lehpron
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Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sun Oct 14, 2001 5:02 pm

From day one, I was watching our government very closely, before the atacks and after. I always had the feeling that the Bush Administration has had no intention of "winning this war". Bush has always kept saying to the American people that this will be a long operation, long enough to get rid of all the terrorists so our children can live in more free society.

Bush is keeps saying the same fuzzy-patriotic-jargon everytime he comes on TV. I believe that the Bush Administration is taking advantage of our emotions by funneling our money into our military.

No one can get rid of all evil, once all evil is extinguished, it will reappear, good and evil always exist. An analog would be like hunting Locke Ness because it attacked some Navy Seals -- the war will not end, and they know it. Furthermore, those that can find the "evil", the US ignores them.

This is what I think is the proof of this feeling I have, it was taken from the frontpage of the Oct 10, 2001 LATimes newpaper.

"We don't understand what the Americans want. If they really want to distroy the Taliban and Osama bin Laden and other terrorists, they have to bomb according to the coordinates that we give them," Gen. Bobojan, s senior commander of he Northern Alliance, said at the strategic Bagram air base north of Kabul, the capital of Afganistan.

It's not much to light a bulb, but don't you think that the US would have shared info with our new ally, the Northern Alliance, and might have atleast considered their info? It's kinda wierd...
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sun Oct 14, 2001 5:48 pm

Right now I am torn between wanting revenge for the horrible attacks committed, but also know that we have to wake up to what is going on in the world, what we are doing and where we are going.
Is it really right to retaliate by killing more? In the end the civilians, the innocent always suffer far more than they should.
I don't understand how more anger and hate will do any good...
 
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sun Oct 14, 2001 6:14 pm

I don't like this "war" anymore than you do, Lefty. I already hate that fact that Bush waited 2 weeks before addressing the Arabian backlash and the fact that some Americans are so ignorant they attack people for theyre looks.

It is common sence that if the we wanted to get rid of the problem, we'd go for the source, know what I'm sayin'?
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sun Oct 14, 2001 7:19 pm

You both seem to be very open minded and relatively better informed Americans...... i congratulate you on that
 
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sun Oct 14, 2001 8:32 pm

The first thing I have to say is that this disjunct may not be intentional. We may have not given the Northern Alliance the radios neccesary to call for close air support from U.S carrier aircraft. It's a long way and air support can't just be "on call".

The other thing I have to say in response to this is that getting rid of the Taliban does not neccesarily mean giving Afghanistan to another bunch of thugs. The Northern alliance is taking advantage of our bombing, undoubtedly. But I think that once the Taliban falls that it's going to come under U.N supervision.

And what is Leftseat's fixation with how bad Americans are?

Right now I am torn between wanting revenge for the horrible attacks committed, but also know that we have to wake up to what is going on in the world, what we are doing and where we are going.

Thank God that our Executive does not operate according to the same weak emotions that you do. Nobody in his right mind wants revenge. All I and the Bush Administration want is to prevent this from happening again. Bombing Afghanistan won't bring back the thousands who died, but it sure will help pave the way for the capture and apprehension of Osama bin Laden and the rest of al Qaeda.

Is it really right to retaliate by killing more? In the end the civilians, the innocent always suffer far more than they should.
I don't understand how more anger and hate will do any good...


In a perfect world we wouldn't be killing anyone. America isn't trying to kill more people than neccesary - that's why we have precision munitions. The object is to disrupt Taliban operations so that we can send in special forces troops to grab OBL and his lieutenants. If we intended to kill Afghan citizens then Bush could have just sent B-52s and carpet bombed every city in Afghanistan.

And honestly: who can say that the Afghans had any civilian infrastructure in the first place? We're bombing rubble. Because of the destruction wrought by the Taliban, there isn't any lower for the Afghan civilians to go (except to Pakistan).
 
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sun Oct 14, 2001 11:52 pm

You guys don't get it, do you? As usual, the cart is being put before the horse. From the sentiment I'm getting on this thread, you think the US shouldn't respond at all? Why is that? If the US does NOT respond, do you think this terrorism is just going to go away on it's own, fellas? Maybe some say that's open-minded, but I say it's naive.

You are dealing with people who have NO PROBLEM killing thousands of people at one time. Do you think you can reason with these people, I mean honestly? YOu can't, so to get rid of them, you "ally" yourself with whomever you can. It's the old saying "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". You may not like that fact, but it's the truth, so the US uses the Northern Alliance to help drive out the Taliban, which, in turn, will hopefully also end the terror of Mr. Bin Laden.

