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Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?

Sun Sep 16, 2001 2:36 am

Now that the U.S. has declared war, I wonder who will step up to be on our side?
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RE: Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?

Sun Sep 16, 2001 2:54 am

All NATO nations, as well as maybe Russia, China has also offered military support.
 
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RE: Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?

Sun Sep 16, 2001 3:35 am

Interesting question. Colin Powell just aluded to the answer -- those nations that are on our side will be asked to belly up to the bar in the next few days. If they don't, we know where they stand.

The tragedy that occured this week leaves no ambiguity -- it was so horrendous, barabaric and inhuman that any nation who fails to offer support for helping eradicate terrorism can be considered, unambiguously, a true enemy of the US and its allies.

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RE: Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?

Sun Sep 16, 2001 3:47 am

And to add to what Delta-flyer said, it would sure suck for them with all that firepower against them, the only one we have to worry about would be China, otherwise I think all the other big and powerful are on our side.
 
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RE: Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?

Sun Sep 16, 2001 3:49 am

China will be onside...they are Pakistan's greatest backers.
 
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RE: Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?

Sun Sep 16, 2001 4:06 am

Here is where Colin Powell will either shine or fade away. I hope it's the former, I know he has the brains to pull it off.

I think China will be with us. Their rapidly rising economy is intricately tied to the Western world, not the Third World. Pakistan will be on board, too, even, optimistically, Afganistan.

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RE: Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?

Sun Sep 16, 2001 5:07 am

In light of such a tragedy, becoming allies with China would be spectacular. Just one week ago, many considered China to be the #1 adversary to America. It is amazing how quickly things can change.
 
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RE: Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?

Sun Sep 16, 2001 5:12 am

The NATO members, and possibly Russia, China, and Pakistan.
 
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RE: Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?

Sun Sep 16, 2001 5:15 am

right now, i can't see any major nations that will not back the us. but earlier today, i saw a former general say that this could be an 8-10 year war on terrorism. if, indeed the war carries on this long, i have a feeling that some of our current allies will drop their military and economic support.
 
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Sun Sep 16, 2001 5:30 am

5280AGL: In light of such a tragedy, becoming allies with China would be spectacular. Just one week ago, many considered China to be the #1 adversary to America. It is amazing how quickly things can change.

Don´t kid yourself: Very many alliances are unstable; Stalin sided with Hitler before he switched to the side of the western allies. And after that, back out and on with China...
 
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RE: Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?

Sun Sep 16, 2001 6:00 am

The more people in the alliance the better as it means here is more pressure on the US not to act irrationally. I am shocked by the number of people who think heavy military strikes are the answer - if you want to create 10,000 Bin Ladens then go right ahead, but if you choose to listen to your allies and act responsibly and JUSTLY then please lets have more allies.

I only hope some Muslim countries join the alliance, to add a bit of perspective. It is disgusting to hear people saying Iran (as an example) is a suspect - any modern visitor to Iran will see it as the most progressive country in the refion.
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RE: Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?

Sun Sep 16, 2001 6:05 am

Didn't the news just say that Iran would possibly aid the U.S. with military support?
 
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Sun Sep 16, 2001 6:10 am

Very probable - the Iranians DESPISE the Taleban who have murdered Iranian diplomats and are flooding Iran with heroin. In fact, the UN had to exert pressure on Iran to not invade Afghanistan last year as they were getting so p*ssed with the Taleban. Iran would attack Afghanistan tomorrow if given the chance!
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RE: Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?

Sun Sep 16, 2001 6:25 am

All NATO nations now that article 5 of NATO was voted. The same article that USA was opposing for when the Turks hit Cyprus. Strange, huh?
 
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RE: Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?

Sun Sep 16, 2001 7:07 am

Just one week ago, many considered China to be the #1 adversary to America.

I think it would be more accurate to say that China is a competitor rather than an adversary.

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RE: Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?

Sun Sep 16, 2001 7:40 am

All NATO members, plus Russia, China, (maybe) Pakistan, Australia, NZ, Japan.
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RE: Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?

Sun Sep 16, 2001 7:45 am

Lewis, put your Greek biases (i.e Turks, and the USA) aside and think about justice rather than political propaganda that they spoon feed you in Greece. I have heard it all, including my grandmother in Athens saying that we deserved this horrible act. I realize that they hate the Americans, but now the whole world needs to hunt down these horrible people not just the US. It is a world problem not just an American problem.
 
