ryanair
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How People Become

Thu Sep 20, 2001 11:19 pm

I believe there's no justification for ism, I've argued it here before.

I'd just like to tell you all about a family friend, they work in Britain for an airline. I think it shows how people become ist supporters, although this person is not, they feel they've seen enough destruction.

Their family is Palestinian, who lost all their land, property and livelihood as Israel expanded. As refugees they went to Jordon, from where they were accepted by Gadaffi's Libya.

Gadaffi's Government built them a big house, gave them a nice job, and compensated the dollar for dollar for all they lost.

'Their' life experience was:

Israel and those who support them primarily today the US = evil(for taking everything from them and destroying their lives for simply being born into the wrong religion - as they experienced it)

Gadaffi = wonderful (for taking them in and rebuilding their lives).

That is their experience, how ever much it differs from ours in the west and with our beliefs and view of the world.

Then of course, in the US air raids people they knew, their friends in some cases, died. That re-inforced the 'evil' view of America, from their place in the world the US State supports those that ised them and is ising them (by making them fear for their lives and taking those of people they knew) in their new home.

For them, their only experiences of the US and it's allies have brought them and destruction. Their only experiences of the 'terrorist' countries, is one of salvation.

There's not a lot you can do, to convince people that have lived that life, that good and bad are the other way around. As we have seen in the west, many want retribution for . Many from this sort of background feel the same, but their view - because of their lifes path are very different.
 
jwenting
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RE: How People Become

Thu Sep 20, 2001 11:39 pm

Israel never expanded. Since their creation they've only lost land...
Your post is obvious PLO/anti-semitic propaganda.
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LY744
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RE: How People Become

Fri Sep 21, 2001 4:33 am

Sorry, Jwenting, but I have to correct you. In the war of 1967 ( "6 day war" ) Israel doubled its area by taking over the West Bank, Gaza and Sinai, and the Golan Heights. The Sinai peninsula was returned to Egypt in the early 80's as part of the Israeli-Egyptian peace deal. We all know whats going on with the West Bank and Gaza.

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RE: How People Become

Fri Sep 21, 2001 5:45 am

Jwenting,

When you are spreading pro Israeli stuff you might want to consider the facts .. easily found by using www.google.com as a search tool.





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ryanair
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RE: How People Become

Fri Sep 21, 2001 9:29 pm

The point of the post is not anything to do with the rights and wrongs of the whole Arab-Israeli conflict and associated issues, but I do wonder while the mutual and I stress that point, mutual desire for retribution for 'perceived' (I don't want to get into if those 'perceived wrongs are indeed reasonable, whatever your views on them) wrongs exists, how effective can the unfortunately titles 'war on terrorism' really be?
 
jwenting
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RE: How People Become

Fri Sep 21, 2001 9:32 pm

LY, you of all people should know the West Bank was assigned to Israel by the UN in 1948, only to be taken by Jordan that same year in a war of conquest.
The Sinai I had forgotten about, but that has been returned.
Gaza and the Golan are disputable.
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Klaus
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RE: How People Become

Sat Sep 22, 2001 3:12 am

Ahem. You´re all missing the topic, here.

It´s about the life experience of those people.

And I think the point should be that western policy should focus a little more on the actual people affected by global politics, not just playing power games.

I think the EU strategy isn´t too bad here:
- Maintaining a positive relationship with both sides and promoting the peace process.
- While doing business with Israel, supporting the palestinian territories in their efforts to build a civilian infrastructure.

It´s not an easy way, but where´s the constructive alternative?

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