airbus380
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Why Are We Waiting Around?

Fri Sep 21, 2001 10:33 pm

We have given Afghanistan ample time to prepare for a strike of some sort. I know that this takes a lot fo logistics to plan. But, why hasn't Bush taken any type of military offensive action yet? Attack them now!

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RE: Why Are We Waiting Around?

Fri Sep 21, 2001 10:34 pm

Relax......

There are "playing poker" right now. With any luck we can bluff and there will not be any military action.
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RE: Why Are We Waiting Around?

Fri Sep 21, 2001 10:40 pm

I pray to God there isnt any action, I pray God intervenes we have forgotten its HIS world and were HIS creation not of our own making, its easy for you to sit there miles away across the ocean, ever occurr what people are going through here, the anxiety, the uncertainity, the fear Angry
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Matt D
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RE: Why Are We Waiting Around?

Fri Sep 21, 2001 10:43 pm

I agree with L-188. It's like a huge game of poker, or chicken. We're hoping that we don't have to go to war. But we are getting ready should we have to.

I commend President Bush for being judicious and patient with this, and not rushing into anything until he has "all his ducks in a row".

This guy is a lot smarter than many of you will ever give him credit for.
 
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RE: Why Are We Waiting Around?

Fri Sep 21, 2001 10:44 pm

Plus, the Air Force needs time to transport ordinance to the forward bases.
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RE: Why Are We Waiting Around?

Fri Sep 21, 2001 10:49 pm

Airmale, was your country attacked? I KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. This is taking place in my country. Do you not think the American people have "anxiety, uncertainty, and fear?"
 
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RE: Why Are We Waiting Around?

Fri Sep 21, 2001 10:53 pm

Airmale, where was God on the morning of September 11th 2001?
 
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RE: Why Are We Waiting Around?

Fri Sep 21, 2001 11:54 pm

With all due respect to you trigger-happy cowboys, but what exactly would you be attacking?
-Would you just bomb a few big cities, and kill thousands of innocent Afghans, just because someone (no proof whatsoever it was the Afghans) killed thousands of your innocent people (may they rest in peace)? That's revenge, not justice. And I thought the US considered themselves too civilized for blunt revenge.
-Would you be sending in ground troops to find Bin Laden? Let me tell you what'll happen then: they'll kill thousands of people, and many Americans will be killed as well. And guess what: they WON'T find Bin Laden. Why? Because accoring to various independent sources he's no longer in Afghanistan!
-Or would you just attack them to satisfy the media and public opinion, who want to see blood, and who want to see it asap?

In any case, justice will not be done.
 
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RE: Why Are We Waiting Around?

Fri Sep 21, 2001 11:58 pm

Then what do you suggest we do?

Just write those planes, those buildings, and those people off and say "oh well". Looks like they got us".

...and send over some Diplomats who will accomplish nothing but soak up taxpayer dollars, right?
 
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RE: Why Are We Waiting Around?

Sat Sep 22, 2001 12:04 am

"Then what do you suggest we do? "

Simple: think before you act. Don't just rush in untill you know exactly what you're there for. And right now you don't. Only fools rush in...

You should indeed not sit around and say 'oh well', but find the people who did this, and bring them to justice. And right now, it is not known who did this, all you have is a suspect. To bring someone, or even an organisation, to justice, you don't need to bomb a complete country into oblivion!
 
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RE: Why Are We Waiting Around?

Sat Sep 22, 2001 12:09 am

What do you think we're doing? If we acted purely on impulse, which seems to be the veiled message here, the bombs would've already been dropped. It would be a done deal.

But that hasn't happened. That's why I give Bush and his staff so much credit because they ARE thinking and weighing their options before they make a preemptive strike. Just because the military is being called up is not necessarily tantamount to imminent war.

a lot can and still will happen before the first counterstrike guns are fired or the first bombers dispatched.
 
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RE: Why Are We Waiting Around?

