airways1
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Circumcision

Sun Aug 12, 2001 11:54 pm

Circumcision for religious reasons is nothing short of child abuse. The only reason it is accepted in society is political. It cannot be banned because there would be too much opposition against it from the religious groups that practise this abuse.

If a new 'religion' were to proclaim that they would cut their childs' ears off on the grounds of their beliefs, it would be outlawed straight away. Unfortunately this cannot be done for the established religions.

And don't any religious people come on here and retort that everyone has a right to their own views. I agree with that completely, and it is those people who are imposing their views and beliefs on their children by circumcising them.
 
LufthansaUSA
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RE: Circumcision

Mon Aug 13, 2001 12:30 am

Sorry, but your argument doesn't hold water. In order to hear clearly, you need ears. If I am not mistaken, circumcision does not affect the person at all, therefore you do not NEED the foreskin. I find it equivalent to removing the tonsils, they're there, but you dont need them. Stop screaming, your argument makes no sense.
 
airways1
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RE: Circumcision

Mon Aug 13, 2001 12:43 am

I meant only part of the external ear, like the ear lobe, which isn't essential for hearing.

And whether you believe the comparison is good or not, it doesn't change the principal. OK, let's take your example of tonsils - same thing applies.

Furthermore, circumcision can affect sensitivity so you are wrong to say that "circumcision does not affect the person at all".
 
AC320
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RE: Circumcision

Mon Aug 13, 2001 2:32 am

Airways1,

There are documented health benefits of circumcision. In case you are not aware, most circumcisions performed today are done regardless of religious preference shortly after birth in the hospital.

And the ear lobe is essential for hearing. The "auricle" as I believe its anatomically referred to helps to channel sound into the audtory canal. If you did not have this, there would be a noticable drop in the quality of sound you can hear and from which directions those sounds can be recieved.

And the foreskin is not an essential part of the human body. so why make such a fuss? Did they take a little too much off the top?

sorry for the crudeness, just demonstrating how silly this whole thing is
fuddle duddle
 
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RE: Circumcision

Mon Aug 13, 2001 2:44 am

What about female circumcision? That is nothing more than barbaric.

About male circumcision, there is no proven health benefits at all; as long as hygiene is given priority...which it should anyway.

But then again, there is nothing more that I hate than to see a guy with a sleeping bag....ewwwwww.
 
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RE: Circumcision

Mon Aug 13, 2001 2:52 am

What is the point of this topic?

It doesn't matter whether someone is circumcised or not. It makes no difference, apart from the appearance.
 
AC320
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RE: Circumcision

Mon Aug 13, 2001 3:05 am

"there is no proven health benefits at all; as long as hygiene is given priority"

You really should read more on the subject. The health benefits of circumcision mostly include that fact that bacteria and other nasties cannot grow as they normally would under the foreskin. Unfortunately, many people do not observe proper hygienne and that's the key. You'd be surprised how common this concern can be.
fuddle duddle
 
airways1
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RE: Circumcision

Mon Aug 13, 2001 3:12 am

I am not against circumcision. It MAY have health benefits, but it should be up to the individual then if they want to be circumcised.

I am just against it being imposed on children before they are old enough to have a say.
 
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Mon Aug 13, 2001 3:20 am

(VirginLover, Hawaiibelle and other minors need not reply.)


Would you have sexual intercourse with the uncircumcised?
 
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RE: Circumcision

Mon Aug 13, 2001 10:42 am

I agree circumision should not be allowed without the express written permission of the person that is being circumsised. And circumcision does affect sensititvity, uncircumsised people experience more pleasure during sex than circumsised people.
 
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RE: Circumcision

Mon Aug 13, 2001 10:46 am

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RE: Circumcision

Mon Aug 13, 2001 11:33 am

Personally, I am glad I got chopped in infancy, because while people decry it as being against someone's will, it is also a lot less painful when done in infancy, and also, let's be honest, how many guys are going to be able to keep down an erection for the recommended healing time?  Smile I know I'd be splitting my stiches in 48 hours Big grin

Personally, I think it is up to the parents to decide, whatever their reasons may be.

