Matt D
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They Just Don't Make Em Like They Used To

Thu Oct 04, 2001 5:04 am

In this case, I am referring to movies. For those of you who are under 25, you probably won't be able to relate, but for those of us that grew up in the 80's will.

Take movies like "Ferris Buellers Day Off", "Caddyshack", "Revenge Of The Nerds", "Planes, Trains, and Automobiles", "Licensed To Drive", and so on and so on.

Those movies were not only good, but they were FUN. They were creative and yet were still very believeable. You could sit back, and almost feel like you are there with the characters.

Now take relatively recent movies such as "Clueless", "American Pie", "Road Trip", and so on.

They were idiotic, lame, and just plain stupid.

They were a half baked attemt at trying to have 80's types of movies, with a 90's flavor. But they were just so bad. Not only were the story lines disjointed and difficult to believe, they were just plain dim witted and brainless.


Why?


It seems that nearly every movie from the 10 years or so had to rely on special effects, or how risque the story line was to sell itself. No movie today would make it purely on content. And yet in the first group of movies I mentioned, the use of special effects and sex was minimal; the amount in each entire movie could be found just in a trailer today!


Why?
 
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RE: They Just Don't Make Em Like They Used To

Thu Oct 04, 2001 5:37 am

You are correct!
Every movie I've seen at the theater over the past years I was dragged to kicking and screaming! There is no creativity by the big-box corporate entertainment industry.
Everything is regurgitated, rehashed plots over the past 80 years. Now they use special effects to razzle & dazzle us for 3 hours. All it does is test our bladders at the movie theater.
I feel asleep when I saw Independence Day and Armageddon.

I like cheap low budget films.
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RE: They Just Don't Make Em Like They Used To

Thu Oct 04, 2001 5:48 am

Superfly, how 'bout these '70s flicks.  Big thumbs up







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RE: They Just Don't Make Em Like They Used To

Thu Oct 04, 2001 5:51 am

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RE: They Just Don't Make Em Like They Used To

Thu Oct 04, 2001 5:56 am

Now that's entertainment!  Big thumbs up
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RE: They Just Don't Make Em Like They Used To

Thu Oct 04, 2001 6:00 am

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RE: They Just Don't Make Em Like They Used To

Thu Oct 04, 2001 6:01 am

"Planes, Trains, and Automobiles" is one of my favorite all time movies. I watch the video, or now I have the DVD, around Thanksgiving every year. I try to watch it only once a year so I forget some small details and that makes it better to watch.

"Ferris Buellers Day Off" & "Caddyshack" you mentioned are also really good and I actually have both DVD's.

I agree that movies have not been up to par lately, except for one pair. I really liked both American Pie movies. Maybe it is because I am young, 19, and I like that kind of sick, lowbrow sexual humor. But both were excellent from a comedy standpoint in my opinion and were fun.

Anyway, good point and I agree with the exception of the American Pie series. Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: They Just Don't Make Em Like They Used To

Thu Oct 04, 2001 6:10 am

While I agree on Ferris Bueller, I found Caddyshack utterly annoying (especially the sequels) - the only goos thing was the gopher. If you like that kind of golf movies, you probably loved Happy Gilmore.

Revengre of the Nerds? I think I've seen that. Didn't they have stupid triathlon at the end, with ultra-flexible jumping sticks or something?

Those college / teen comedies aren't better than American Pie (which was stupid) or Road Trip (which managed the sad feat of being even more stupid).

To be honest, of all the movies I have seen in the past two or three years, I can count the good ones on the fingers of one hand:
The Matrix
Three Kings
Dogma
Crouching Tiger (overrated, but still good)
Something About Mary (the best of the disgusting comedies)

Honorable Mention should go to
Run Lola Run (in German it's great. Too bad the English are crap at captioning)
X-Men (visually stunning, but not quite as good as it could have been)
Shrek (great start, lame finish)
Moulin Rouge (incredibly fast paced first 20 minutes, visual treat - but followed by a lame everlasting ending of people singing the three words "come what may" for half an hour or more)
Sleepy Hollow (again a visually stunning movie with crap acting by Christina Ricci)

Can't wait to see Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, though

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RE: They Just Don't Make Em Like They Used To

Thu Oct 04, 2001 6:23 am

Matt_D

This topic is opinion based. The movies you listed ("Clueless", "American Pie", "Road Trip") are set for teenagers and not the 26-35, you claim your in.

I would suggest some other movie where you find other people that wear their socks, high and boots with shorts.... Big grin



 
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RE: They Just Don't Make Em Like They Used To

Thu Oct 04, 2001 6:28 am

Superfly, since you dig low budget, what do you think of the Kevin Smith flicks?
Clerks, Mallrats, Chasing Amy, Dogma, and Jay and Bob Strikes Back? I don't like them all but a few were great.

Ikarus, I agree with you on all ends, but you missed Shawshank Redemption. A great movie on a different level.

As for your honorable mentions, 100% true! They could have been so much better!