Sat Sep 22, 2001 12:09 am

Juul, I fully understand and agree with your point - however we as the general public do not know what the CIA and British Intelligence forces (amongst others) know about this. You can be sure they know a hell of a lot more about who did this than we do.

Also, the Taleban isn't exactly helping itself by not releasing Bin Laden (plus I honestly think the world needs to get rid of the Taleban whether or not Bin Laden is responsible.
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RE: Why Are We Waiting Around?

Sat Sep 22, 2001 12:13 am

I was mainly referring to the main question that started this thread: Why are we waiting around? That clearly seems to indicate some people do want to rush in and see some blood, any blood.

It seems the US is currently indeed thinking before acting, and that's good. I can can only hope they won't give in to pressure from the public opinion, who want to see something attacked soon.
 
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RE: Why Are We Waiting Around?

Sat Sep 22, 2001 12:14 am

As Stonewall Jackson replied to General Lee when asked about combat strategy against the Union army:

"Kill them. Kill them all."
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RE: Why Are We Waiting Around?

Sat Sep 22, 2001 12:17 am

Thank you for your intelligent and well thought-out response, Stretch 8.
 
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RE: Why Are We Waiting Around?

Sat Sep 22, 2001 1:02 am

I agree with Juul that our response must be utterly thought through and calculated. To throw 100,000 American troops into Afghanistan or see what kind of craters we can make with our biggest bombs would be idiotic.

BUT...

I'll make, Juul, an uneasy prediction that when we finally DO come up with that calculated response, it will STILL be too violent, or too low brow or too vengeful for modern European tastes (and even for the 'doves' in this country, as grevious an injury as we have suffered).

As shocking and revolting as the images of 9/11 were, I worry that they will be forgotten in the name of 'over-engineered reason' by rationalists who have yet to realize how different the world became on that day.

Someone should be duping millions of videocassettes of burning bodies falling a hundred stories to remind the inevitable fence sitters just exactly why we're doing what we're doing.
 
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RE: Why Are We Waiting Around?

Sat Sep 22, 2001 1:08 am

The US has lost any element of surprise. The Afghani's have had too much time to prepare for a strike. If a strike was to be successful, I think that it needed to take place earlier in this conflict.
 
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RE: Why Are We Waiting Around?

Sat Sep 22, 2001 1:20 am

Juul, that was Jackson's statement to Lee, not mine to Bush.
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RE: Why Are We Waiting Around?

Sat Sep 22, 2001 2:00 am

I agree with Heavymetal's last point. I worry about the same thing.

"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
 
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RE: Why Are We Waiting Around?

Sat Sep 22, 2001 2:15 am

I wonder how the Afghans will prepare for a strike. The equipment of the forces is a relict of the war in 1979.
It doesn't matter when the US strike will begin.
The Taliban fighters are willing to die for the Islam no matter if today or next month.
It is right by the US to plan every little step before starting a strike against terror.
There are so many radical muslims all over the world, it is more dangerous to start a immediate strike instead of wait and investigate first.
The strike will come but at least AFTER all diplomatic issues.

You have to imagine how the reaction by the radical Islams will be after a strike, there could be so many suicide attacks all over the world. So the western world must be prepared to every kind of aggressions commited by the radical muslims.

There is one big advantage with the muslims, they are not afraid of the death. I see some very hard times come to all of us, and mr Bush sees this too. That is the reason why he uses so much patience.
 
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RE: Why Are We Waiting Around?

Sat Sep 22, 2001 2:24 am

Stretch 8,

That might very well be so, but you obviously agree with it, hence my response remains the same.
 
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The Current Tactic Is A Good One

Sat Sep 22, 2001 2:30 am

Let's harken back to the Gulf War.

When Saddam was stupid enough to roll into Kuwait, he probably knew in the back of his mind that he was playing a big game of chicken. What stopped him from rolling into Saudi...I don't know, but he could easily have done so with little resistance.

