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Any One Wonder Why?

Fri Sep 21, 2001 10:01 pm

Why werent the second and third planes pursued after the first hit the WTC? why didnt the American intelligence have any clue as to what was going to happen? Its not easy for any one to take over four planes in American territory, wasnt anything leaked out by anyone to the intelligence agencies? how did clueless agencies suddenly find material relating to the incidents and that too conviniently from a car parked out side Logan airport complete with Arabic instructions on "How To Fly a Plane" ( sounds like a scene from those dumb spin off movies that mock the originals like "Space Balls" "Naked Gun" etc.) the fact that these terrorists worked so hard to conceal such a master plan, which took years in the making that even the agencies didnt get a whiff of till it was carried out would be dumb enough to leave such stupid material in a car outside the airport so that they can be traced just does not add up, any one in their normal senses would burn or bury the papers and take a cab or the subway to the airport. I think America knows something that the world just suspects, that people from inside the agencies amongst others were involved in this and now thyere in a state of flux because they dont know what to tell their citizens so they have come up with a scapegoat, the TWA 800 incident should make people think Smile
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RE: Any One Wonder Why?

Fri Sep 21, 2001 10:08 pm

It was a flight manual - as far as I am aware there isn't such a book as 'how to fly a plane' etc. They probably were doing last-minute checks.

Also, they killed themselves, so I don't think they were too worried about being traced. In any case, they were easily traced from the passenger manifest.

Also, why do you think the CIA doesn't have a hell of a lot more info than it is disclosing? Remember, USA, German, British and French Intelligence have all stated that these terrorists have links with Bin Laden.

Sometimes I find the Islamic world thinks there is this massive conspiracy against it - so they have to raise religious fervour to protect its interests. Calm down guys, we're not out to get you all!  Smile
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RE: Any One Wonder Why?

Fri Sep 21, 2001 10:26 pm

But Im sure theres something fishy some where, regardless of the Muslim part, regarding the TWA 800 incident there were more than 700 witnesses who saw and drew what appeared to be a missle strike the aircraft and all of them are being told they were wrong, point blank to their faces Smile
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RE: Any One Wonder Why?

Fri Sep 21, 2001 10:46 pm

Airmale, although we don't normally see eye to eye, I do most definitely agree with you on this one. When I heard about the car they found with the Quran, flight manaul in ARABIC and that picture of Osama, I knew immediately that had to be a joke. Which self-respecting terrorist would risk military strikes at his leader by leaving such incriminating evidence behind?

I mentioned this before, and I'll say it again. A day or two ago, there was an interview on CNN with Phillipine investigators. A few years ago, they arrested suspected terrorists in the Phillipines and found preliminary plans to attack the U.S. Those plans entailed highjacking 8 or 9 aircraft and crashing them into various towers around the U.S. They promptly contacted the FBI with their findings, but everyone agreed those plans sounded too ridiculous to be true. How were terrorists to manage highjacking 8 aircraft in U.S. airspace? They promptly shelved those findings.

In another interview, this time with a former U.S. intelligence officer, he blamed severe budget cuts for the lack of intelligence of this attack. He then went on about strict, useless laws the U.S. which prevents our intelligence from operating as efficiently as say, for example, the Russian or Israeli. For example, intelligence officers may not have criminal backgrounds (after which he replied, it takes a bad guy to find another bad guy), they don't have enough foreign nationals in intelligence, especially Arab nationals who speak Middle East languages (to date, hardly any intelligence officer speaks anything other than English) and the U.S. ban on assasinations.

I think the U.S. government is using Osama bin Laden as a scapegoat to cover their abismal failues at intelligence gathering. Even my poor old grandmother immediately blamed U.S. intelligence for not having advanced knowledge of this attack (I had no idea she knew about these things!), and for allowing 4 aircraft to infiltrate U.S. airspace with inpunity.

To date, the U.S. can provide no proof that Osama is behind anything. I believe the Taliban has a right to refuse Osama's extradition without hard proof, which they have demanded and which the U.S. refuses to share. It's unrealistic to ask any country to extradite one of its residents for prosecution without providing convincing evidence of their guilt. This is the way it works all over the world, you go to court and convince a country's judge of their citizen's guilt, and if they're convinced, he gets extradited.

Watching the events unfold on TV, I'm absolutely shocked at the high level of propaganda coming from U.S. sources. I think the government's taking advantage of American's need right now to believe anything, steadily feeding them with the most biased information I've ever heard. It's truly disgusting.

I'm not absolving Osama, but I also think you can't go around trying to hide your failures (and possible involvement) by making a scapegoat out of Osama for everything. I've also read reports from British and German intelligence that warn against blaming Osama for this attack, as they're dozens of other terrorist organizations around the world just as fanatical as he is. Sure, you can probably link them all to Osama, but that doesn't mean he authored this attack. As a matter of fact, you can link just about anyone to anyone else in this world. That proves nothing.
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RE: Any One Wonder Why?

Fri Sep 21, 2001 11:21 pm

Air Force fighters were 8 minutes out when UA 175 hit the WTC, and 12 minutes out when AA 77 hit the pentagon. How far they were from UA 93 is not being released yet.
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