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Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Thu Oct 04, 2001 2:29 pm

I've heard of reports of some arabs getting kicked off of flights by the pilots in the United States, simply for being arab. Does anyone have any comments about this? I personally think its really racist and unfair, and if i ever saw that happen on my flight, i would punch the pilot in the face, even though it would mean that i'd get kicked off too.
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Thu Oct 04, 2001 2:58 pm

It is extremely unfair and I think the reports you are hearing are exagerated somewhat.

However, human nature being what it is, I have to say I would not look favourably at an Arabic person (with steretype long beard) sitting next to me on an Aircraft. I am not racist, but given the past events a little tic in my mind would go off. It's irrational and I would chide myself for thinking such things, but fear is fear.

Hopefully once this is all sorted out and the bastions of terrorism are vanquished we may all sit back and get back to normal as possible.

Cheers,

mb
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 5:11 am

Well this is something that has been very disturbing to me. Its sad that people are losing their rights just because a few crazed terrorists decided to crash 4 planes in the US. Granted security needs to be higher, but we shouldnt forget our rights in the process.
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 5:28 am

I think it's justified.
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 5:51 am

Why?
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 6:43 am

Muslims believe, by their "bible", that Allah is their only god, and any others who do not believe in Allah are to be punished by death. Ofcourse, you're just a typical American/Canadian figure. You think that unless it involves America or Canada, then it doesn't matter. What about the last year when my countrymen, and believe or not, one of my friends that was killed in a bomb blast by some Muslim palestinian who thought that because Jews dont believe in Allah that they are bad. What about the 20 teenagers killed on the Tel Aviv beach? What about the families of 6 that were killed while eating Pizza in Jerusalem? And even today, what about those 3 people killed in Afula, Israel when a Palestinian started firing freely near the central bus station.
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 6:47 am

Well what about the christians that go around bombing abortion clinics? or the extremist christian groups that are in america? Shut the hell up! Chritians would be extremists too if they followed the bible literally as the Muslim terrorists followed the Qu'ran (sp) literally. Every religion has its own extremists, but terrorists can be anybody, and everybody should be treated the same way. That way if a pilot was scared of flying then he could BOOT EVERYONE OFF THE PLANE!
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 6:51 am

LY772,

Get your information right, It's sickening to see that you are spitting out so much misinformation without even bothering looking at facts.

that Allah is their only god, and any others who do not believe in Allah are to be punished by death This is the kind of crap I am talking about.

Get your head out of the sand and educate yourself moron.

Nicolas
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 6:52 am

What was the last terrorist attack by an Israeli?

What was the last terrorist attack by an Arab?

Think about that one.
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 6:58 am

Bombstar

I would much rather be safe on a flight and if they look suspicious, I am glad they are being kicked off, no need to risk so many lives.

Shut the hell up

This is an opinion post, don't NOT tell people to shut up, pot head. Big grin


 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 6:59 am

Ly772,
You have a lot of crap in your head. Most muslims are all really nice people, just a few crazed extremists that make them look bad. How would you like it if you were arab, and everyone suspected you were a terrorist wherever you go?
Think about that one.

Ignorance is the root of all hatred in the world.
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 7:01 am

Flight152,

Sorry, this topic has made me very angry. But I would object to anyone being kicked off just because of their race, they are humans too, and have the right to travel to where they want to, and they've already gone through all security checks that everyone goes through, so whats the deal?
 
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Flight152

Fri Oct 05, 2001 7:05 am

This is an opinion post, don't NOT tell people to shut up, pot head.

LOL! hehe, read your sentance again, it makes no sense.
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 7:06 am

Think about all the lives that would have been saved if those 20 people had been booted off the plane.

LY772,
The Qu'ran does not say such things, but it says other almost equally "satanic verses"

best regards,
TWA
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 7:07 am

LY772,

You're idiotic generalization of millions of peoples just by the actions of a few is stupidly blind. It's people like you who make the world the sad place it is today, your obvious lack of general knowledge is showing.