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RE: They Just Don't Make Em Like They Used To

Thu Oct 04, 2001 6:46 am

hollywood grabs a trend and beats it death! been doing it since the silent days.
 
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RE: They Just Don't Make Em Like They Used To

Thu Oct 04, 2001 1:57 pm

Since the 80s, corporate America has held too great a lock on the media. And, until we see some strong, unified grassroots efforts in this country, I don't think we're going to see much in the way of cultural development (be it in the form of music or cinema, TV, fashion etc...) Big industry doesn't want to speculate as to what people will or will not like, and thus recycles the same stuff over and over, each time marketed in a slightly different manner.

Perhaps the only redeeming aspect of the current media culture is that is has served to increase the longevity of stars, allowing us to see familiar faces evolve/expand over time.

I should say that there have been some really powerful films with "serious" subject matter in recent years (mostly foreing/low-budget films, but even a few from Hollywood), and there's no doubt that films have become more visually impressive over the years.

However, I totally agree that Hollywood has really lost the magic when it comes to comedies. Everything I have seen in recent years has come across as being "forced." There are usually a few good jokes in each film, but these are dilluted by too much vulgar or cliched humor. It seems like the films try and do too much...throwing in too many elements and therefore wasting opportunities to build on/carry through earlier themes.

If a really good comedy comes along, I'll know to rent it when it comes out on video. Otherwise, I won't even go and see a comedy in a theatre these days (well, unless I have a date  Big grin ).

The best films/music etc... come out of times of social unrest, and that's one reason why I feel the 90s was on the whole a very lackluster decade in terms of pop culture. There were certainly a lot of people with things to say, but there weren't many unified movements. The corporate media dominance often silenced those with new ideas, or forced them to resort to compromised/distorted means of conveying their message.
 
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RE: They Just Don't Make Em Like They Used To

Thu Oct 04, 2001 5:05 pm

Well, how about good movies -

American History X
Apt Pupil
American Pie 1 and 2 (I liked them both)

But a lot of crap came out too, like Random Hearts, Mod Squad, Eyes Wide Shut and last but not least - TITANIC!

Btw, I would hate to see Hollywood come out with a titanic-like movie about WTC tragedy...
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RE: They Just Don't Make Em Like They Used To

Thu Oct 04, 2001 5:22 pm

Leon was the last truly awesome film I saw.
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RE: They Just Don't Make Em Like They Used To

Fri Oct 05, 2001 7:13 pm

I wish that they made the old classic war movies like they used to.....

You know, The Dirty Dozen, The Guns of Navarrone, The Green Berets, The Bridge on the River Kwai, Patton, The Longest Day, Anzio ect ect ect.

Most of the recent war movies such as Saving Pvt. Ryan, Enemy at the Gates or A Thin Red Line, lost part of themselves trying to put the peoples emotions into the film or trying to squeeze a love story into it. Red Line especially.
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RE: They Just Don't Make Em Like They Used To

Fri Oct 05, 2001 8:04 pm

L-188: So you prefer propaganda drivel to movies that are vaguely realistic or emotional? Mmmmh. I wish they'd never make those propaganda movies again, to be honest.

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RE: They Just Don't Make Em Like They Used To

Fri Oct 05, 2001 8:45 pm

The problem with you United Staters, is that you ignore movies that are not made in the US.
Just a famous example: the great "Nikita" was remade in the US under another name ("Nina" I think). And it's the same for many very good European movies.

Why ? Very simple. You're waiting for a certain type of humour, for an "American" format.
So, don't say that movies are stupid and not funny. The movies you have access to are.
 
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RE: They Just Don't Make Em Like They Used To

Sat Oct 06, 2001 4:25 am

Don't forget about Midnight Run, Used Cars, The Man With One Red Shoe, Spies Like Us, Stripes, Up The Creek, Real Genius.....  Big thumbs up
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RE: They Just Don't Make Em Like They Used To

Sat Oct 06, 2001 9:31 am

Dude, no offense, but you're old.

I totally agree with you but, you cannot expect to get a proper comparison of two different generations in terms of the entertainment we see/hear. This is a similar arguement to another thread we had here a while back; "is rock music dead,"

Certain movies are aimed at different generations for the most ROI, if you think a particular movie sucks then all it means is that it wasn't aimed for you. Oddly enough my mother loves "Clueless", she was born in India in 1951.

Those early 80's movies though were good, I saw Ferris Beuler(sp?) 5 times and LMAO - every generation acts like this. It just happens that most older movies have the bare essense of the story so the plot comes more alive.

Keep in mind, you guys did not have the Worldwide Web growing up, so you basically had to focus on your movies/shows to really like them as they were your outlet. Some worry about those born in the last decade, we will dislike some movies by 2010, just as you dislike ours.

Hence, justification



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RE: They Just Don't Make Em Like They Used To

Sat Oct 06, 2001 9:36 am

MattD, I am surprised that you have not responded to what we are saying, expically, what I have said.

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