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RE: Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?

Sun Sep 16, 2001 8:26 am


Pakistan will be a valuable and useful ally. Take a look. They live right next door to Afghanistan. Their people have the advantage of having identical appearance to Afghanis.
They are the best bet for going in and blending in with the Afghani population for purposes of extracting information. IE eyeballing whats happening and reporting back. None of this can an American or European do.
Mega numbers of troops in for a ground (Mountain) war?
Forget it. The Russians tried it, and the number of body bags was never a concern of theirs, so any American presence on the ground would be hindered because of the concern for casualties.
Strikes will come from the air, once the targets are identified.
The British have historical experience in the area, having failed to keep control in the days of the Raj, but their historical knowledge of the terrain etc will be invaluable. They have it mapped out to the last yard.
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RE: Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?

Sun Sep 16, 2001 9:24 am

R347216 wrote:
Pakistan will be a valuable and useful ally. Take a look. They live right next door to Afghanistan. Their people have the advantage of having identical appearance to Afghanis.

This is a good point that I overlooked. This attack has to be carefully planned and evaluated. Contrary to popular public opinion, an airstrike or a groundstirke will not solve the issue, in fact, it may worsen it. true, it will probably give the pulic (mostly Americans) a temporary sense of satisfaction but ultimately does not resolve the issue. Someone pointed out that this is a world problem and I agree, therefore strategic warfare planning and impeccable and precise time and information management are key. As we all know, that can indeed take a while. Unfortunately, I think at this point everybody, particularly the US) is just anxious.
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RE: Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?

Sun Sep 16, 2001 11:16 am

Latest word from news and analysts is China and Russia will NOT participate in any military action, nor will they allow US forces the use of their bases.

They do condemn this action, but philosphically, they have a different view on terrorism as something from the inside, rather than an external threat.

The best we can hope for is their support in the UN (not vetoing any action) and sharing of intelligence resources -- which is already good enough!

 
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RE: Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?

Sun Sep 16, 2001 11:47 am

Iran is still being coy. I kind of feel sorry for Pakistan. They are screwed either way. I think they took the gamble that US will succeed in toppling Taliban. But that is HUGE! Also, sounds like Saudi Arabia and UAE is reconsidering their recognizing Taliban as legitimate.
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RE: Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?

Sun Sep 16, 2001 4:36 pm

I just heard from a friend that Pakistan does not want anything to do with the U.S. This is just hearsay so if someone has more accurate info regarding this please inform us.

If it's true, I'm still shopping around for reasons of why they wouldn't go with us. Whoah, this could get controversial amongst the world leaders.
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RE: Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?

Sun Sep 16, 2001 5:16 pm

Australia was very quick to raise its hand saying that it wished to help the Americans, as Australian Prime Minister John Howard was in Washington at the time of the incident to celebrate ANZUS. Australia should play quite a large role as the US have already asked that HMAS Anzac (one of the worlds fastest frigates) stay in the gulf when it was heading home to Australia.
 
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RE: Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?

Sun Sep 16, 2001 6:03 pm

A report in the Norwegian newspaper "Aftenposten" (Evening Mail) only this morning,had an article on Pakistan and it's stance in this situation.Pakistan was the first,and only? country to acknowledge Taliban as the legitimate leaders in Afghanistan.Also,many of Pakistan's citizens,some say as much as 65-70% of the population have strong sympathies with Taliban,so don't count on Pakistan for the time being!
Basing American and Allied forces in Pakistan might seem remote.
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RE: Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?

Sun Sep 16, 2001 7:27 pm

Olympic A-340:I agree that every nation should help USA because after all, this was a terrible thing. But unless they have strong proof, they cannot attack a whole nation. They should try to hunt down the responsible people but not kill all Afghans that live with 30 cents per day! Their misery is enough. Even if Bin Laden is responsible they should hunt him down and not erase a nation from the map!
 
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RE: Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?

