) for various illnesses and eventually they will be released onto the market.

You have to remember that in many countries where National Health is public or free the cost of subsidising pharmaceuticals takes up a large portion of the public health budget. Like Australia and many european countries, your HIV drugs (or any others) are always on what they call the "Pharmaceuticals Benefits List" which means they are heavily subsidised for the public.

What I am getting at is researchers in these countries realise the cost to governements and government sponsorship for R&D means they need to release their findings / research to the government.

So in some instances your correct, but the correlation still sugests that many researchers would be happy to bring their cures to the public. Like the flu vaccine that was invented here, you could imagine a whole industry's (from tissue manufacturers, cough medicine co's and others) not being particularly happy about that one.

This flu vaccine is subsidised and recommended by the government that the general public should be vaccinated. But that is research from here. By far the greatest pharmaceutical research would have to be going on in the USA.

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RE: A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Mon Jul 30, 2001 9:24 am

Wow! Everyone has a lot to say against phamaceutical companies and researchers.

I used to think like most of you on this issue. First, I couldn´t believe that after 20 years we have no cure for AIDS. My teachers in high school said that the people who have the power didn´t want to release the cure for so many deseases because of the growing population of the world. They had to let people die or the world would reach its maximum capacity. Others said that drug makers want lots of people to be infected with the virus (HIV+) and then they will realeas the cure.

The real truth is that just until one year ago I got to see the other side of the coin. I started working for Merck & Co. the biggest pharmaceutical company in the world (measured by revenues) and the one that has the two best products to treat AIDS (Crixivan & Stocrin). It was just until then that I could see the whole picture. It takes almost ten to twelve years to develope a drug, from the moment they start investigating to the moment they start selling it in the drug store.
AIDS became a problem until the begining of the 80´s so it was until then that R&D started. The first products that really work against AIDS became available in 1995, and that was 10 years after investigation started.

I know that many of you are against making business with sickness, but after all big drug makers are companies, just like airlines. They are owned by many of your parents or by you people that have mutual funds or stocks. You want to get an interest for the money you have in the bank, and you invest in pharmaceutical stock or airline stocks. So the drug makers have to make a profit by selling drugs. R&D is very expensive. One of 100,000 molecules tested result in an efficient drug.

About what FlyBoeing said on his first three paragraphs, that is happening today. Africa alone has almost 60% of the population infected with AIDS, so the government of those countries started to copy the drugs of the US pharmaceutical companies and they are manufacturing them in Thailand and China. They need to treat people quickly to stop the deads.

About Merck products Crixivan and Stocrin, they are quite expensive 400USD a bottle that lasts 20 to 30 days. It was just until march 2001 and after a big dispute with most of africas different governments that Merck decided to reduce the price of each bottle 88% to treat people in that continent. The good thing is that every third world country that has a big problem with AIDS is getting this benefit. Brasil has a growing number of people infected with AIDS, and they are getting this benefit through social security. Mexico also has this benefit. I know that some of you will say that don´t they give this benefit to everyone. The problem is people. If Merck was to give drugs at a cheap price, people like me and you will complain, because our money in the bank wont get the interest rate we want.

The problem is not wether a good scientist wants to discover a cure for free or if there is a . The problem is that to get the cure you need to invest a looooot of money and the only ones that can do that are the big drug makers. Releasing a new medicines needs lots of bucks and if it fails, you will loose a lot also. So think it for a while... and remember that many new pharmaceutical companies listed in the NASDAQ had gone out of business because they couldn´t get their medicines on time or because they ran out of money.

Just my two cents...

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RE: MattD

Mon Jul 30, 2001 2:42 pm

The way you jumped right at me after my response leads me to believe that you, or someone near you, has just been diagnosed as HIV positive. The only thing I wrote was an expression of hope in human nature. It had nothing to with with a stove pipe (straight pipe for the younger amateurs ; means non fan engine) anything at any airport ever again.
I'm sorry for what you are going through. I hope whatever it is turns out OK.
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RE: A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Mon Jul 30, 2001 3:14 pm

Granted I did not take the time to read the post but I asume its about treating aids. I have a solution to the aids epidemic. It might sound somewhat harsh to some but I think I would be more affective than current treatments and such. I propose that we let those who have it die without any attempts to prolong their life. In time when all those infected die the disease will go into history books. Billons of dollars which are currently being spend on treating aids patients and developing a cure could saved to fund less futile objectives. Instead of developing a cure we should work on getting rid of the virus altogether, and in my opinion this is the best way.
Please dont flame me before you have acctually thought over what I wrote here.
 
