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Graduate Management Admissions Test

Tue Jul 31, 2001 8:49 am

Once I have completed my BSc in Business over here in the UK I hope to move back to the US and go to a top school (Harvard, Yale, ect) for my masters. I want to do this for a couple reasons firstly being I want my masters, but I also feel that having an academic goal as high as this after my Bachelors will make me work harder and achieve better marks on this course. After looking over the requirements I have noticed that you are required to inform them on Graduate Management Admissions Test (GMAT), what is this exactly? Can you only take this test in the US? Any and all information is appreciated.
Thanks,
Iain
 
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RE: Graduate Management Admissions Test

Tue Jul 31, 2001 9:08 am

I don't know if it's just a U.S. thing because I've never lived anywhere else, but it's just a standardized admissions test to get into grad school like the LSAT is for lawschool, the MCAT for med school, or the SAT or SAT for undergrad. You have to take it to get into a grad school in the U.S.
 
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RE: Graduate Management Admissions Test

Tue Jul 31, 2001 9:28 am

Yeah, just what she said, but U. of Pennsylvania is ranked highest I think. Donald Trump went to the Wharton school there.

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RE: Graduate Management Admissions Test

Tue Jul 31, 2001 10:10 am

Ianhol,

Hi, I am currently an MBA student at Loyola University here in Chicago so I had to take the GMAT to be accepted. The only thing I can say about the test is: It's the hardest test I've ever taken in my life. Also, add in the factor of: this will be the main determinant in me getting into an excellent business school and things become much tougher. It is definitely a mental test of durability, if anything. I showed up at the test center at 7:30Am and didn't get out off there until about 5:30PM, just to give you an idea.

I have a few suggestions:
First, take a course that trains you in the GMAT. Believe me, it's worth the money and the time! They will familiarize you with the question and answer format as well as excellent ways to manage your time.

Second, make the GMAT your life the month before you take your test. Do nothing but questions and answers all day long. Practice makes perfect.

Third, keep in mind that the GMAT, as big as it is, is NOT the main determinant in getting in the top schools of business in the US. They take pretty darn good scores but they you would also have to have an excellent academic background as well as an well-rounded background. So do what you can now to earn the grades and then ace the GMAT.

Good luck!
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RE: Graduate Management Admissions Test

Tue Jul 31, 2001 10:14 am

This website should give you the info you're looking for. The test sucks though, I hated studying for that thing, but I got into grad school, so I can't complain.

http://www.gmac.com/
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RE: Graduate Management Admissions Test

Tue Jul 31, 2001 6:52 pm

Thanks guys!
Iain
 
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RE: Graduate Management Admissions Test

Tue Jul 31, 2001 7:50 pm

Iain whats the rush, get through the BSC course first then think about an MBA, an MBA is worthwhile usually after a few years of work, as alot of assignment are helpful with real life examples.

I am amusing that a BSC is a Bachelor of Science, usually in Aus a batchelor of Science is science in a physics, chemistry biology sense, where Batchelor of Business would include, Accounting, Management, Human Resources, Marketing.

My university is making the GMAT test a requirement for admission for next year. Checking some of those questions looked awfully hard.
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RE: Graduate Management Admissions Test

Tue Jul 31, 2001 8:32 pm

Iain: The advice provided previously to this post is accurate. I took the GMAT and LSAT back in the mid-1980s, and both tests are ball busters. Kaplan has an excellent test service for either test. Also, don't overlook the better "state" schools such as Penn, Virginia, and Michigan. Good luck. (BTW, you don't need an MBA to fly a bus for BA  Smile)
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RE: Graduate Management Admissions Test

Tue Jul 31, 2001 8:37 pm

You can take the Gmat in many centers around the world. It used to be pen and paper but now is made by computer.

It is a horrible test but not impossible. Just need a lot of practice. If you are good in math or logic should not be a major problem. The english part is the most tough I think; the questions are annoying.

