ryanb741
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UK Opens Embassy In North Korea

Wed Aug 29, 2001 8:28 pm

The UK has announced that it is to open an embassy in the North Korean capital Pyongyang in order to foster closer relationships between the two countries.

Do you believe this is a good idea, or is it simply the recognition of a totalitarian state?
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RE: UK Opens Embassy In North Korea

Wed Aug 29, 2001 9:06 pm

I read somewhere a few months back that the US had apprehended a North Korean man with smuggled US military secrets bound for China. When interrogated as to where he obtained them from, his answer was that they originated from British intelligence sources based in North Korea.

Hmm, I don't know how true all of that smuggling stuff is, but an approchement between the two countries is a tad suspicious when looked at in this context. Is the UK trying to form an alliance with China, fearing that the USA's days are numbered? What do they know that we don't? (Cue x-files theme.....)
 
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RE: UK Opens Embassy In North Korea

Wed Aug 29, 2001 11:10 pm

It sounds like a little too much paranoia to me.

While I don't approve of how Communist governments work, I think that they are still nations, need to be recognized, and therefore can have embassies.

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RE: UK Opens Embassy In North Korea

Thu Aug 30, 2001 12:04 am

Hey! You're wrong!
It isn't a UK embassy. it's a British Embassy. The Irish aren't British, and some might be offended being called British!
Brits are just the English, Scotish and Welsh!
 
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RE: UK Opens Embassy In North Korea

Thu Aug 30, 2001 2:37 am

Jaspike:
And Ireland is not a member of the United Kindgom. So there is nothing wrong with it.

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Avion

Thu Aug 30, 2001 2:45 am

My point was that it wasn't a UK Embassy- there is no such thing- it's a British Embassy. I know that Ireland is part of the UK, but not Britain. Ireland have their own Embassy (maybe...perhaps...I don't know!)
 
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Japanese Rocket

Thu Aug 30, 2001 2:55 am

I didn't know the Japanese did this sort of thing...

Wednesday, 29 August, 2001, 10:44 GMT 11:44 UK
Japanese rocket blasts off

H-IIA facts
Ht - 53 metres (174 feet)
Wt - 285 tonnes
Cost - $71m
Payload - 4 tonnes




Launch went smoothly after several delays

Japan has successfully launched its H-IIA rocket, which is seen as vital to the future of the national space programme.
The rocket blasted off into a clear blue sky from its launch site on Tanegashima island, about 1,000km (625 miles) south of Tokyo, at 1600 (0700GMT).



This was very much a success. We should get bonus points

Nasda spokesman Yorihiko Kikuyama
Forty minutes later, the craft deployed a test satellite, crowning a mission described by a National Space Development Agency (Nasda) spokesman as "very much a success".

The H-IIA rocket is intended to establish a Japanese presence in the commercial satellite launch market, now dominated by the United States and Europe, but it has suffered repeated technical problems.

Relieved applause

Live pictures broadcast on Japanese television showed relieved Nasda personnel break into restrained applause shortly after the launch.

Commentary described the engines and navigational systems as running smoothly as the rocket climbed towards its orbit 270 km (167 miles) above the Earth.

About half-way up and beyond the Earth's atmosphere, the heat deflecting fairing protecting the payload compartment separated from the craft, followed shortly after by the first-stage engine.

A Nasda official said the payload and second stage engine would remain in orbit for about a year until they burned up on re-entering the atmosphere.

The launch had been delayed several times - a last-minute hitch with loading rocket fuel put back the schedule by several hours on Wednesday.

Last week, a problem with a valve in one of the rocket's engines was exacerbated by the arrival of Typhoon Pabuk, which prevented investigators from flying to the launch site from the mainland.

Troubled project

Nasda was set up in 1969 and launched Japan's first totally self-developed rocket, the H-II, in 1994.



The last H-II was destroyed after launch

But the H-II programme was cancelled in 1999 after the first-stage engine of the rocket cut out too early and the rocket was deliberately destroyed along with its $83m (£57m) satellite payload.

Six other H-IIs were launched and both the second and sixth launch missions had problems inserting their satellite payloads into correct orbits.

Experience gained on the H-II programme has been incorporated into the H-IIA, intended as a competitor to Europe's Ariane system.

The first H-IIA was due to fly in February 2001, but there were problems with the rocket's pipes and plating, and the launch was rescheduled for August.

Nasda is optimistic about the H-IIA's future, despite the cancellation in 2000 by Hughes Space and Communications International of a $710m (£489m) order for 10 H-IIAs.

The H-IIA is designed specifically for commercial launches and costs half as much as its predecessor. It can put a four-tonne payload into orbit, and Nasda hopes that this will be extended to a 7.5 tonne capacity within two years.

The 53-metre high rocket is built using 20% fewer parts than its predecessor, which makes it cheaper, and less likely to go wrong.

BBC News
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1514000/1514468.stm
 
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RE: UK Opens Embassy In North Korea

Thu Aug 30, 2001 3:00 am

I don't know how the hell ^that post up there^ got there!
 
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Jaspike

Thu Aug 30, 2001 3:36 am

An answer to your off-topic question!
Japan put a satellite up before the UK did, (Japan march 1970, UK, Black Arrow rocket carrying Prospero satellite, 1971).
After long torturous experimental developments, with some 'national' launches, Japan tried to get into the commercial launch game with the H2 rocket in the 1990's, but it was very expensive and unrealiable.
The current version, launched yesterday, is a simpler, cheaper version. But they will have a hard time breaking into the market dominated by the US, Europe and Russia.
What did the UK do after 1971......don't get me started!
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As for the original question, pretending that the hellish, Orwellian N.Korean regime does not exsist will not solve anything, so the UK is right, hard as it is to see any immediate benefits.
 
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RE: Jaspike

Thu Aug 30, 2001 4:30 am

Not UK, Britain.
 
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UK/Britain?

Thu Aug 30, 2001 4:34 am

Let's distinguish between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

The full name for the UK is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

So, Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain, but is part of the UK.

And Ireland, the Republic, is a completely independent country and is not part of either.
 
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RE: UK/Britain?

Fri Aug 31, 2001 12:58 am

United Kingdom is the whole lot. (ROI, Northern Ireland, England, Wales and Scotland.)
Great Britain is the same, but not with the Republic of Ireland (ROI)

Understand now?

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RE: UK/Britain?

Sat Sep 01, 2001 3:26 am

No, Airways1 is right, Eire cannot be part of the UK because it's been independant since the 1920's. It has it's own consititution with a President as head of state, not the British Royal Family, (lucky them)!
So it's a question of politics, not geography.

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