One last thing, what are you talking about? Arabs or Muslims? Because in your 2 last post you generalize both, I'm sure you didn't know that some Arabs are also Christians?

The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance -- it is the illusion of knowledge.
Daniel J Boorstin

Nicolas
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 7:09 am

Hey LY772,

What about the Jews, does they all have big noses and is money their only interest? Also does they all work in the leather industry?

Haha ......moron.

Nicolas
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 7:09 am

It should have read as followed:

This is an opinion post, do NOT tell people to shut up, pot head. Big grin




 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 7:12 am

Twamerican,

How was anyone to know? Logan Airport has had security problems for a while, as well knives like those were allowed on planes. They didnt do anything illegal until they commendeered the aircraft. Im not saying i support terrorists, im saying you cannot boot someone off their flight just because you have suspecions. Hopefully aircraft safety will be improved in the time to come (looks like i wont ever get to see the cockpit again =( ), and the pilots should be equipped with tranquliser darts.
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 7:27 am

Well I think that next to the word Overeacting in the dictonary there should be your name.

Anyways I suggest you read my post again and try to find the sarcasm.

nicolas
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 7:28 am

LY772: Are you really so dumb as to believe that the Qur'an says that muslims are to kill anyone who is not muslim? Muslims aren't violent people, however, a small percentage of "extremists" may be, it doesnt mean that that's what islam teaches. It's common sense. How about jews LY772? Are you guys all peaceful people? Of course not, many jews are very violent, just as their are many violent christians, and violent muslims, does judaism teach violence? I wouldn't think so. look what is happening in the middle east. Get your facts straight before you blab about what you don't know a bit about.

"What was the last terrorist attack by an Israeli?

What was the last terrorist attack by an Arab?

Think about that one."


-Who knows, no one really knows for sure, it's all based on anger at this point. How about the oppressed palestinians in the middle east. You think that is fair? How about events such as the Qana massacre? Was it fair to slaughter all those men women and children in a refugee camp? "Think about that one."

Get your facts straight, and don't spread lies about the qur'an, have you ever read it? of course you haven't.

regards,
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 7:30 am

hey LY772,

Another question, how come you call me a nazi bastard when a make a remark like the one i did up there (which was intended to be sarcasm BTW) but when you say that for Muslims when someone doesn't beleive in Allah this person will die, it is not a 'nazi bastard' remark?
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 7:37 am

Well, I was just wondering in all this, who the hell is an Arab? How can you tell an Arab by looks? Do you think Arabs all look alike? I would love for someont to describe what an Arab looks like.

There are black arabs, there are white arabs, and every color in between. They don't all wear headdress. In fact, if you boot all the dark arabs off airliners, you'd still have white, blue eyed arabs sitting there right next to you.

It kills me when people talk about booting arabs off flights, for the majority of these people have no idea what they're talking about.
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 7:42 am

LY772

The Palestinians are NOT alone in guilt for the problems of the Middle East....Israel is just as much to blame as what the Palestinians are.

The last act of terrorism by each side?

Well, the way that I look at terrorism, the last act of terrorism by a Palestinian was a day or two ago when a Palestinian entered a Jewish settlement and killed a number of Israelis. The last act of terrorism by an Israeli would have been only a day or two before that when a number of Palestinian children were shot dead by Israeli troops (they were guilty of throwing rocks....apparently an offence punishable by death without trial in Israel?).

Other acts of terrorism on either side are many, and have been raging on for many years.

Yes, the Palestinians are guilty. But Israel is not innocent. Who will ever forget the photos of the man in the West Bank (or maybe it was Gaza) crouching down next to a wall, trying to protect his son, and then only a few seconds later, that young kid was shot dead by Israeli troops. What was the father, and especially the child, guilty of?

Yes, the Israelis are guilty. But Palestine is not innocent. The Palestinians will send a suicide bomber into a pizza shop, killing several Israeli patrons. What were those people guilty of?