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RE: A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Mon Jul 30, 2001 3:48 pm

Those drugs are not cures... All they do is suppress the symptoms.
For virusses there is no known cure (for no virus). All we can do is help the body in its fight against the virus. With a virus that attacks the immune system this is almost impossible.
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RE: A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Mon Jul 30, 2001 6:56 pm

Well to all who say 'Let them Die' - you can all go to Hell, and, if I were Catholic, would say that you would. Fortunately, I'm Baptist, and it's not always the case.

Anyways, getting back on topic, what some of you people are saying is f***ing horrendous. The very notion that you can let people die shows your true colors; those of true detachment and heartlessness.

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Mon Jul 30, 2001 7:44 pm

YOur going nowhere....there is no afterlife. If you werent so damn narrow minded you would understand what im trying to say. I dont like some god obsessed freak like you characterisng me. Let me guess, if you got infected with aids you would say god is taking you on a journey, eh?
 
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RE: A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Mon Jul 30, 2001 8:31 pm

CYKA-

Be serious, there's no way you would say that if someone close to you had it right?
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RE: A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Mon Jul 30, 2001 8:50 pm

Well I apologize for having faith. (Since some of you have a problem with sattire, this is an example of sarcasm.)

What I do say is that you - for saying that everyone who gets it deserves it and should just 'live with it' and thus 'die with no help' - have a lot to answer for.

I do personally believe that everything happens for a reason - but that aside, it is NO REASON to make them suffer for it by NOT helping them. Everyone deserves a chance, and if I had my way, there would be a LOT more funding for HIV/AIDS research (if not a cure, then a vaccine - TWFirst has more information on this) - not 'none' - as some of you would wish.

To put it in perspective, perhaps, the biggest killer in the world is no longer Malaria - but HIV-related pneumonia. You still say it's unimportant and that you should concentrate more on 'other', more 'pressing' illnesses?

CYKA wrote: >>If you werent so damn narrow minded you would understand what im trying to say.<<
Is this not an ironic statement from someone who thinks that people deserve everything they get?

It is nothing to do with being religious - I am religious and believe that we should do our upmost to help these people. Religion is not the issue here - HIV R&D funding is. And I beleive that there isn't enough as it is.

HIV is becoming a Pandemic, and for the first time in twenty years, the rate of infection is going UP in civilized countries such as the UK and the USA, with Australia being a notable exception as they have the right plan of attack, it would seem. It's time to do something drastic.

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RE: A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Mon Jul 30, 2001 9:10 pm

The vaccine is not far away! The only problem is time.

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RE: A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Tue Jul 31, 2001 1:41 am

Matt D:
Interesting topic. Comedian Chris Rock pointed said almost exactly the same thing you're saying about AIDS. The predatory capitalist pharmaceutical industry doesn't want to find a cure. Why? Because there is no profit in the cure. They rather have you hooked on medication and make you live longer with the disease/virus.
AIDS is a man-made disease in the first place. Just imagine if there was a cure, a more deadly disease/virus will come along and there will be a Band-Aid type medicine to come along with it.


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RE: A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Tue Jul 31, 2001 9:29 am

CYKA,

I have to say I am a little horrified at what you are suggesting. Simplified answers to difficult questions are never right.

You said:

"""I dont like some god obsessed freak like you characterisng me."""

You say that about N836DA? I think that is very unfair, how well do you know N836DA? I certainly know he is not a god obsessed freak, him and I may not agree on many things, however he has the respect of other users that you don't.

Let me put an example to you of the many different ways people contract the HIV virus. Let's say your mother, brother or sister are walking along the beach when all of a sudden one of them accidentally treads on a used syringe. Ouch! Uh Oh, better have an AIDS test to make sure the blood left over from whatever intravenous drug user left behind isn't infected.

You and your family have to wait an agonising 3 months terrified that which ever one of your family members had the accident may contract HIV.

(You can add these to your list of 'accidents' - contaminated blood products - improper dentistry - broken condoms - drunken unsafe sex - intravenous drug use - it only takes one mistake!)

The test comes back and unfortunately your mom has contracted HIV.

Obviously the family is devastated. Now, are you going to repeat the statement you made in your above post to your family?

"""I propose that we let those who have it die without any attempts to prolong their life."""

HIV does not discriminate.

