Matt D
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The Draft: Your Thoughts

Fri Sep 21, 2001 9:15 pm

We haven't had the Draft here in the US since the early 70's, when Viet Nam was tapering off. There has been some talk passed around contemplating the possibility of reinstating the draft should this turn into a lengthy battle, and that there is a shortage of volunteers (through attrition, death, or otherwise). As per US law, all males must, within 30 days of their 18th birthday, register with the Selective Service.

So what are your thoughts on the draft? Should we even have one? Why do you feel the way you do? What would you if you were called for duty?

Would you serve, or would you flee the country or go into hiding?
 
L-188
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RE: The Draft: Your Thoughts

Fri Sep 21, 2001 9:23 pm

I have allready served my country.....

But they do need to make selective service registration co-ed.
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RE: The Draft: Your Thoughts

Fri Sep 21, 2001 9:34 pm

I´ve also served the army for 9 months but here in our country every male citicen had/has to serve somehow the army or a much longer time in a special civil/social service. With the duty to get hold by them until the age of i think 55 in case of crisis - not sure on the age anymore.

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RE: The Draft: Your Thoughts

Fri Sep 21, 2001 10:06 pm

I think my "Dear Mr. President," thread sums up how I feel about the draft pretty well: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/104337/6/
 
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RE: The Draft: Your Thoughts

Fri Sep 21, 2001 10:13 pm

I would serve, but I am too old (41). But many of the A.net family (average age must be around twenty) could well be carrying a rifle in the years to come. It is perfectly reasonable to be afraid. Only a fool would not fear what may be to come. The solution? Pray, pray, pray.
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RE: The Draft: Your Thoughts

Fri Sep 21, 2001 10:20 pm

Why bring religion into this? Just saying "God will make all right" will not miraculously bring about peace you know (and neither will draftdodging).
Sometimes the sword is mightier than the pen, and I fear this is one of those times. Better to strike with enough force now to eridicate the enemies of freedom than to gloss over what happened only to have them come back and do worse in a few months or years (like has happened too often in the past).
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RE: The Draft: Your Thoughts

Fri Sep 21, 2001 10:23 pm

L-188:

I agree. the Draft SHOULD be Coed. You can start a whole new topic on this point: Isn't it interesting to note that Feminists and the ACLU, in their neverending "struggle for equality" have quietly ignored the Draft, which by its very nature is discriminatory and sexist? Why haven't they clamored for "equal rights" there as well? Because as I've stated before, they want equal rights, equal compensation, and equal power, but not equal responsibility.

747-600X:

I read your post, and I must, respectfully have to disagree with you. With all due respect, you are one of those spoiled rotten kids that hasn't seen a war or known adversity a day in his life. Everything you have has been handed to you on a silver platter. You were spoon fed from birth (shame on your parents for that). The concept of people dying for the sake of others so that we all can be be safe is an alien, and frankly, selfish attitude to take. So you take all of our liberties and privilidges for granted. You expect all the niceties that we have, yet are not willing to do anything to preserve them. To you it's only worth fighting for if someone else is doing the fighting.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

This is why I hope this DOES escalate to a full blown war. Not because I want to see carnage or innocent people blown to bits, but so that todays self indulgent, indifferent, and desensitized aged 18-25 generation will get that proverbial cold, hard slap in the face. This generation has known nothing but free rides, special effects, and e-this, or virtual that. They need a good crash course in reality.

If not, then I can only imagine what the future holds.

And it isn't a pretty picture.

What would I do if I got called? I don't mind saying that I would be scared shitless. But I would serve. And I would serve proud. And I would do my best to be my best.
 
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RE: The Draft: Your Thoughts

Fri Sep 21, 2001 11:21 pm

Although I disagree with 747-600X he does have a point. I know people who just couldn't shoot another person.

Just because he won't kill for his counrty dosen't mean he has nothing to offer it. There are many ways he can make this country stronger even if he dosen't shoot a gun.

>>but so that todays self indulgent, indifferent, and desensitized aged 18-25 generation will get that proverbial cold, hard slap in the face.<<

A military draft will just speed up the growing up process. Face it many young people are selfish, etc., it's not until you grow up do you see the world through different eyes. Weren't you selfish at 16, or 18?

>>This generation has known nothing but free rides, special effects, and e-this, or virtual that.<<

How do you know that Matt_D? It seems to me that the divorce rate is higher today, more kids living in single parent homes, etc..

I know there are some kids out there who think having to choose between a Nokia and a Cingular cell phone is torture. There are also other kids out there, who come from very low on the totem pole to make it in this country.

I'm sure there are kids growing up today in South Central LA, Harlem, etc., that will make great leaders in our country tommorow.

Ask Colin Powell or Bill Clinton and see what they have to say about "the easy life".
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RE: The Draft: Your Thoughts

Fri Sep 21, 2001 11:40 pm

Ok....I'll run with you on this one for a moment. Let's suppose that he doesn't want to shoot a gun. Fine. In military combat, what other services would he be capable-or better yet-willing to provide? I suppose there are any number of potential services (i.e. medical care, pilot, mechanic, communications, etc.) that could be done in lieu of actual combat. But do you think that he would be ready and trained to provide any of those services on such short notice?

As hard as this may be for you to believe, when I was 16 and 18, I was NOT selfish. I'm sure I was a lot more idealistic and naiive than I am today, but not selfish. This is because I was an only child. My parents divorced when I was three years old. i don't even have any meaningful recollection of the time they were together. So consequently, I missed out on a lot of things growing up, which, incidently, by force of circumstance, I had to very quickly. So everything I have, I had to work for.