So, LY772, cut the crap, and admit that the Israelis are just as guilty as the Palestinians in committing atrocities. Until you are able to do that (as well as the whole nation of Israel) there will NEVER be peace in the Middle East. And the same goes for the Palestinians.
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 7:44 am

LY772,

That is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard in my entire life!

Apparently you have NO idea what you are talking about.

The Q'uran clearly states that the attack against other religions is prohibited. Also, it is prohibited to become a missionary in the Islamic religion, and it is prohibited to spread the word of Islam. The Q'uran says let everyone believe in what they believe in.

And for your information LY772, if you knew any of the basics, you would know that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam ALL believe in the SAME god.

These extremist who have commited this insane act on 9/11 have violated all the rules of Islam.
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 7:48 am

You want to start talking about the Palestinians?

Why are we blocking roads between cities?
Because terrorists would take that road that leads through some Jewish settlement, and they go there, and blow themselves up.

Why aren't we letting them go to work in Israel?
Palestinians workers would get on busses and some terrorist would find someway on without anyone noticing (Baggage area under the bus,etc.) and once he was in Israel, he blew himself up in some club, restaurant, bus station, etc.

Why do you hear on CNN that a few Palestinians were killed each day?
CNN refrains from saying "oh, and by the way, the reasons the Israeli soliders were shooting at them was because they were throwing rocks at soliders, and on some occasions, firing automatic weapons at them.

Why did the Jews take "Phalastina"?
People say that the Jews took land from the Palestians in 1948 when Israel got its independance. Has anyone read the bible? I'll brief you: Egypt, Slaves, Running Away, etc. etc. etc.

One last thing:
ISRAEL IS THE MOST UNDERRATED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD

Israel is about the size of Deleware. A day after it's Independance, Israel was attacked by Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and Jordan. Who won that war? Other wars when Israel took Sinai and Ramat Ha Golan (Golan Heights in English, I believe).

NOBODY WANTS THE PALESTIANS!
When Israel made peace with Egypt, Israel wanted to give the Gaza strip to Egypt but Egypt said no.

When Israel made peace with Jordan, Israel wanted to give the West Bank to Jordan but Jordan said no.

WHY I DONT WANT PEACE WITH PALESTINE?
Do you actually know what they want? They want about 7 million Muslims to come back to Israel (these are the people that ran away from Palestina during the Independance War). Imagine, the people that you hate the most in the world, 7 million of them would come back and live amongst them. They would come to some cities, knock on the doors and say, "I built this house, get out." I say: Palestinians. Take Gaza and the West Bank, put up a fence and shoot anyone who tries to go over it. Simple. No hassle, no problem.
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 7:49 am

Scotty, great post, as always. Keep it up!
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 7:50 am

Hepkat,

Very good point. Syrians and Lebanese are very white and look a lot like Europeans and Americans except with generally darker hair.
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 7:53 am

Hey LY772,

Why don't you answer my question? Let me paste it again for you

how come you call me a nazi bastard when a make a remark like the one i did up there (which was intended to be sarcasm BTW) but when you say that for Muslims when someone doesn't beleive in Allah this person will die, it is not a 'nazi bastard' remark?

Nicolas
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 8:01 am

Do you actually know what they want? They want about 7 million Muslims to come back to Israel (these are the people that ran away from Palestina during the Independance War). Imagine, the people that you hate the most in the world, 7 million of them would come back and live amongst them. They would come to some cities, knock on the doors and say, "I built this house, get out." I say: Palestinians. Take Gaza and the West Bank, put up a fence and shoot anyone who tries to go over it. Simple. No hassle, no problem.

You know what they want? They want there LAND BACK! They want there RIGHTS back! They want to be free like they were before 1945 when Palestine was its own country. They fight because they are ANGRY. They fight for REVENGE!

The Palestinians are 3rd class citizens, can't get the same education, can't get the same jobs, can't live up to there dreams and its been like this since 1948 with some minor improvements.

The case between the Israelis and the Palestinians, is the same case as with the Whites and African Americans in the 1950's and 1960's.