LH423
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RE: Circumcision

Mon Aug 13, 2001 11:35 am

Our parents made all of our decisions when we were infantile. SO, why can't they make this one? I dont see the big deal.
 
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RE: Circumcision

Mon Aug 13, 2001 11:54 am

This has me curious.. Females have them too????!?!?!?

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RE: Circumcision

Mon Aug 13, 2001 12:08 pm

Its perfectly fine (and GOOD) and is very important in religion. For example, Jewish babies are circumcized on the eighth day as a symbolic union with God (sorry if I'm a bit off, but thats how this Christian boy learned it). And I'm with LH423 on this one.... I'm glad it was done many many years ago.
 
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RE: Circumcision

Mon Aug 13, 2001 12:11 pm

I am with LufthansaUSA and Jaspike.

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us330
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RE: Circumcision

Mon Aug 13, 2001 12:22 pm

N400QX you are right on. It is symbolic of the covenant between Moses and God.
 
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RE: Circumcision

Mon Aug 13, 2001 1:51 pm

Am I the only here who is uncircumsized?? Why is it such a big deal, I'm glad I am the way God (if he exists) made me.

Scotty, that hurt! And I thought we had something.  Big grin
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jared
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RE: Circumcision

Mon Aug 13, 2001 1:56 pm

Circumcision is evil.

Also why has no one touched on the fact that sexual stuff is supposed to be BETTER if you are UNcircumsized because the foreskin has a lot lot lot of nerve endings.
 
Superfly
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RE: Circumcision

Mon Aug 13, 2001 2:00 pm

Stop circumcision now! !

I want my foreskin back!  Pissed
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We're Nuts

Mon Aug 13, 2001 3:27 pm

Your not alone, im no "baldie" either. As some have pointed out it should be left to indidual to decide. Cutting of a part of a persons body for some "up in the clouds" reason is unacepteble. And yes, uncircumsized people do have higher sensitivity since the skin which covers the nerve endings is much thinner, offering better transmition of the stimuli.

Also whats this "would you have sex with an uncircumsized person" crap? People have mated using their uncircumsized organs for hundred of thousands of years and now these same normal people are suppose have a smaller chance of copulating?

One more thing, infants feel the same pain that you would feel today if you were circumsized. Just because they dont remember it later(along with everything else) doesent mean they dont go through the agony.
 
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RE: We're Nuts

Mon Aug 13, 2001 3:49 pm

Whew, thank God.

You know nowadays they have this thing that will totally numb the area, I think it's called... NOVOCAIN! And what's better is that it is safe to use on adults. If you don't want it, chop it off.

And regarding the argument what a hat-less snake is cleaner, not true today! A well maintain uncircumcised head can be as clean or cleaner than its circumcised counterpart. There is no medical reason for circumcision, but there are reasons against it. Why risk screwing up your sex life that early?

Superfly, there are certain procedures now that can restore foreskin.
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DeltaRNOmd-80
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RE: Circumcision

Mon Aug 13, 2001 4:58 pm

If I were a girl I wouldnt want all those germs and bacteria going into my hole. Uncircumcized is gross and girls will look at you wierd when you pull it out, so it actually decreases your sex life.
 
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RE: Circumcision

Mon Aug 13, 2001 5:07 pm

Like you dont already have all those germs and bacteria on your shlong, not to mention the infestation of microbes living both inside and outside of female genitals(including funguses....ie yeast infections). Thats a pretty weak and uneducated argument your presenting.
 
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RE: Circumcision

Mon Aug 13, 2001 5:10 pm

I'd love to see you back that up, DeltaRNO! Or maybe you are just upset that we get better sex.
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aio86
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RE: Circumcision

Mon Aug 13, 2001 5:40 pm

The jewish covonent thing was actually between Abraham and god, but close enough.
 