So, America....the world's apologist... had to roll in. To help the Saudis do what they asked us to do: protect them.

Desert Shield was a long and carefully staged build up. We wanted the Iraqis to know we were on their border and that of Kuwait. We rattled our sword...they rattled rhetoric back. The Iraqis didn't know what to expect. They were complacent in the fact that they had a very powerful armored force. They had an "elite" republican guard. They spent several months digging in and fortifying bunkers. Saddam rallied his citizens. We drew a line in the sand and came up with a date. Saddam shrugged it off and rallied his citizens. After all, they had lived through years of a brutal, World War I style war in the trenches with Iran and made it through.

On the night Desert Storm began, the USA and its allies unleashed a hailstorm of armament from the air--the likes of which Saddam never could imagine.

30 days and nights of all out boming. It became psychological operations. The Iraqis were scared shitless of our airpower. As they sat, safe in their bunkers...they wondered if and when the next 400lb bomb may just penetrate their wall. They lived in their own piss and shit...among rats and centipedes. Some days, American airpower would instead drop leaflets and let the Iraqis know just what is coming next. One day, leaflets were dropped on a bunker unit near the border. The leaflets said that a very large weapon would be dropped the next day and that they should leave. The next day, instead of F-16s, A6s, or A-10s, a C-130 appeared low in the skies. It did a lazy, wide circle over the bunker compound. Some Iraqis came out to watch as the rear ramp of the aircraft came down. Their last moments must have been utter surprise as the pallet containing a daisy cutter blew their world to shit. Every time after that, our leaflets were honored.

When our ground forces rolled in, it was all over but the crying.

Here's the deal. Desert Storm/Desert Shield was long and carefully thought out...just the way this next one will be. We'll attack when we're good and ready. The results will be beyond devastating. Expect some pretty heady psychological ops to take place.


Taking this a step forward...I think it would be great if Bin Laden holed up in a cave in the mountains. We'll bomb it every day while he lives in his own piss and shit like the Iraqis did in their pathetic bunkers. We'll drop leaflets on his compadres and follow through with the threat. A crater will replace his training camp of jungle jims and monkey bars.

They have no idea what they are going to deal with.
 
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RE: Why Are We Waiting Around?

Sat Sep 22, 2001 2:40 am

Juul, I wouldn't worry. It appears the government/military doesn't care about public opinion. They will do what needs to be done the right way and not the popular way. It would've been real easy for Bush to call an airstrike for the sake of polls and public opinion. The fact that he didn't tells me he is doing the right thing.
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RE: Why Are We Waiting Around?

Sat Sep 22, 2001 2:48 am

Juul, I agree with Jetservice and TT737FO, not Stonewall. Do you teach American history at your highschool? By the way, where does Belgium stand in all of this? Willing to let Americans die to protect you way of life, eh?
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RE: Why Are We Waiting Around?

Sat Sep 22, 2001 3:00 am

Stretch 8,

To answer your questions: American history is not a specific subject here in Belgium, but yes, I do teach history (as well as English and Dutch) at my high school.

As for Belgium's position: We are a member of NATO, and have so far supported the US on this matter.

This is not a matter of being 'willing to let Americans die to protect our way of life'. I'm just not at all convinced that this is the best way to protect 'our way of life'.

BTW, where on earth did you get the assumption that I was willing to let Americans die to protect our way of life?
 
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RE: Why Are We Waiting Around?

Sat Sep 22, 2001 3:08 am

Please excuse the nasty remark. I respect all teachers. And I have enjoyed my visits to your country.
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RE: Why Are We Waiting Around?

Sat Sep 22, 2001 3:18 am

No hard feelings  Big grin
 
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RE: Why Are We Waiting Around?

Sat Sep 22, 2001 7:37 am

Well

"Afghanastan should have buckled up before they hit the dash",And should I say that there is no airbags.All I can say is that all the countrys that suport terrorism,your fate is in your hands.

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