Matt D
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A Curse...or Just Bad Luck?

Sun Aug 26, 2001 6:38 am

Ordinarily I've always dismissed the notion of curses, hexes and spells as utter nonsense. But now, I'm starting to wonder. Have I become the victim of one, or is it just bad luck? Or do I simply need to replace some equipment?

The incident in question involves using my CD-R unit and copying/mixing a couple of CD's.

Up until now, my CD-R unit (a piece of audio equipment and not used in conjunction with my PC) has functioned just fine. I've made numerous CD compilations and mixes with no trouble (other than my own "screw ups").

But for some reason, when copying and mixing 2 particular CD's (Robert Miles' "Dreamland" and "23AM"), my CD-R refuses to copy them the way I want them to. I am not doing a straight dub of either one. I'm taking some tracks from both discs and trying to mix them together onto one CD. If I take an individual track off of either one, and mix it with a handful of other CD's, I've never had a problem. It's only when I try and record these two together.

Something will happen. Either the record drive will not recognize the track increments that I set (I suppose I could continue recording-with the finished product being a CD with one 75 minute track). Other times, I'll be midway through recording, and the unit will shut down for no discrenable reason and refuse to finalize the disc. I did not touch any of the controls or anything. Sometimes I won't even be in the sam room when it happens. It will flash "DISC ERROR" on the display when I try and finalize it. But it will "read" 12 (or however many tracks I put down) and 79:58 for the total time (even if I only recorded 45, 50, or 3 minutes of music). Then, I have to throw the disc away and start over. Since standard CD-R discs are one-time use only, if you screw up, the disc is ruined. I've gone through an entire 10-pack of Maxell CD-R 80 blank discs trying to make this compilation.

At first, I thought maybe the SCMS circuitry did not like the CD's. So I switched to analog mode, but to no avail. And it's not an error in the source discs because if it was, the malfunction would occur at the same point of reference. Sometimes, it'll shut down on the 5th song. Other times, at the very end. And again, when the track increments refuse to set, it can be at any point.

I'll then switch music, and make a CD of something else. And it works just fine.

I can't make heads or tails of any of this, and it's frustrating as hell.

So is it time for a new CD-R unit? Or has Roberto Concina (a.k.a. Robert Miles) put a curse on his music that says no one will be able to successfully copy his music-and this curse actually works?
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RE: A Curse...or Just Bad Luck?

Sun Aug 26, 2001 11:13 am

I have heard that some cds are made un-copyable..

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RE: A Curse...or Just Bad Luck?

Sun Aug 26, 2001 11:23 am

First of all, if you know anything about recording, you'd know that NO CD is "uncopyable". Especially if it's dubbed as an analog source.

Second, you should re-read the post. I've been able to make copies of individual tracks before without any trouble when copying with other CD's.

And third, if there was some kindof embedded signal preventing copying, it would kick in at the same point in the CD every time. Yet teh unit malfunctions anywhere and everywhere, seemingly at random.

Fourth, it was ONLY when using these two disc's together.

Now anyone want to give me an intelligent reply?
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RE: A Curse...or Just Bad Luck?

Sun Aug 26, 2001 11:24 am

Two possibilities that I can think of:

1) One of the discs has a problem, maybe a scratch or some data error that you normally don't notice but the drive is having problems reading that section of the disc.

2) Copy protected disc, you need a computer to get around it. The stand alone units are not advanced enough to get around copy protection that a few studios are implementing. On a computer it is fairly easy, I have backed up a few "protected" CDs.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Good luck, & I don't think this is a curse. Maybe just a tech bug somewhere along the line. Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: A Curse...or Just Bad Luck?

Sun Aug 26, 2001 11:26 am

Matt, if they copy alone fine, then my post is no help, lol, sorry man. I will ask a friend of mine who is really good with this stuff & get back with ya. Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: A Curse...or Just Bad Luck?

Sun Aug 26, 2001 11:45 am

Try doing straight dubs of both CDs and use the new ones to mix the tracks.
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RE: A Curse...or Just Bad Luck?

Sun Aug 26, 2001 1:38 pm

Hey Matt... I e-mailed this post to a friend of mine who is smart with this stuff. I will forward to you some of his ideas. First thing, the "NO CD is uncopyable" comment is correct. All CD's can be copied, just some are a lot harder than others and some equipment can't handle the complications. He said since this is a stand alone unit the software in it is very simple and easy to give up with any complications without a good excuse, which seems to be what is happening & it is hard to diagnose. He said the first thing he would do is be sure the two CD's copy fine individually, but mix the tracks, don't do them in order. If possible, use CD-RW's while doing all this so you aren't making shiny frisbees. If they copy okay, use these new copies to create the new mix. If this doesn't work post exactly what happens and he said he'd try to figure it out for you. Also he said check the manufacture's website and be sure they don't have any known issues with the unit.

Second idea, he said it sounds like you could be going too fast. If you are going faster than 1x, don't. Even if the CD says it can. Maxell isn't a high end disc, so this can very well be a problem. Try HP or Memorex if you want to go fast, both cost a little more than average but are also more reliable and might be worth it to you if you are ruining a bunch of cheap ones. If you have used these same CD's before then they are probably okay, but still try 1x for this mix.

Also, when you said "it will "read" 12 (or however many tracks I put down) and 79:58 for the total time (even if I only recorded 45, 50, or 3 minutes of music)." -- he wasn't sure if you knew, but that will always happen with a failed CD, no matter what the cause is. That is because the very beginning of the disc says that information for the CD player.

Good luck! Give an update & I will be sure to see if he can help anymore. Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: A Curse...or Just Bad Luck?

Mon Aug 27, 2001 12:25 pm

Matt D,
I must say, you have an excellent taste in music. Robert Miles makes some very unique sounds. I usually don't fork out money for CDs, but I actually went out to the store and bought his.

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