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They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Sun Sep 16, 2001 1:37 pm

I've heard on CNN that all the Afgans over there are running and preparing for immenent US attack. I've heard people are digging ditches, etc, but I have bad news to bring to you all, it's not gonna help.

I fully support Bush on this. I know George Bush Sr. is going to give his son advice and guidance through this through his experience of Desert Storm. GWB has made it clear that the people who are responsible and their followers will pay for this.

So basically this means that we are planning to bomb the !@#$ out of Afganistan. And I'm damn glad it's happening. They deserve it, it's time to get rid of these damn morons. Laden is the prime suspect, the hijackers are linked to him, and I think he is the asshole who carried this plan out.

The Afganistan government says bin Laden is not responsible for these two reasons:

A. Bin Laden doesn't have pilots
B. There are no flight training facilities in Afganistan

Complete BS! He sent a bunch of idiots to the US to get flight training at US facilities! The FBI has already figured out numerous clues of all this, and it all relates to bin Laden. So, you might as well say goodbye to him, he's running, but I will bet my life that we find him. Laden is going to be with Allah soon, or somewhere else...

Now, I think many innocent women and children will be killed when we attack them and that is horrible, but this happened with NYC as well. How could people be so stupid as to carry out a plan like this against the US and get away with it? So, I would be running my ass off if I were anywhere in Afganistan. It's gonna happen, we know the Bushes here.

So, Afganistanians, you can run and you can hide, but it won't help, .................................sorry.



So, do you think that the US should bomb Afganistan?

I certainly think so, they asked for it, and now they're going to get it.

The US is coming...
 
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Sun Sep 16, 2001 1:42 pm

Might I mention this is my own personal view.

So please share yours!  Smile
 
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Sun Sep 16, 2001 1:52 pm

Personally, I think we should LEVEL Afghanistan..

Chris
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Sun Sep 16, 2001 1:54 pm

Of course tha Taliban claims are ridiculous.

On problem, however, is that many people in Afghanistan don´t identify with them. And most of them certainly aren´t responsible for their lunatic "leader´s" ideas or actions.

If Bin Laden should actually have been behind it (and it looks a lot like there was somebody else closer to the crime), it may get difficult to hit him specifically.

Just one other thought: He was reported to have collaborated with the CIA for years. Probably yet another reason to kill him rather than have him sit on the stand...
 
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Sun Sep 16, 2001 1:55 pm

I don't think we should bomb the #@$#@ out of Afghanistan. We should target the terrorist organizations and the Taliban.

The terrorists responsible for these actions are no doubt already in hiding, so there is really no rush to retaliate. We should take our time to identify targets, and then engage in air strikes.
Basically, I feel we should seek to destroy the terrorist training camps and hunt down as many of the actual terrorists as possible. I also include the Taliban, not only because they apparently harbor many of these terrorists, but also because they are guilty of numerous human rights violations.

The Taliban deserve whatever comes to them. The vast majority of Afghani citizens do not, however. The sad thing about all these extremist governments is that they rule by fear and not by the consent of their people. The Taliban betrayed their people, promising to rebuild the country and instead implementing draconian laws, public executions, racketeering etc...etc... There is no doubt that many, if not most Afghans do not support the Taliban and do not condone the acts of terrorism against the US in any way.
 
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Sun Sep 16, 2001 2:00 pm

"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
 
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Sun Sep 16, 2001 2:04 pm

B757300, that's funny as hell. Maybe bush should have a T-shirt made with that on it! Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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Sun Sep 16, 2001 2:06 pm





"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
 
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Sun Sep 16, 2001 2:06 pm

Exellent B757300!
 
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Sun Sep 16, 2001 2:23 pm

If what I heard on Fox News is correct, then our military operations will be called "Operation Noble Eagle".



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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Sun Sep 16, 2001 2:47 pm

I'm sure some have seen the little bumper sticker with the kid pissing on Ford/Chevy. Well I saw one with white shoe polish showing a kid pissing on Bin Laden. May Bin Laden live in fear for the rest of his life.
 