I don't have the actual statistics in front of me, but from what I recall, divorce rates have been holding steadily high ever since the late '60's and early 70's (it is interesting to note parenthetcially that divorce and "single parent households" soared in numbers at the same time the "equal rights" and "sexual revolution" occured)-so this is nothing new.

As for there being another Colin Powell, Picasso, or Martin Luther King buried somewhere in Harlem or South central, well that is tough to quantify. I suppose the potential is certainly there (just as it could be in San Clemente or Beverly Hills), but until that person or persons emerge, you can't automatically make those assumptions.

>>This generation has known nothing but free rides, special effects, and e-this, or virtual that.<<

>>How do you know that Matt_D?<<

Easy. Open your eyes and take a good long look around you. If you are anything but blind or in denial, it's about as obvious as an elephant sitting in your living room.


 
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RE: The Draft: Your Thoughts

Sat Sep 22, 2001 12:50 am

I forget, what are the draft ages? 18-27?
 
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RE: The Draft: Your Thoughts

Sat Sep 22, 2001 1:27 am

I don't think any free society should force it's citizens to fight for a cause they don't believe in. It should be voluntary only.
Personally, I would join the Air-Force. That's only because I have a love for aviation. As for the ACLU, I think they would just rather have the draft eliminated.
Reading the post here in the Non-Aviation forums, it seems that there are plenty willing to serve anyway. Why waste time and resources forcing those who don't want to serve?
The focus should be winning the war!
With all of our tax dollars going into military, we should be able to win a war without a draft.
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RE: The Draft: Your Thoughts

Sat Sep 22, 2001 2:07 am

I wasn't thinking of him helping in the military. He can help out here in a non-military way. He can help build airports (what he said he wants to do) and help our nation. Isn't that what its all about? Helping your nation in its time of need?

Would you say an elderly man wasn't helping our nation if he wasn't at war?



">>This generation has known nothing but free rides, special effects, and e-this, or virtual that.<<

>>How do you know that Matt_D?<<

Easy. Open your eyes and take a good long look around you. If you are anything but blind or in denial, it's about as obvious as an elephant sitting in your living room."

Sure there are some people where this is true, there always has and always will be even with a draft. Some kid's dad might give him a London flat so he dosen't have to get drafted.

To them I say who cares.

But to the others who serve their country IN ANY WAY, that's a true patriot.




>>As for there being another Colin Powell, Picasso, or Martin Luther King buried somewhere in Harlem or South central, well that is tough to quantify. I suppose the potential is certainly there (just as it could be in San Clemente or Beverly Hills), but until that person or persons emerge, you can't automatically make those assumptions.<<

They're being born every day. They also have to put up with a lot more than you or I have to put up with. I was reading about this girl who despite having a bad mother (I think?) and a dad who had aids, and was on welfare and dirt poor she earned a full scholarship to Harvard all by herself. She did this by doing her homework and studying in places you and I hope we never see.

How about that, there are those who still have it.

Somehow I think she is going to go very far in life with that hard work, desire, and determination, even if she dosen't have a cell phone!
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RE: The Draft: Your Thoughts

Sat Sep 22, 2001 2:08 am

All British youngsters should be forced to spend a couple of years in the military. There are a lot of good kids over here but there are also so many who would benefit (as would society) from National Service. It would teach them respect, discipline, honour, a good work ethic & comradeship. It would also stop the little shits whining about the most trivial of things...
 
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RE: The Draft: Your Thoughts

Sat Sep 22, 2001 2:34 am

PanAm747:
Those are some remarkable achievements that you pointed out. This is something that goes un-noticed in our society. That goes to show that there are good hard working people that comes from all walks of life.

I also think there are many ways of serving your country without pulling a trigger.
Serving humanity is a start.

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RE: The Draft: Your Thoughts

Sat Sep 22, 2001 2:39 am

I served in the Canadian Armed forces for 6 years as a Lieutenant in the Armored Corps. I was also the intellgience officer for our regiment. During Nov 77-May 78 I did a tour of duty as a UN peacekeeper in the Sinai and I also did several TD's with the Canadian NATO contingent defending Europe.

I think that at least 2 years of military service should be mandatory for everybody.

 
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RE: The Draft: Your Thoughts

Sat Sep 22, 2001 3:04 am

I won't serve and die for any country. If I would go to war - just for personal cause, not because someone up there decides to have a draft.

Also, one of the reasons I moved from Russia was because I'd have to serve in the army and go to Chechnya. And I'd make a good target too.

By the way, don't you think it's a bit unfair to the immigrants that they can't vote, but have to serve in case of draft?
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RE: The Draft: Your Thoughts

Sat Sep 22, 2001 3:36 am

>What would you if you were called for duty?

I'd be like, "Holy Shit!" "Fuckin' A!" and then I'd do whatever the draft notice said.

>Would you serve, or would you flee the country or go into hiding?

I'd pick up a rifle, drive a bus, or do whatever else I was called to do. Actually, if a draft were realistically near on the horizon, I'd enlist before I was drafted.

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P.S. If you follow this link: http://www4.sss.gov/regver/verify.asp (secure site) you can verify your registration by submitting your last name, social security number, and date of birth. Let's see, looks like I registered on 4/21/1998.

 
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RE: The Draft: Your Thoughts

Sat Sep 22, 2001 4:33 am

The draft ages are 18-45 (if nessessary), so being 41, you still could be drafted, highly unlikley though.
 
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RE: The Draft: Your Thoughts

Sun Sep 23, 2001 1:06 am

Draft beer...not people.

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