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Battlecruiser HMS Hood

Tue Jul 31, 2001 11:00 am

Gentlemen...
In addition to aviation, I'm also a huge fan of WWII history. Recently the HMS Hood was relocated after 60 years since she went down under the guns of the Bismarck. However, all I can learn is that she lies in 3000 meters of water (10,000 feet), and that she's suffered more damage than first realized. Does anyone here know anymore details about her, in this recent discovery? As always, any info is greatly appreciated. Thanks & regards.
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RE: Battlecruiser HMS Hood

Tue Jul 31, 2001 11:08 am

I like WWII history as well, Flagship, but I didnt hear about this, I assume that guy Robert Ballard found her??

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RE: Battlecruiser HMS Hood

Tue Jul 31, 2001 11:12 am

No, Bob Ballard didn't have anything to do with this discovery at all. This is some ocean group that I've never heard of before now. Stand by...I may still have that newspaper I read this from. But it gives very little details. Regards.
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RE: Battlecruiser HMS Hood

Tue Jul 31, 2001 11:13 am

There are from http://www.warships1.com




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RE: Battlecruiser HMS Hood

Tue Jul 31, 2001 12:29 pm

I heard the group has decided to keep the actual whereabouts of the wreck a secret for fear of robbers, as it is considered to be a memorial.
 
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RE: Battlecruiser HMS Hood

Tue Jul 31, 2001 9:54 pm

Even the U.S.S. Arizona didn't loose as many men as the Hood did. Out of a crew of 1,421, only three men survived when a shell from the German battleship Bismark hit one of Hood's magazines. Had the Hood had more armor protection and had the armor been in the vital areas, then it probably wouldn't have been blown to bits.
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RE: Battlecruiser HMS Hood

Wed Aug 01, 2001 12:46 am

Also, the British had a bad habit of taking the gun powder and ammunition out of where ever it wqas stored, and protected, thinking that they could get to it faster and easier. With all thge ammo and gun powder exposed, that helped lead to the massive explosions. I saw this on the History Channel on there special about battleships.
 
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RE: Battlecruiser HMS Hood

Wed Aug 01, 2001 3:28 am

B757300 is right about the armour, ironically Hood was due a comprehensive refit, including much greater protection, when war broke out.
Hood was found by a team sponsored by the UK's Channel 4 news, the last surviour still alive gave permission and appeared on the news reports.
The ship is on it's back, and few large structures could be seen, but the ship's bell was found.
The loss of HMS Hood proved one thing, the future was aircraft carriers, torpedo attacks from FAA aircraft damaged the Bismark, making it a sitting target for the guns of the Home Fleet.
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RE: Battlecruiser HMS Hood

Wed Aug 01, 2001 7:31 am

Actually, if Hitler followed his original "Plan-Z", he would have had a balanced fleet by 1948 including a minimum of two carriers. Hitler had originally planned 1948 to be the year war was to begin. Thank God he was stupid enough to start the war in 1939.

This would have been the minimal German fleet in 1948.

Carriers:
2+ Graf Zeppelin class aircraft carriers

Battleships:
6 "Class H" Battleships (Very Close to the U.S. Iowa Class except for number of main rifles.)
2 Bismark Class Battleships
2 Scharnhorst Class Battleships (Armed with Originally Specified 15" Guns)

Battle Cruisers:
3 Schlachtkreuzer Class Battle Cruisers
8-12 Kreuser Class Battle Cruisers
3 Deutschland Class "Pocket Battleships" but
really Battle Cruisers

Heavy Cruisers & Other Kinds of Ships:
5 Admiral Hipper Class Heavy Cruisers
Nuerous Destroyers, Frigates (Destroyer-Escorts) Submarines (U-Boats), and Torpedo boats.

http://www.warships1.com/German.htm
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RE: Battlecruiser HMS Hood

Thu Aug 02, 2001 3:02 am

Interesting stuff about plan Z, you could argue that Hitler also screwed-up by not stopping construction of the Battleships when war broke out, and put everything into U-Boat construction instead.
 