Sun Sep 16, 2001 7:41 pm

And about the propaganda thing: don't forget that Americans are the ones that don't get fully informed. Pictures of dead innocents in Iraq, Yugoslavia etc never get to your homes but can be seen in greek, italian and other european news. You only think that you kill the bad guys everytime you bomb a country. Maybe USA didn't deserve this, especially the hit of the WTC and the dead from the airplanes (i'm leaving out the pendagon deliberately) but everyone can say that USA now knows how much anger the nation has caused around the world.
 
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RE: Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?

Sun Sep 16, 2001 8:55 pm

This is whats weird to me. The "world" thinks the US is evil for attacing Iraq and Serbia but they forget that these two countries were participating in mass genocide. It took 10 years for somebody to do something about the Serbian atrocities. Now that NATO did something you say it was wrong. Is this because you are impotent or because you secretly take the side of evil? If you think that the US targets civilian targets on purpose then you are a misguided fool.

If the Taliban doesent hand over Bei Ladin and all involved parties then there should be full out war. Pesonally i dont think there is a difference between Bei Ladins organization and the Taliban, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Yemen, UAE, and others. They all have public executions, treat their women like crap, and they all have a deep hate for the US. The people of these countries are not civilized and all oil does to them is makes them greedy. The only reason some of these countries hide their true nature is because they are scared sh*tless of Iraqi and Palastinian syle supression. If these countries dont put pressure on Afganistan to hand over Bei Laden then I consider them the enemy.
 
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RE: Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?

Sun Sep 16, 2001 9:23 pm

The UK is the number one ally of the Americans.
While other european countries are saying they are supporting the americans, countries like France will nevre backed america 100%, they will not criticise it and will keep to the same postition every time there are Air Strikes against Iraq.

Pakistan is stuck, it will have to let the americans use its space, otherwise the finger of suspicion will be pointed at it.

all the arab countries comdeming the action, including iran and liberia are simply doing so because they are worried about the US-led attacks that will occur.

I am fully expecting air strikes against Iraq as well as the taliban, i am then expecting them to attack pakistan and the taliban to be fall.

israel will be jubliant if the taliban and iraq are attacked and so will turkey an dother, more liberal states.

the UK though, with canada and israel will be themain backers and UK forces will be used.

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RE: Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?

Sun Sep 16, 2001 9:46 pm

ALL countries that value Democratic values stand by the US in its hour of need. Whatever the world needs to do to rid the menace of international terrorism will be done collectively, and if the US takes the lead, the other countries will follow.

BUt i would like to ask, would getting Osama Bin Laden's a*** help in oslving the probloem in any way? Nope. infact u are going to exacerbate the problem by creatig a bin-Laden out of all those students learning in those madarsa's, which ironically the US helped to set up.

do u guys even know who bin Laden is? He is an ogre the US created to fight the Soviets. The network of madarsa's (Islamic schools) in Pakistan were also set up by the US. Today these Madarsas are instrumental in exportng terrorists to India and Israel, who have been the main victims of this lopsided US policy. Both India and Israel had been shouting themselves hoarse to throttle this network, but to no avail. What was it that u'r Prez told us? "One Man's freedom fighter is anothers terrorist." Quote unquote.

Both India and Israel ought to be saying that to the US govt. now!

The solution is to establish a system in place to systematically root out the terrorist camps worldwide, and not to get Bin Laden.

The US should think about establishing some sort of Joint Working Group to ensure a co-ordinated response to terrorism rather than the "lets get Laden" kind of hogwash. Such a group already exists between India and Israel, and i think the US, along with RUssia must join in.

But first of all, i think u'r Prez must get rid of that a*** called Colin Powell. He is the guy who once felt that Pakistani "mujahids" were a "strategic asset". I wonder how these "strategic assets" backfired!
 
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RE: Who Are The U.S. Allies Going To Be?

Mon Sep 17, 2001 12:44 am

All I can say is that if Pakistan is a US ally, the US has to promise it will support Pakistan after the strikes as Pakistan will be left to pick up the pieces. I hope there is no repeat of the despicable allied actions in Iraq where we supported the Kurds and got them to fight with us based on the promise we were going all the way to overthrow Saddam, and then we pulled out leaving them to be killed in revenge by him. If we mess up Pakistan this time (and I reckon there will be a Civil War in Pakistan as a result of this) then we are as bad as the terrorists.
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