Sometimes, fighting is necessary. This is one of those times. And to say, Lephron, that the US doesn't want to get rid of the problem is sheer lunacy on your part. You may never rid the world of this evil, but you can do all you can to limit it so that it doesn't kill 5000 of your countrymen again on a clear morning. The attitude that you inspire with this thread is defeatist in nature.
 
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Mon Oct 15, 2001 12:01 am

I think FlyBoeing is closest to the mark. The US doesnt want to ensure that the Northern Alliance can just walk in - their regime in Afghanistan until 1996 was just as hated as the Taliban. Maybe the UN will get involved but I believe that the "wild card" in all of this is the deposed King of Afghanistan, kicked out in 1973 and currently living in Rome, and the US wants to reinstate him as a Head of State round which they think a moderate government can form. They also dont want to piss off the Muslims in Pakistan because that would lead to civil war and possibly destabilisation there and putting the Northern Alliance in power would do just that.

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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Mon Oct 15, 2001 2:51 am

This situation is similar to the Gulf War.

When Bush Sr. was asked why wasn't Saddam kicked out of office, he said he thought other people (other Iraqis) were going to do that by themselves. But they didn't, even though the Iraqis military was basically wiped out, Saddam's power stayed in tact. Let's hope the Afghanis are different...
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Mon Oct 15, 2001 4:21 am

Evidence is now emerging that Bin Laden and his terrorist thugs have been trying to acquire so-called "dirty nukes" for years.

You honestly want to just sit there and tell me the US should do nothing while our are cities are nuked by a crazed fanatic!

As for your liberal pap, the US military has been starved for funding since the end of the cold war. Do you have any idea how much it costs to maintain the world's pre-eminent fighting force. Sure defence contractors stock may go up as a result, but we are talking about our fundamental right to exist here.

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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Mon Oct 15, 2001 10:38 am

I have only given a cursory glance to all of the replies so excuse me if someone has already mentioned this.

Here is one idea why we have not killed or captured Osama Bin Laden if we really do know the whereabouts of his location. Once he is killed or captured, U.S. and World support for further action against terrorism will quickly wane. If we hold off killing or capturing Osama, we can retain World support longer and accomplish more in the fight against terrorism.

IMHO

 
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Mon Oct 15, 2001 1:14 pm

Erm...well about the Northern Alliance. Yes, they are being very helpful in the fight against the Taliban, but remember, we are not fighting their war for them. The Northern Alliance's objectives are not wholly our own objectives. Obviously the US has consulted with the Northern Alliance, and is glad to have their support, but we are not there to put them in power, as doing everything that they say would precipitate. My guess is that the United States probably bombed an installation that the NA would have needed to defend themselves against the irate majority Pushtun population were the NA to come to power.

I'm not much of a bulb either, but in any case I think that it would be incredibly stupid to do exactly what the Northern Alliance tells us to. It'd be kinda weird if we did...

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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Mon Oct 15, 2001 4:37 pm

You guys don't get it, do you? As usual, the cart is being put before the horse. From the sentiment I'm getting on this thread, you think the US shouldn't respond at all? Why is that? If the US does NOT respond, do you think this terrorism is just going to go away on it's own, fellas? Maybe some say that's open-minded, but I say it's naive.

Alpha who were you talking to specifically? Next time please address somebody, K? Oh and did you read anything or were they rhetorical questions? Please state who said not to respond.



And to say, Lephron, that the US doesn't want to get rid of the problem is sheer lunacy on your part....The attitude that you inspire with this thread is defeatist in nature

 Wow! I beg your pardon?!  Wow! Awe man, you brought tears to my eyes. Exactly how is the idea sheer lunacy?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy  Laugh out loud Are you some kind of patriot loyalist who refuses to think objectively? Dude, you cannot win any argument sitting only on one side of the fence. Big grin Until you let go of your emotions, you cannot even begin to think clearly. (have you been near angry ladies on PMS?)

*Besides that was my open-minded opinion, I heard in another post that you critique other opinions, where do you get off on that? Calm down dude, you're like an overprotective parent, were all growing up here.