As said the Gmat is just one requirement. My friend had an average Gmat score (520) an she entered Tuck, one of the top MBA's in America. Working experience is also looked sometimes as a requirement.
 
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RE: Graduate Management Admissions Test

Tue Jul 31, 2001 8:38 pm

>>Iain whats the rush<<

As I stated in the begining I feel that having an academic goal after my bachelors will improve the quality of work on this course.

Iain
 
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RE: Graduate Management Admissions Test

Tue Jul 31, 2001 10:44 pm

>>As I stated in the begining I feel that having an academic goal after my bachelors will improve the quality of work on this course.<<

It may or may not. You just might put so much pressure on yourself to succeed that you will fail. "If I don't get a perfect score on this exam, my life is ruined!".

If you are really focused on getting into these top notch schools, develop good study habits, time management skills, and set small goals for yourself. There are lots of books on this and your college can help you too. These habits will help you in whatever career you choose. And if you use them wisely, you'll be walking in Harvard Yard in no time.


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RE: Graduate Management Admissions Test

Tue Jul 31, 2001 10:49 pm

>>It may or may not. You just might put so much pressure on yourself to succeed that you will fail.<<

I highly doubt that will happen, I think it will do me some good, and motivate me to work harder.
Iain
 
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RE: Graduate Management Admissions Test

Tue Jul 31, 2001 11:35 pm

The GMAT is hard. No question. I'm proud to say I didn't study for it and I passed (just barely). These days, it's administered on a computer. Imagine staring at a computer for 4 hours with the time left to complete each section ticking away on the corner of your screen!

BTW, the University of Chicago and Northwestern University also have excellent MBA programs.
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RE: Graduate Management Admissions Test

Wed Aug 01, 2001 12:11 am

Two of the top three B-schools in the U.S are in Chicago -
1)Northwestern's Kellogg School of Business
2) Harvard University
3) Gleacher School of Business at University of Chicago

And then DePaul University's part time school of business is in the top five. Loyola University's Center for Organizational Development (what I'm studying) is also in the top five in the nation. Chicago is a great place to go to school, no matter how big the school is you still get that "small school-big city" feel.

The previous comments were right, however. Most of the B-schools in the US (at least the good ones) won't accept you unless you have had a significant amount of work experience - that way you can bring something to the classroom. My program required me to have at least 6 years of working experience. I barely made that requirement. They made an exception in my case because of my excellent transcripts in undergrad as well as my GMAT scores and I pretty much convinced them in the one-on-one interview that I will succeed in the program.

Just my additional thoughts...
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RE: Graduate Management Admissions Test

Wed Aug 01, 2001 12:29 am

Perhaps our man Iain can cite to his pub work and stable of chicks as appropriate work experience. Do they give credit for "horizontal" experience?
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RE: Graduate Management Admissions Test

Wed Aug 01, 2001 2:34 am

Hey there is nothing wrong with working at the pub, it is actually really good fun. I must admit I am very surprised at the responce I have gotten here, I thought it would be a long shot if anyone could shed some light on the subject, however you guys certainly answer my question.
Iain
 
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RE: Graduate Management Admissions Test

Wed Aug 01, 2001 2:59 am

I'm not knocking your work in a pub Iain, I also worked in one when I was in college. BTW, can you recommend a pub in London.
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RE: Graduate Management Admissions Test

Wed Aug 01, 2001 3:14 am

Stretch there are many good pubs in London, I recommend checking this site out http://www.londonpubs.org.uk
The reason I stated I wanted to got to a top college is because I feel I can get into one, and if I stay here I can get it done in 1 year, so inorder to make it worth it, I would like it to be quite a well known and respected one.
Iain
 
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RE: Graduate Management Admissions Test

Wed Aug 01, 2001 3:29 am

Iain, thanks for the tip. From your posts, I can tell you are a bright young man who will go very far. And I mean that. -Richard
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RE: Graduate Management Admissions Test