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RE: Battlecruiser HMS Hood

Thu Aug 02, 2001 12:25 pm

The allies greatest asset in Germany was Adolf Hitler. If he had told his generals "Go win the war, I'll be talking a vacation in Austria.", I would hate to think of the result.
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RE: Battlecruiser HMS Hood

Wed Aug 08, 2001 5:14 pm

Ahhh.....I have that Johnny Horton song going through my head.

If memory serves the German Navy started the war with a third of the submarine fleet that Karl Donitz wanted to have at the start of the war.

Could you imagine how much tighter the noose around Britian would have been with that larger sub fleet.

Actually the latest evidence is that the Germans scuttled the Bismark to avoid the Brits sinking her and claiming a victory. Sort of another Graf Spree thing.
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RE: Battlecruiser HMS Hood

Wed Aug 08, 2001 7:11 pm

Flagship,

You've hit a subject dear to my heart. The Battlecruiser has been a subject I have loved even more than battleships and carriers, I've got tons of books on them.

The Battlecruiser was a failed experiment that only lasted about 10 years, and primarily a British invention, pushed by Lord Jacky Fisher. The idea was to take a battleship design, eliminate much of the armor, and stretch the hull by 100 or more feet, and the result would be essentially a superfast battleship which could dictate the rules of engagement to the other side - if the opponent was more powerful, the battlecruiser can run, if the opponent is less powerful, it could dictate the range of engagement, blasting away with heavy guns and denying the opponent a chance of closing in with torpedoes. As the design necessitated a long, thin hull, built for speed and with battleship-style weaponery, it also resulted in the most beautiful military designs ever.

Having the heavy calibre weapons of battleships tempted admirals to use them in the battle line, which resulted in disaster at Trafalgar. The last battlecruisers (including the Hood) which were then under construction were either cancelled or completed with some major modifications.

The first battlecruiser, the Indomitable, was completed in 1908. The last one was the Hood, in 1918.

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RE: Cfalk

Thu Aug 09, 2001 12:59 am

Charles...
Glad I could make your day. Just wondering if you knew that the US Navy had a pair of battlecruisers in the WWII timeline. The Alaska class consisted of the Alaska (CB-1), Guam (CB-2) & Hawaii (CB-3). Three others in the class were never laid down. Only Alaska & Guam saw service in the war, being commissioned in 1944. Hawaii was 82 percent completed by the end of the war. And all three were scrapped in 1961. Technically these ships were successful in their own right, but the top brass felt otherwise given the recent memory of the HMS Hood. The Hood, the Alaska class & the Germans' Scharnhorst class were interesting ships for their time. Regards.
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RE: Battlecruiser HMS Hood

Thu Aug 09, 2001 1:03 am

Charles,

I suppose you meant the Battle of Jutland in 1916 rather than Trafalgar, right?

The Royal Navy lost 3 battlecruisers at Jutland to the Germans, with casualty figures for each lost ship matching that of the Hood disaster. Supposedly some lessons were learnt and put into the design of the Hood, but one lesson that was obviously not learnt by Admiralty was not to use battlecruisers as if they were full-fledged battleships.

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RE: Battlecruiser HMS Hood

Thu Aug 09, 2001 1:49 am

Did I say Trafalgar!?!

I did, and I had the book right in front of me when I did it. Jutland it was.

Duh!!!

The U.S. Battlecruisers were an anachronism. By the way, the Lexington and Saratoga, the first proper aircraft carriers (large and fast) were actually converted battlecruiser hulls.

I suppose the U.S. still kinda liked the idea because of the size of the pacific ocean, where having that kind of firepower with that kind of speed could have strategic implications. But the Royal Navy (still the reference to me until WWII) practically abandoned the concept after Jutland.

Cheers,

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RE: Battlecruiser HMS Hood

Thu Aug 09, 2001 3:34 am

Well not exactly a warship, here is a Battlecruiser Hood of a different type.
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