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Sun Sep 16, 2001 2:52 pm

The people that are trying to flee afganistan are INNOCENT CIVILIANS that DONT WANT TO BE ATTACKED!!
what is wrong with that?
 
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Sun Sep 16, 2001 3:23 pm

Bombstar, are you saying the people in NYC were asking to be attacked? I don't care what they think, it was their goverment that suppoted it, they should be blown up!
 
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Sun Sep 16, 2001 3:32 pm

I Like To Fly I think that this is the first thing I have ever agreed with you about in this forum.
 
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Sun Sep 16, 2001 3:35 pm

Airbus380,  Big grin
 
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Sun Sep 16, 2001 10:46 pm

>>Bombstar, are you saying the people in NYC were asking to be attacked? I don't care what they think, it was their goverment that suppoted it, they should be blown up!

Don't comapre America to the terrorists! This country should never target innocent civilians. America is all about justice and respect of human life. We should never sink to the level of the criminals responsible for Tuesday's attack. I support a tough military response... but one that targets the government in Afganistan, not innocent civilians!

People like "I Like to Fly" and "Airbus380" make me want to throw up. They are just as bad as Bin Laden and McVeigh!
 
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Sun Sep 16, 2001 10:57 pm

For all of you who are not old enough to remember, or didn't listen in history class, the targeting of civilians in times of war has taken place over the centuries and the US has been just as involved as every other country.

There's nothing to be ashamed about though.

Civilians and soldiers are the same when it comes to war.....only the clothes are different.

War is horrible......there is no such thing as a sanitized, clinical, precision guided war either.......which is exactly why the free nations of the world should retaliate in a manner that befits the original attack.

It's time America started acting like the most powerful nation of earth for a change too.......I for one can't wait to see the morning glow of the irradiated Afghani countryside after every single human being and building has been obliterated. But I doubt it will happen that way.

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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Sun Sep 16, 2001 11:41 pm

God bless the USA!!!!

And pass the Ammunition.
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Mon Sep 17, 2001 12:11 am

LISTEN UP!!!!

For people to go around calling for the devastation of an entire country is absolutely evil.

Bomb the fuck out of Afghanistan, and you are killing thousands of innocent people. The goat herders who are barely surviving on subsistence farming, the people in Kabul who are NOT followers of the Taliban, the people fighting against the Taliban who wish to bring peace, human rights and democracy to Afghanistan.

If this saturation bombing does occur, and the lives of innocent civilians are taken, please do not look at me for any sympathy when more American cities are bombed to kingdom come, because you will have it coming!!!

This will also place the American government right up there in the realm of the TERRORISTS!!!!!!!!!!! Although I am sure the "western" world will find some reason to let the American "terrorists" get away with it. I for one wouldn't....remember....terrorism is needing to be eradicated......not the lives of innocent civilians.

Also, may I ask, why the hell is it only when American lives are taken, that terrorism is all of a sudden needed to be eradicated? We have seen this scourge of humanity been taking place for the last few hundred years and America has done nothing about it in the past!!!

Am I angry about this terrible act last week? Bet your arse I am, but I am also angry about the attitudes of some of the (mostly) American people wishing for the lives of innocent people to be taken!!!
 
 
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Mon Sep 17, 2001 12:40 am

L-188,

Your point being????
 
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Mon Sep 17, 2001 12:53 am

Yes, L-188. Like Juul asked....what is your point?

Our invokion of the ANZUS treaty is not unconditional either, neither should it be. We will require ALL intelligence data that has been amassed thus far before any action.

And don't get me wrong...if even so much as one American bomb deliberately targets innocent civilians, I will be the first to demand a withdrawal of Australian troops from this action. Furthermore, if Australia is attacked because of any deliberate killing of civilians, I will not hold those attackers responsible as much as what I will hold America responsible.

So L-188....what was your point again?
 