Wed Aug 01, 2001 3:43 am

Thanks Stretch!
Iain
 
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RE: Graduate Management Admissions Test

Wed Aug 01, 2001 12:19 pm

Iain,
Tough test. I second the above info with the following additions. Take a class from The Princeton Review or at least get their prep book. But most of all, no matter how much you want to, if you are having trouble with a problem, guess and move on. On the math part, I spent way too much time on one problem that I felt I should be able to do, and as a result, hurried through the rest, in the process missing who knows how many questions that I could have gotten correct with the time I had wasted on that one. See, since it's on the computer, you must answer a question before moving on; you can't leave it blank and go back. Also, don't worry so much about the essay part, it is not weighted that heavily.
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RE: Graduate Management Admissions Test

Wed Aug 01, 2001 1:57 pm

This is good information.

As for me, I'm just applying this year for admission into the Berkeley HAAS School of Business.

Pending acceptance into, and graduation from, that program, I'll need to know all this for attempting an MBA.

Here is the ranking of undergrad business schools:

1) UPenn - Wharton
2) MIT
3) HAAS (tied with UMich)
3) UMich - Kramer (tied with HAAS)


FACTOID: Did you know Walter A. Haas (who the school is named after) was a very influential board member of United Airlines?

=)

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RE: Graduate Management Admissions Test

Thu Aug 02, 2001 2:30 pm

Iain - I had to take that test to get onto the MBA programme for Harvard, starting next year. I sat it here in London. Personally I thought it was piss-easy - much easier than the equivalents in the UK. The only slight difficulty was the insistance on using pounds and ounces instead of metric, but even so it was fine. A bit like the standard numeracy/verbal reasoning tests you take to get onto UK graduate programmes in companies, but less time-pressured.
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RE: Graduate Management Admissions Test

Thu Aug 02, 2001 2:55 pm

How could anyone imagine Iainhol going to anything less than Harvard, Yale etc?

Can't you say ANYTHING without an annoying brag?
 
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RE: Graduate Management Admissions Test

Thu Aug 02, 2001 8:16 pm

Thanks for the advice guys!

CPDC10-30 - I think I can get into a top school, so why are you trying to bring me down? Envy?
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RE: Graduate Management Admissions Test

Fri Aug 03, 2001 2:04 am

I hope to move back to the US and go to a top school (Harvard, Yale, ect) for my masters. I want to do this for a couple reasons firstly being I want my masters, but I also feel that having an academic goal as high as this after my Bachelors will make me work harder and achieve better marks on this course


Iain,

I personally think that motivating yourself that way is a great idea. A person really needs to have something to work for if they want to achieve. You seem like a very bright and capable person. I'm sure that you will be able to accomplish anything you set your mind to.

I was considering taking the GMAT, however, I don't think I'm quite smart enough for all that management stuff, so I'm just going to fly airplanes instead.

PS - Harvard has a great Business School. They use the 'case-study' method of teaching business (whatever that is) so it is a different tack on things... And you would be highly sought after as management.
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RE: Graduate Management Admissions Test

Fri Aug 03, 2001 6:57 am

A case study method of teaching and learning is being able to apply the theoretical aspects of business (marketing, human resources, accounting, etc) into a situation on a case by case basis. Cases, of course, vary from a simple problem to a complicated organizational disaster. What the facilitator is looking for is not the solution to the problem but how you get there. For instance, did you really come up with the real problem or is it just a symptom of the real problem and you are just merely scratching the surface? And there are several ways to do this (like the "5 why's?", "check-recheck", statistical methods) which you will learn. Anyway, once you have your theory then you present it in the proper format. Harvard, by the way doesn't do this all the time, only for certain tracks of study. They are mainly known for their name recognition. The methods of teaching are the same, the amount of publications their professors have, however, is different.
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RE: Graduate Management Admissions Test

Sun Aug 05, 2001 4:33 am

Thanks again guys! Just writing to ask about books some one did mention the Princeton Review books, any other book recommendations?
Thanks,
Iain

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