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RE: A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Tue Jul 31, 2001 9:33 am

>>Matt D:
Interesting topic. Comedian Chris Rock pointed said almost exactly the same thing you're saying about AIDS. The predatory capitalist pharmaceutical industry doesn't want to find a cure. Why? Because there is no profit in the cure. They rather have you hooked on medication and make you live longer with the disease/virus.
AIDS is a man-made disease in the first place. Just imagine if there was a cure, a more deadly disease/virus will come along and there will be a Band-Aid type medicine to come along with it.<<

If they find the cure, they are going to share it and make millions of dollars for millions of years selling it.

By your example, the Wright Brothers will still be "researching" manned power flight.
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RE: A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Tue Jul 31, 2001 1:54 pm

I'll put things into perspective here for the sake of common-sense:

The following is a dollars per victim comparison of federal research funding. Draw your own conclusions.

Alzheimer's disease - $81.00 per victim.
Breast Cancer - $200.00
Cancer - $338.00
Diabetes - $19.75
Heart disease - $74.00
HIV/AIDS - $2,143.00
Parkinson's disease - $34.00

Can anyone explain this?
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RE: A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Tue Jul 31, 2001 3:09 pm

Jetservice,

Where did you get that information from? Besides which why do you find it surprising considering the hideous consequences HIV can and has wreaked on communities around the world?

Do not forget that much of the HIV research can be used (and will has / will be) for other human conditions. Do you forget that it's not the AIDS virus that kills humans it's the secondary infections / diseases that kill us after our defense system has been made dysfunctional by HIV?

Think about it. Many, many treatments for various things have been trialled sucessfully on HIV patients who were desperate to 'try' anthing to stay alive, which have been used for the treatment of non-HIV problems.

One thing I will say is take a look at the HIV infection rates for Australia. We were one of the first countries in the world to adopt a nationwide policy of AIDS education, in school, on television, in all sectors of the community. Most of it very brutal and shocking. We have been pioneers in gay communites in getting people to "practise safe sex". Our policy of free needle exchange programs in areas where intravenous drug users are know to hang out has saved untold number of people from infection.

Even many chemists (pharmacies) will exchange a used syringe for a clean one - no questions asked. Someone can correct me if I am wrong but Ansett was one of the first airlines in the world to install needle disposal boxes on aircraft.

I could go on but I won't. The health authorities of this country were perhaps a little luckier than others as we have a national health program to draw funds from for such widespread health campaigns.

A cure must be found. I haven't lost a friend to HIV but I have done volunteer work for ACON. (Aids council of NSW) So I have seen the awful and horrible way people die from this. And trust me it's not a particularly quick or simple way to die, many times it is through suffering and fighting one illness after another until it all comes crashing down. I'm not saying many other illnesses are easy but this one is particularly horrible.

There is never enough money to spend on research for a cure for this horrible thing. I would like certain people to visit just one of the many African nations that have so many people suffering without proper hospitals and without medication. Little kids, pregnant women and teenagers dying slow painful deaths at home or in overcrowded stinking unsanitary hospitals. It's worse than all those TV images of Africans dying of starvation in the 80's.

My heart goes out to those who are in that awful situation, as it does to the thousands of volunteers who are trying to help.

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RE: JetService

Tue Jul 31, 2001 3:30 pm

I'm not quite sure what you point is. I'll take a stab at it though. As has been pointed out in this post, AIDS is a viral infection and no cure has been discovered for any virus yet. Therefore the expense of research will certainly be higher.
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RE: A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Tue Jul 31, 2001 9:15 pm

IMiss, I'm not making a point. I just put those facts out there for people to draw their own conclusions. Now I will give my opinion followed by more facts. No one should take the consequences of any disease lightly and I don't think family members are any less saddened when a loved one died of complications of diabetes vs. HIV. Mx5_boy, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I actually feel you are saying this disease deserves more funding because its so horrible and kills people. Did you look at that list?!?!?! You can draw as ugly a picture as you want of HIV and AIDS, you will not convince me that it is anymore tragic than other diseases. If you disagree with that, fine, but don't demonize people because they feel a different disease deserves more funding. HIV/AIDS, while deadly, is one of easiest to avoid getting. Unlike other diseases, it etiology has been pinned down to extreme specifics. This is a good thing! Perhaps funding dollars should be allocated to take advantage of that. Here are some more stats for all to see. Unfortunately I could only find the numbers for the United States. These are number from the Center for Disease Control and Prevention and the National Center for Health Statistics