You think they want to annihilate Israel? Jews and Muslims lived together in peace for THOUSANDS of years. The religions came so close that for a time, they almost became ONE!
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 8:28 am

Nicolaki and BA: Excellent points.

take care,
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 8:32 am

"How come you call me a nazi bastard when a make a remark like the one i did up there (which was intended to be sarcasm BTW) but when you say that for Muslims when someone doesn't beleive in Allah this person will die, it is not a 'nazi bastard' remark?"

I will tell you why. When you made that "remark", you said it. You made it up. When I said that someone who doesnt believe in Allah will die, I didn't say that, I was quoting Muslims.

LET ME TELL YOU A STORY
Around the 1948 period, Britain gave the Arab world a good offer. Let Israel be a half-half country. Let the Arabs live wherever they want in Israel, and the the Jews live wherever they want in Israel. The Arabs rejected. So when you say "The religions came so close that for a time, they almost became ONE!" dont say it like I don't know.

Oh, and for the millionth time, Israel and it's lands were always "property" of the Jews. Once again...Egypt...slaves....desert...crossing....spark anything?

The arabs took it and in 1948 we took it back.

And if an Arab country decides to take us on, I will defend this country.

Think of Israel as the little guy that gets bullied by the bigger guys (like Arab countries). Israel is small, but it is stronger than the bigger guys. The more you push us, the more we'll push you back.
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 9:28 am

It seems that LY772 has been well honed in the skill of spreading biased Israeli propaganda without so much as even questioning the rubbish that hes been forced to swallow, quite obviously hes bitter and cant get over the fact that many non-muslims here also do not share his bygone views, therefore the resulting emotional outburst, and the height of your ignorance LY772 is that you do not even know that Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same one God and ONE of his names in the Arabic language is Al-Lah = Allah Smile
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 9:43 am

"Israel is small, but it is stronger than the bigger guys. The more you push us, the more we'll push you back"

hmm...Actually, it's the U.S., which supplies Israel with billions and billions of dollars, that is bigger and stronger. In reality, without the U.S., there really would be no Israel. And whats the deal with your "pushing" statement? In other words, you are saying, "the more you(palestinians) protest the destruction of your homes and the killings of your people, the more we will do it.."?

take care,
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 9:48 am

LY772, actually, back in 1948 when the British offered to give Israel part of the land, the Israelis (then just Jews, as Israel didn't exist) took that offer, but after taking that offer, they wrangled even more land from their neighbours through force. If that isnt unfair, then I dont know what is. Israel was given its land, taken from the Palestinian homeland, yet they still wanted more, and still want more.
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 9:53 am

Also, LY722, I think you need to learn to open your mind and have tolerance for all people. Ignorance is what causes all these wars and problems in the world. It causes poor countries to remain poor, because the rich countries are ignorant of their problems. It causes wars because of propaganda turning the whole population of one country against each other. LY772, maybe you should think about this.
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 9:55 am

If Muslim's are not a violent group why does their religion have provisions for a jihad, or "holy war"? Just wondering....
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 9:59 am

Dasa,

Thank you for that excelent explanation regarding the land. I was about to say the same thing, but it looks like you beat me to it!  Smile

Thanks again, excelent explanation.

Kindest Regards.
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 10:02 am

HSV,

A Jihad is a war IN THE DEFENSE OF ISLAM. When another religion or group of people fight against Islam to take it down, then a Jihad is a retaliation in defense of the religion of Islam. Jihads started after the crusaders came and killed thousands of innocent lives.

A Jihad is a war used ONLY to defend the religion of Islam, and NOT to annihilate another religion.

Regards.
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 10:03 am

BA, I actually spoke to a Muslim friend of mine about Jihad. It is not actually meant to be a 'holy war', but it is supposed to be a war in your own self to combat evil in your own mind. Thus, according to the Qu'ran, it is not to be used to wage war against other people, as it is a concept of self-improvement. I hope this clarifies the concept of Jihad.
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 10:18 am

Ok, it's stupid how this thread degenerated into an Israeli/Palestinian/World war. LY772, just lay off a bit, try and give an objective answer, and otherwise keep your mouth shut so that you don't spout so much flamebait. Furthermore, the great majority of you people don't really see both sides of the issue, and skewering of the facts is very commonplace.