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Mon Sep 17, 2001 1:00 am

Scotty.....

What were the people in the WTC and the Pentagon guilty of ? You make it sound like it's OK for the terorists to do what they did.

You imply that if we bomb Afghanistan/Bin Laden's suspected whereabouts/etc we are going to kill thousands of innocent people.

That's the beauty of war my friend....and why nobody should try to start one.....it's a horrible way to die. Aren't you disgusted by the very thought of it ?

Those people are who are responsible and the country that harbored them are about to find out the same thing as well.

The US should hunt down and murder in cold blood anybody involved with any act of terrorism against their country....just as the free world should start to do.....and we should not stop until the oceans are red with their blood.
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2001 1:19 am

So Carioka,

You want to lower yourself to their level, then?

Of course the people in the WTC or the Pentagon were innocent, but that's hardly the point. If you do the same to them (supposing it WAS Bin Laden who's responsible) and kill ten thousands of civilians, you're just as bad as them! And that has nothing to do with the pursuit of justice. That is ugly revenge. Nothing noble about that!

I think the US should tread VERY carefully in response to this tragedy. Because there is no doubt in my mind that once the first bombs are dropped on Afghanistan, the terrorism will really erupt. Don't think for one second that Bin Laden doesn't have more terror waiting.
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2001 1:25 am

Just a though....

You know Hammarabi's(spl?) code came from that part of the world.....

And I think that we know that one rule in it.
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Mon Sep 17, 2001 1:27 am

Juul.....

That's the only way to defeat anybody.....especially terrorists. Total war.....kill every single one who is involved and do not stop until you are certain that you have them all....and if a few thousand innocent people get killed along the way then too damn bad....we didn't start this war....but we are certainly going to finish it. That's where the morality of our reaction comes into play for me personally.

There is no need to destroy an entire country and it's population....but "if that's what it takes" to stop this then we must. And we must as a world do the same to anybody who continues to do this regardless of who they are.

That's the whole point of the UN actually....but unfortunately that organization is a joke unto itself.

 
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Mon Sep 17, 2001 1:30 am

Carioca, my response was in direct relation to "The747Man"'s post, in which he has pretty much said that the complete bombing of Afghanistan is totally warranted. The people in the WTC, Pentagon and the plane which crashed in Pennsylvania, are guilty of no crime. Neither are the people which I mentioned in Afghanistan, who will surely be killed if The747Man's "plan" was carried out. This is exactly what I am saying will make any person who launches such a campaign a terrorist, just like those people who perpetrated last weeks killings are terrorists.

The747Man is not calling for surgical strikes against a known target, but for the complete carpet bombing of an entire country. I quote:

So, Afganistanians, you can run and you can hide, but it won't help, .................................sorry. (On a sidenote, I think he should go back to school, as the people of Afghanistan are referred to Afghans or Afghanis).

I am actually disgusted by the events of the last week, but I am really not surprised by them. I am however surprised at the use of civilian aircraft in the conduction of their campaign. Why am I not surprised? Well, surprised by the attacks on New York and Washington, but not surprised by people being killed, as we see it on a daily basis in countries around the world. And not only are these deaths perpetuated by the "enemy", but also from nations which we call "friends".

As much as I despise death, I do agree that America should seek justice. By justice, I mean bringing whoever is responsible to trial to face his crimes. The "justice" which is being considered at the moment is "revenge".

But I am enough of a realist to know that any "justice" is going to be "revenge", and I know that innocent civilians will not be targetted (otherwise those nations involved in this action, cannot claim to hold moral highground), but I do hope that any deaths of innocent civilians are kept to a bare minimum, by only targetting surgical targets.

I hope you are now clear on where I stand Carioca. If not, keep asking me questions, and I will be happy to try and explain further.

Cheers
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2001 1:43 am

More for Carioca...

we didn't start this war....but we are certainly going to finish it. That's where the morality of our reaction comes into play for me personally.