Top 20 Causes of Death in the United States (1998)
1. Heart Disease - 724,859
2. Cancer - 541,532
3. Stroke - 158,448
4. Bronchitis, Emphysema, Asthma - 112,584
5. Accidents - 97,835
6. Pneumonia & Influenza - 91,871
7. Diabetes - 64,751
8. Suicide - 30,575
9. Kidney Disease - 26,182
10. Liver Disease - 25,192
11. Septicemia - 23,731
12. Alzheimer's - 22,725
13. Murder (incl. justified) - 18,272
14. Atherosclerosis - 15,279
15. Hypertension - 14,308
16. Perinatal Period - 13,428
17. HIV/AIDS - 13,426
18. Birth Defects - 11,934
19. Benign Neoplasms - 7,933
20. Hernia - 6,635

Before your tell me that complications from HIV appear in other catagories such as pheumonia, don't bother. Death of HIV complications are classified under HIV/AIDS.

Disease is ugly indeed and I don't think any research and funding should be taken lightly. All I say is that it should be allocated proportionately with the basis of lives lost, not by who has the loudest political activists. Of course, private funding can do whatever they want. I'm talking about federal tax dollars here. Once again, we must demand as fair citizens that common-sense come before political correctness.
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RE: A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Wed Aug 01, 2001 7:58 am

Jetservice,

I see heart disease at the top of the list, why is that the top disease in the USA?

That may be the list for the United States but it would be interesting to see the stats for many of the African nations that are now feeling the pinch from HIV. We don't know how bad it is going to affect Asia yet either. The most important prevention measure with HIV is EDUCATION. Something that has been very sucessful in my country.

The lower rate of deaths from HIV is quite obvious isn't it? The newer drugs on the market can virtually elliminate all traces of the AIDS virus if taken correctly. However, these drugs are expensive and often have nasty side affects and are not for everyone. Also if you stop taking them the virus does reappear.

I love it when you throw stats around... How about giving us a timeline of HIV deaths v's R&D on drugs for Americans? Why do you think so much money is being spent on a cure or better drugs for HIV? We are not talking about just the United States. Think on a global perspective for a change.

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RE: A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Wed Aug 01, 2001 9:28 am

I agree with JetService, we need more federal money in the cancer area, and heart disease area. Focus on education for HIV and AIDS, but focus on cures for cancer and other diseases.

With proper education you will see AIDS death go down, but you need actual cures to see a noticeable difference in the decrease of cancer deaths.

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Cyka

Wed Aug 01, 2001 11:26 am

You really have no humanity in you, do you, son? Just let them die? What kind of person are you? That may sound good to you, since you don't have it, but you might sing another tune if someone you know and loved came down with the disease. Had people thought the way you did before there were treatments for Polio, Rhubella, Chicken Pox, Measles, Cancer, Lukemia, and the like, we would have never found a cure or treatments for these awful diseases that killed untold numbers in our dark, now-distant past.

and I have news-you'll never git "rid" of it, until you find a cure. We already know you have no faith in God, we now know you have no faith, nor feelings, for humanity, either. And so you didn't want to be flamed-too bad. You deserved it.
 
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Cyka

Wed Aug 01, 2001 11:37 am

CYKA-remember, when it comes to your views on God, you're the outcast here, ok. We aren't the oddballs or freaks, you are. Someone who believes in God and an afterlife has something you'll probably never have-faith in what he/she cannot believe. Faith that that there's something bigger than themselves. You're completely centered on yourself, and that's why there is no God, because, to you, you are god.

Again, your lack of human decency is appalling, an deserves criticism.
 
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RE: A Cure For Aids? Not Likely

Wed Aug 01, 2001 12:05 pm

Mx5_boy, I did try to get worldwide numbers, but had no luck. It would indeed be interesting to see how the rest of the world is doing. I agree with you on one point you made on your last post. Education is indeed the best way. In fact I made that point myself prior. As far as a global scale, I don't have a problem with the USA helping other nations to a reasonable extent. I feel the proportion of foreign aid funds allocated for research should be based on victims abroad just as domestic research funds should apply proportionately to American lives. But in my opinion, it should be clear were the larger proportion of domestic research funds should go. I do want to make one thing clear; any research for the sake of foreign ills should not come out of the same pot as domestic. While foreign aid is expected, domestic issues should always come first. I'm sorry if you have a problem with that, that is just my opinion. Finally, I am glad you like the stats. They are indeed helpful in making sound opinions, provided, of course, that they are credible.
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