I could spend hours and many many paragraphs criticizing each and every one of you, but I won't. I've stated my position many times before and right now I don't feel like stating it again.

Moving back to the POINT of this thread, I think that many of the reports you have been hearing have been exaggerated, but there definitely has been some discrimination against Arabs, which is totally out of line by the crews/other passengers on these flights. I would support legal action against the perpetrators.

Aaron G.
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 10:55 am

War is always for something you want to defend. I don't want to get into a religious debate, but nothing can justify war.

In the past some religions including Christianity may have had provisions for war in their religion, but not anymore except for Islam. The Jews are the most persecuted people in history, yet they do not have provisions for war in their religion.

And BA, I do know how to READ, so I don't NEED you to HIGHLIGHT specific WORDS for me to read.
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Fri Oct 05, 2001 12:07 pm

Wow,

I come back a day later and expect my comments to be attacked by someone, and I stumble onto this?

These Israel v's Palestinian stuff needs to stop. There are bigger fish to fry at the moment.

I asked my work collegues on what would go through their minds if a so called stereotypical arab (Robes, beard etc) sat next to them on a flight. They all said their minds would be ticking over (some said other things...).

Unfortunately that's human nature. It doesn't make it right or wrong - most of us can determine real threat against perceived.

Cheers,

mb

 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Sat Oct 06, 2001 7:48 am

LY772

Do you think that the Palestinians are so much pissed as the Israelis as what they are pissed at the "western" powers, over broken promises from earlier in the 1900s? It is unfortunate that most of the anger has been taken out on the Israeli people, but the fact does remain that Israeli is a state which was founded after promises were broken by the "west" (mainly Britain), and the "west" has defended that decision every since.

However, violence begets violence, and whilst Israel has been somewhat innocent in the whole problem, Israel holds just as much responsibility as the other sides in the "conflict". Until you can realise this, there is no hope for yourself, or for the state of Israel, because you are the next generation, and it is that generation which holds the key for peace in the Middle East.
 
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Sat Oct 06, 2001 8:27 am

Bombstar, I feel the same. What has been happening is, to put it simply, inhumane.

Despite human nature, we really should TRY to tolerate one another. It's pathetic that we can't even TRY!

It's really stupid that those folks who simply look like bin Laden are suffering for this, even worse, some of those are American citizens, yet we don't hear the NAACP jump in and help...

Guess they are just as irrational and wont represent our fellow Americans, huh?

 Insane
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RE: Arabs Being Booted Off Flights

Sat Oct 06, 2001 9:55 am

>i would punch the pilot in the face, even though it would mean that i'd get kicked off too.

You wouldn't just get kicked off, you'd be sitting in Federal prison. Maybe not a bad thing.

But really... whether you like it or not, airlines DO have the right to refuse service to anyone (ever see those signs hanging in businesses?). And if the majority of PAYING customers on a flight demand that someone be taken off, what can the airline do? Lose the business of the person being taken off, or lose the business of ALL the people demanding they be taken off?

Its all business-- there is no 'grudge' by the airlines.

Frankly, I wouldn't be too comfortable on a plane with a group of terrorist-looking men. But thats no reason to set fire to a restaurant or anything. And I wouldn't have any comfort issues being near them anywhere else.

I know y'all'll probably hate this, but:

Why don't we do it the way Israel does it? They haven't had a hijacking in, well, a very long time. What do they do?
- more security
- 'racial profiling' (GASP! well, it works)

Yes, 'racial profiling'. It does work. If I was to fly El Al, I'd be profiled as a 'medium security risk' because of my race and nationality. I don't care if they use my race/nationality to check me out a bit closer than they would with a 'low security risk' traveller.

If you would, get over it!

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