This statement is completely incorrect.

America has been involved in this war for years. Why do you think you were targetted in the first place? For your tacit support of Israel (thru arming, training and funding) since 1946.

So don't for one minute think this is a war which has just started (as Bush would want you to think), but rather it is a war which America has been forced to admit it is already involved in.

I may or may not agree with America's policy in Israel. That is not important here. But was important are the facts which I have just raised above.

One thing I do not agree with is terrorism, and I don't care if that terrorism is carried out by Arabs or Israelis. There is no excuse for it.

So people can say that a few bombs will finish this "war", but I am sorry, the only true resolution will come thru political channels. Remember, Bush is the very same president who told the Russians in no certain terms, that with their problem with Chechen terrorists, the only way to deal with the problem is thru "non-violent and political" ways. This is after bombings by Chechens in various Russian cities. So what has changed, really?
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2001 1:54 am

>>It's time America started acting like the most powerful nation of earth for a change too.......I for one can't wait to see the morning glow of the irradiated Afghani countryside after every single human being and building has been obliterated.

You think that you are the total opposite of Bin Laden, but your mentality is the same! Shame on you! If you enjoy seeing people suffer, you are just a worthless sadist. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of Canadians are embarrased to have you as their compatriot.

Once again, a strong military response by the US is justified, but it should be aimed at enemy GOVERNMENTS, not CIVILIANS!
 
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Mon Sep 17, 2001 2:10 am

PHX-LJU.....

Your mentality has to be the same as a terrorist in order to defeat a terrorist. If that's what it takes.....so be it.....it will be unfortunate that "innocent civilians" get killed on both sides....but the terrorists have made it very clear that there is no distinction between soldiers and civilians and in order to bring to the perpetrators of this act the full fury of total war we will have to be just like them.

Scotty.....

I totally agree with your last post but wish to ad that I should have been more specific with my comment about "finishing it" as I was referring to the events of the last 10 or so years of terror attacks inflicted by what apparently seems to be the group of Bin Laden cohorts. The US has been at war with terrorism of some sort for the last 50 years I agree.......maybe now's the time to be more ruthless than political I think.

After all....isn't war politics at a different level ?
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2001 2:17 am

>>Your mentality has to be the same as a terrorist in order to defeat a terrorist. If that's what it takes.....so be it.....it will be unfortunate that "innocent civilians" get killed on both sides....but the terrorists have made it very clear that there is no distinction between soldiers and civilians and in order to bring to the perpetrators of this act the full fury of total war we will have to be just like them.

But America has to be better than the terrorits! Those criminals did target innocent civilians, but WE have to act more humanely. After all, we are the world's MORAL superpower.

We know that innocent civilians will be killed when the US responds. You can't prevent that in a war. I'm just saying that we should not TARGET civilians, unless we want to sink to the level of the terrorists.
 
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Mon Sep 17, 2001 2:24 am

Carioca

I would like to address this if I may:

The US has been at war with terrorism of some sort for the last 50 years I agree.......maybe now's the time to be more ruthless than political I think.

Does this mean that you are calling for the following countries to be dealt with in a forceful (i.e. bombing) way?

* Turkey - The Turks have been guilty of massive slaughtering of Kurdish civilians, as have the Kurds against the Turkish army
* Israel - Israel is by no means innocent when it comes to what is defined by the word terrorism
* Morocco - the regime in Rabat has been bombing and killing the Saharawi for years
* Ireland - IRA.....need I say more?

All of the above are guilty of either terrorist activities, or harbouring terrorists.

Should these countries not be attacked, because they are "friends" of America?

Remember, terrorism knows no religious borders, political borders, ideologicial borders or geographical borders, and if Bush is to be seen as serious on his "war" on terrorism, if I was living in one those countries which I have just mentioned, then I would be packing my bags and getting the hell out of there.
 