Anyway, try taking Political Science courses at your local college on both American and International affairs, it'll open you mind. These days money is everything, that is why companies choose to lay off their employees rather than suffer a lower profit margin. Military contractors would go bankrupt if there wasn't a conflict, i.e. war, to sell their products to -- that's a business fact. Ever since the Cold war ended, there have been base closures and down sizing like never before. Even NASA cut down aviation related studies.

Carriers cost too much, and satelites don't last long, but weapons? Oh, yeah, they are the most profitable because of their high return-on-investment, especially in a capitalist society like America. Despite Bush's lack of interest in military aviation during the campaign, it doesn't mean they haven't lobbied hard since then. Wars are the perfect market, endless money goes well with the supply and demand, unless it ends...we can't let it end. We have learned our mistake from Clinton and Sr. Bush, by downsizing our forces we wern't prepared for 9/11. So in order to keep it going, we can not "get rid of the problem".

There's a plus for Bush too, if he can stretch this fuzzy-logic through his term, he has a guarentteed re-election. Why are we still fighting and have we caught them all yet? Bush's response, it doesn't matter. They killed over 5000 of our American citizens, we deserive closure and retailiation is our right for freedom. By feeding this to us and reminding us of our loved ones lost, we all re-ignite in anger and give him the election.

Is it really lunacy? How much of the life you experienced is given to you rather than you discovering it yourself? In any case, thanks for the laugh, I needed that!  Smile
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Mon Oct 15, 2001 8:54 pm

You can laugh all you want, pal, but yes, it is sheer lunacy to put forth. You're saying that the government virtually WANTS more attacks that kill thousands to take place. Maybe you buy that line of bull being fed to you in Political Science courses offered at the local college, being taugh, no doubt, by ultra-liberal professors who are the kind who always see the US as the bad guy, but I don't buy it. And I don't have the time to take courses in college-I'm too busy working to make sure my family is clothed, housed and fed.

So, if you find this whole thing so amusing, that tells me volumns about you.
 
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Mon Oct 15, 2001 9:22 pm

I feel quite inclined to agree with Lehpron. There are always two sides of the story, and we should all know that living in a democracy (which, the last time I checked, the US was a huge proponent of), there will always be someone who will disagree. And because we are living in a democracy, that person has as much a right as you to his point of view, no matter how much you may disagree with that point of view. And yes, a course in International relations or Political Science would do Alpha_1 a little good in realising this.

Just a question. In America's quest to be rid of terrorism, there will be casualties. And the children of these casualties will grow up, learning that the Americans had killed their parents. Won't this lead to more hatred against the US as a result? And as a result, more terrorism? Then wouldn't this entire attack be counter-productive?
 
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Mon Oct 15, 2001 10:13 pm

Carmy, what about the children over here who will grow up without their parents because of the terrorists attacks that took place Sept 11th? What kind of country to we bequeth them if we don't try to fight this monstrosity? I haven't heard you say ANYTHING about that-you're sympathies seem to lie not at all with them. That tells me volummns of what you think as well.
 
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Fri Oct 19, 2001 9:18 am

You're saying that the government virtually WANTS more attacks that kill thousands to take place.

Alpha 1, If you worked for the industry, you'd see numbers, not people. Large numbers are good until a face is put on them then they become people. Keep in mind we have a pro-industry president, who knows how long this war will last.

So, if you find this whole thing so amusing, that tells me volumns about you.

You missed this one too, huh? This situation isn't at all amusing to me, however your lack of trying to hear another viewpoint is. You cannot even try to see the many sides to this equation, almost like you don't want to. I was not asking you to buy anything, just keep them in mind. Soon it'll hit ya, certainly not in the next few months no less.

This is obviously something that will go on for a while, and there are both folks like you and me who have opposing views. Most just talk and cannot come up with a solution, here's my attempt at one solution:

We need to go after the source of the problem to come up with some solutions, but this would cost too much; and in a society of capitalists, well nuff said. Why else? I mean, the death penalty costs less than rehabilitation. This is an example of the easy way out which is what our current "war" is.

We have to think of this psychologically, not with Mk-82's and GBU-27's just yet. What causes terrorism, have any of you guys ever thought of that? They have somehow equated America with their pain, what's their pain? Most people experience things that cause them to keep it in until they lash out at someone, in this case, 6000 other people. An analog would be an abusive parent, more than likely they were abused as a child; similarly these terrorists had experienced some sort of terror in their lifes that justifies their actions. Just in case they have a concious(sp?), they scapegoat their religion as justification -- a sign of stupidity -- so we must educate them.