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RE: Circumcision

Mon Aug 13, 2001 9:28 pm

I am against pushing a religion on your kids. As circumcision is used for that in kids, I am against it. If it is done on purely medical grounds it becomes another matter entirely.
I am also against baptising babies. They are from then on branded as belonging to some religious group. with circumcision the branding is visible on the body, making it even worse.
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RE: Circumcision

Mon Aug 13, 2001 9:59 pm

As far as I know, one of the main reasons for the introduction of circumcision was to decrease sexual pleasure in order to suppress masturbation.

I´ve read about Moses Maimonides, one of the medieval jewish wise men stating this explicitly. The same argument was made when it was introduced in the USA.

Not that it actually worked, apparently...  Wink/being sarcastic


From the Salon:
In "Guide to the Perplexed," Maimonides wrote that the commandment to circumcise "has not been prescribed with a view to perfecting what is defective congenitally, but to perfecting what is defective morally." Celebrated for his chastity by the sages, Maimonides elaborates: "With regard to circumcision one of the reasons for it is, in my opinion, the wish to bring about a decrease in sexual intercourse and a weakening of the organ in question, so that this activity be diminished and the organ be in as quiet a state as possible ... The fact that circumcision weakens the faculty of sexual excitement and sometimes perhaps diminishes the pleasure is indubitable. For if at birth this member has been made to bleed and has had its covering taken away from it, it must indubitably be weakened."

Also:
Dr. John Harvey Kellogg, a well-known fundamentalist health reformer and medical journalist (his 1888 "Plain Facts for Old and Young" included roughly 100 pages dedicated to "Secret Vice [Solitary or Self Abuse]") who went on to create the world's preeminent corn flake, was more direct in his approach. "A remedy for masturbation which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision," he wrote. "The operation should be performed by a surgeon without administering an anesthetic, as the brief pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment. In females, the author has found the application of pure carbolic acid to the clitoris an excellent means of allaying the abnormal excitement."

The original article is found here: http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/1998/10/26feature.html


I´m quite content to still be intact...  Smile
 
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RE: Circumcision

Mon Aug 13, 2001 11:47 pm


I actually read in a science magazine that circumcized men have a better sex life - here´s why:

because the uncovered penis is in constant contact with your underpants, it´s "used to" a certain amount of rubbing. In other words, you need more rubbing to become sexually aroused. The result: you have less problems with "ejaculatio praecox" - which the ladies tend to like.

Daniel Smile
 
jared
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RE: Circumcision

Tue Aug 14, 2001 2:30 am

Right, decrease sensitivity...a wonderful thing to do!

I'm sure every girl out there would LOVE decreased sensitivity when it came to their "things" eh?
 
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RE: Circumcision

Tue Aug 14, 2001 2:57 am

We're Nuts - you're not the only one. And I hate religions in general, so I am against circumcision.
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RE: Circumcision

Tue Aug 14, 2001 12:40 pm

Stop circumcision now! !

I can neither confirm, nor deny above post
 
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RE: Circumcision

Tue Aug 14, 2001 12:48 pm

Well, last year in my World Cutlures class we learned about the circumcision practices from around the world and religious reasons for them. Let me tell you that THAT was an interesting discussion. By the way, female circumcision?? What exactly is that? I have heard of it but what and where is cut? Is this a common practice anywhere?
 
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RE: Circumcision

Tue Aug 14, 2001 12:57 pm

I am not religious at all. I don't believe in organized religion what so ever, so why do religious parents cut their male baby's penis foreskin off? I don't get it.
 
Superfly
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RE: Circumcision

Tue Aug 14, 2001 1:02 pm

Pgh234:
This is a horrible act practiced in some West-African tribes as well as in Southeast Asia. It is illegal in industrialized nations and will grant asylum for women escaping these countries except the United States.