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Mon Sep 17, 2001 2:24 am

This "war" has been going on a long time, don't think it just started. And even if the US does bomb the Afghans, there has got to be something to remember,the US is going to be atacked repeatedly. These guys aren't one(meaning together) they are scattered, it's hard to eliminte a body which is so widely distributed. So all those who are screaming for total anihilation of Afghanistan, remember, even if the country is bombed off the face of the earth leaving nothing but a gaping hole, America will still be vulnerable to attack as there are thousands still out there.....think carefully about the wholistic bombing as the US will still be open to these fanatics.
As suggested, as a last resort, pinpoint actions not entire oblivion.(Anyway my stance on war is known)

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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Mon Sep 17, 2001 2:38 am

Scotty.....

I would say that ruthlessness can have different levels......both political and military. But since the 4 countries you have listed, to my knowledge anyways, have never attacked the US mainland in such a fashion as Tuesdays attack, I would think no action is warranted against them for what you discuss.

I do not advocate the US as the world's policeman either, as I am referring to only those attacks and terrorist events that have occurred against the US.....the rest of the world can fight amongst themselves in whatever manner that they see fit. And I for one as a leader would only have the political will and support to go against the perpetrators of Tuesdays action....not the other scenarios like you envisioned. That's the UN's job....LOL !!!

As a Canadian I would fully expect (and actually I hope) that the USA gives our government a lashing about the lax immigration and security we have here as well as insisting on increased levels of airport security more in line with a Strategic Air Command base than anything else. You see.....I fly on Tuesday......
 
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Mon Sep 17, 2001 3:03 am

B757300, you got anymore of them cartoons? Now would be a good time to post a few. Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2001 3:26 am

Carioca.....(expanding)

But since the 4 countries you have listed, to my knowledge anyways, have never attacked the US mainland in such a fashion as Tuesdays attack, I would think no action is warranted against them for what you discuss.

But why is no action warranted against them? Really? I thought that what Bush has declared a war on ALL terrorism, not just against the terrorists who attacked America this week just gone. Does it matter whether 5,000 people or only 50 people lose their lives in terrorist acts? All involve the use of violence, and loss of human life do they not? Isn't this what Bush is all against at the moment.....ALL terrorism?

I do not advocate the US as the world's policeman either, as I am referring to only those attacks and terrorist events that have occurred against the US.....the rest of the world can fight amongst themselves in whatever manner that they see fit. And I for one as a leader would only have the political will and support to go against the perpetrators of Tuesdays action....not the other scenarios like you envisioned. That's the UN's job....LOL !!!

The reason Bush isn't holding true to his words in ridding the world of terrorism, because as I mentioned, this will involve bombing friendly nations. Who wants that? Also, if these other forms of terrorism are for the UN, and if the rest of the world can fight amongst themselves, then why the hell is Canada and Australia (and other nations) getting involved? This is a problem between America and whoever attacked them....nothing at all to do with us, so why isn't it left to the Americans (or the UN) to deal with?

Bush has said that terrorism knows no bounds and needs to be eradicated, and as such, friend or foe, they have to be dealt with.

Until Bush stops dribbling shit and cuts to the chase, that he is only interested in ridding terrorism in those countries which he deems as "unfriendly", and not those in "friendly" nations, then the rest of the world has absolutely no business in joining in this fight, and he really has no moral highground. Although, he is playing the propaganda tune great at the moment, and sadly, people are actually believing it.
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2001 5:59 am

The countries in this are either with or without the US in this predicament. Either you're our enemy, or our friend. Pakistan was smart into supporting the US. Russia has made a huge mistake. They will now be our enemy and which we will treat them like an enemy. Bush and Powel (sp?) have made this clear.
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2001 6:01 am

Russia?

Did I miss something?
 
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Mon Sep 17, 2001 6:03 am

Yes sir you did, I see it on CNN right now, Russia will not support the US.
 
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Mon Sep 17, 2001 6:05 am

Hmmmm... better turn on the TV then.
 