Circumcision should stop worldwide period!
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AC320
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RE: Circumcision

Tue Aug 14, 2001 1:06 pm

RealHigh,

"A very wacky & twisted religion to be honest"

Thank you for utterly bashing and insulting Judaism with your comment. I'm sure you just typed it in a matter that you did not intend. so a simple apology and correction would suffice. Thanks.

A slightly ticked-off AC320..........
fuddle duddle
 
AC320
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RE: Circumcision

Tue Aug 14, 2001 1:14 pm

I can't believe I'm having my religion insulted for the political actions of others. How dare you Archie Bunker! If I had a disrespected users list you'd be right at the top now.
fuddle duddle
 
Superfly
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RE: Circumcision

Tue Aug 14, 2001 1:16 pm

I cannot speak for RealHigh and
I certainly have nothing against the beliefs of Judaism however,
any religion that mutilates there newborn males genitals is a bit wacky to me.


I am ticked off to, I want my foreskin back?  Pissed
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RE: Circumcision

Tue Aug 14, 2001 1:17 pm

Huh?  Confused

Read carefully...it's a skill.

Please don't attack the messenger.


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Female Circumcision

Tue Aug 14, 2001 1:17 pm

Here are 2 links on female circumcision. It is a common practice, absolutely, in Africa mainly.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_cirm.htm

http://www.fgm.org

It is quite a barbaric practice. Have a look at the comparison with male vs female circumcision.

http://www.fgm.org/MalevFemCirc.html

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But even if I really did feel that way, baby, for you I would make an exception  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Circumcision

Tue Aug 14, 2001 1:35 pm

This is a hilarious topic, to be honest. I am not, er, scientifically versed on the subject, but I think if there is the possibility of health benefits from circumcision, why not? I myself prefer it "cut." haha.

RealHigh: Not cool. At all.

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N400QX
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RE: Circumcision

Tue Aug 14, 2001 1:52 pm

I agree Aaron. Welcome back, btw!
 
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RE: Circumcision

Tue Aug 14, 2001 2:03 pm

hmmm... Thank You Aviatsiya. Guess ya learn something new everyday and ya, for the females, it is quite barbaric. yuck.

pgh234
 
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RE: Circumcision

Tue Aug 14, 2001 2:25 pm

This whole circumcision thing is a lot of hot air. I don't know the exact statistics but having had a few years experience with Australian men I have never once come across an uncut specimen.

I am also led to believe the practice is still very strong as a lot more parents do it for asthetic reasons. (ie:- the perception a cut penis looks better.)

I've read on an internet site how some men crave to have their foreskins back and go through some weird proceedures to do it... Why?

mb
 
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RE: Circumcision

Tue Aug 14, 2001 2:29 pm

Anyone who bashes someone personally for what they believe in should shut up. Religious people and Atheists, there are things called virtues!!! FOLLOW AT LEAST SOME OF THEM
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RE: Circumcision

Tue Aug 14, 2001 3:10 pm

Whew, you had me scared there for a mo', Scotty. Big grin

Mxxx5_boy, never seen an uncut man? Wait 'til I come to Australia!  Big thumbs up


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RE: Circumcision

Tue Aug 14, 2001 3:17 pm

Well Big Nuts,

How can I refuse an offer like that?

BTW - How do I put it delicately, I've never been with a un-cut man. I have seen pictures.

This is getting cheeky!

 Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile

mb
 
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RE: Circumcision

Tue Aug 14, 2001 11:04 pm

Uncut dicks get dirty and are nasty looking--all that skin drooping off your tool. I prefer mine without the giftwrapping!
 
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RE: Circumcision

Tue Aug 14, 2001 11:56 pm

I'm uncut and proud of it. Hell, they probably couldn't find the cutters big enough for the job anyway!!!  Big thumbs up
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RE: Circumcision

Wed Aug 15, 2001 2:56 am

Uncut is filthy!
This practice suppresses sexual appetite and also we would be screwing around like animals!
It's also easier for me to stay celebit this way.

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