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Mon Sep 17, 2001 6:14 am

 Big grin
 
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Mon Sep 17, 2001 6:25 am

some of these people should have been on question time in the uk last week(on bbc) were muslims heckled the former us ambassador ladier and slated america.

the taleban like the rest of the arab world are s**t scared, that why even iran condemmed the bomibngs,because they are worried they will be hit.

the tailban are nutcases who harm their own people and treat women like 2nd-class people, they deserve to die.

innocent civilians dont, but this is a war and those iodits who started by attacking america and having no thought of life have attacked the free world and have poked into bees nest.

The might of democracy, justice and the free world is coming to get these evil nutcases and they know it.

this is a war and they had no regard for life, i dont expect america to just kill innocents for no reason but this is war.

sod the geneva convention and sod the UN,

america, britain, germany and the rest of the free world have lost their loved ones..

and now its time to fight back.
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Mon Sep 17, 2001 6:29 am

there is a point here ppl,you can not support and harbor terrorist,its that simple,and the countries will pay and so will the orgs....of terrorist.Its plain out bull shit,but the afgans have to much sand in there ears.Either hand Bin Laden over or you are screwed.And then them saying it would be against the rules of there religion to hand him over,please i dont know or would stand to see a religion that teaches ppl to hate US or to kill them selfes and others to go to heaven.please its crap,and you ppl saying it would be mean to take ppl lives over there,please turn on you dam TV and look,no no no,im sorry i wont stand to hear that crap,we lost ppl and now the afgans will have to used for a lesson in teaching to world of terrorist it wont stand any more.......were coming."we will be ringing afgans door bell real soon and we wont be selling girl scout cookies"
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Mon Sep 17, 2001 6:30 am

The US needs to first address terrorism within it's own borders and then worry about retaliation against the Taliban. After all, it appears that we've been doing a pretty good job in terms of training our own terrorists! I hate to say it, but I feel the US most implement much tougher immigration laws and possibly even institute some systems of profiling (such as national idenity cards). Believe me, I don't like the idea, but I think some encroachments upon our freedom in the name of national security are merited.

Frankly, I'm not certain I'm in favor of bombing in Afghanistan. There are so many other countries with ties to bin Laden's organization. Reducing Afghanistan to rubble will cost the lives of countless innocent civilians, and will just solve a small part of the problem. What do we do about countries like Saudi Arabia and Egypt?? If we decude to bomb every country with any tie to these acts of terrorism in the name of justice, we will have started a world war that will cause far greater loss of life than the terrorist attacks themselves. Also, we must consider that all the would-be terrorists in the US with ties to the Middle East are going to lash out at us the second we start bombing Afghanistan.

Let's focus on what's practical. Protect America first and then play world cop.

 
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Mon Sep 17, 2001 6:32 am

Don't get me wrong...we should retaliate.

But 72 hours from now...that's being a bit hasty. Let's put on more economic pressure before resorting to violence.
 
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Mon Sep 17, 2001 6:38 am

AgnusBymaster:
"Let's focus on what's practical. Protect America first and then play world cop."
The coalition currently being formed is NOT for America's protection; it's for the world's protection.
If you ask that all the other countries protect America first, the coalition will rapidly disintegrate.
If the US feels that it can 'go it alone' in order to protect itself, why is the President so keen to form a coalition?
 
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RE: They Can Run & Hide, But It Won't Help Them...

Tue Sep 18, 2001 12:17 am

The USA will end up fighting with the British.Canada and israel will support, israel will get more sucidice bombs and invade palestine.

russia will attack all the terrorists int he former soviet republics and will approve of the taleban being wipped.

gemany and italy wont say anything to any one and will be full supporters of nato action.

france wont join in too much

and spain will attack eta....

and thats it.

pakistan will attack its own nutcases who will attack it after its tells the taleban were to go.

iraq will send a few missles over to israel and visa versa, iran will sit quite quietly and the saudis, egyptians and others will welcoem iraq and afghanistan being wipped and bin laden being killed.
It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit

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