Since bin Laden is brainwashing everyone we need to take him out of the equation then deal with everyone else. I imagine it will cost much more than this "war", but the peace will last much longer. Fighting terrorism the way Bush wants to do it is like mowing the lawn to get rid of grass. In the short term, yes, there is less grass, but soon it'll all grow back; we have to dig out the roots! They attempted to mow us down, but we grew back, let's uproot them, okay?


Well Alpha 1,...I have provided my ideas which can work if someone considered all the potentials, but if you still want to nuke them, you're a lost cause and I bid you farewell.
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Fri Oct 19, 2001 12:07 pm

Lehpron, has anyone on this forum, or in the US government, talked about "nuking" thise people? You go off into shrillness that no one has even mentioned in any seriousness. Why is that?

And I read your psycho-babble. I don't want to "understand" a Bin Laden. Here's what there is to understand: he wants to kill Americans-as many as he can-men, women, even children. He doesn't care. I understand you can't negotiate with that mindset, and it does no good to understand it on the basic level. I do want to improve the lot of the people in the Middle East/Arab world, make no mistake, but as for these nuts who call for our head, you're NOT going to change their minds, so why even try? They've made up their minds, and we saw what happens when they've made up their minds like that-people die.

It's time to end the pshcyo-analysis. It's time to defend ourselves. So then, I guess I bid you farewell.

 
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Fri Oct 19, 2001 6:24 pm

I have to say, that I agree with Lehpron!

Alpha 1, I respect your opinion and I don´t judge wether if it´s the wrong way or the right way how the USA are trying to solve the problem.

And my opinion is: Now every military in the world is trying to get an advantage out of the situation. Just like in my country they now say that we need new fighter jets. Now the people agree with it. Before they said, no we don´t need those jets!
----> and that´s a fact!!!

The other thing is, that this war is making a lot of arab people in different countrys more and more angry.
And now the winter is coming. Hundrets or even Thousends of Afghanie will die, because they have nothing to eat or to live!
Those are innocent people.

Now imagine when the arab people see that!! They will get soooo angry.

So what do you like to do then? Those people are then also willing terrorist attacks. New terrorist groups will form.

What can we do against that? Bombing all countries with arabians?
Or better kill all arabians?

That´s something so stupid to think the war now can finish this situation.

And I think this war is just something to satisfy most of the people who want a revange.

But the US goverment knows , I really sure about that, that this is the wrong way. And they are planning something other.
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Proble

Fri Oct 19, 2001 8:40 pm

Lephron and Leftseat:
Well done, you are the two most informed and smart Americans I have seen here...well done...
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Fri Oct 19, 2001 10:49 pm

Burying one's head in the sand doesn't make one informed, Ashley. It just makes them naive.
 
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sat Oct 20, 2001 12:58 am

Well then I guess, in that case we should nuke everybody, eh Alpha 1?
 
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sat Oct 20, 2001 1:02 am

LOL, Leftseat. Again, I haven't seen anyone on here saying that. It's amazing what some people can read into what has not ever been said.
 
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sat Oct 20, 2001 2:05 am

Golly Alpha, I begining to like you! Big grin

You seemed to be fixated on bin Laden, tell me, when did I ever say that we should "understand bin Laden?" He's a screwball, he's done for and his time is up. I was talking about those he brainwashed that are still young and those currently innocent civilians who still live in their country near camps that cannot afford to move. They'll be the ones to snap in due course. Shrillness and seriousness is all we have right now, our days are young. Some people are still hopeful that their loved ones can be found in the WTC rubble; others are still angry, like yourself.

By the way, the nuke comment was a figure of speech - which tells me volumes about you.  Smile

...but as for these nuts who call for our head, you're NOT going to change their minds, so why even try? They've made up their minds, and we saw what happens when they've made up their minds like that-people die.

Dude wake up, how many "nuts" are there compared to those suffering? I'd say the number is 1:20000 for the whole population; how about the number of those killed on accident by our weapons by the time this conflict ends? About the same. Yes we will get rid of them, but our freedom will only last as long as it take for the innocents we injured to get thier revenge, then they become terrorists; what do we do kill them too?? Give me a break, it's an endless cycle and Bush knows it, that's why the "war" wont end.

My "pshcyo-analysis" is one attempt at a solution. No amount of emotions can bring back those who died, so keeping them near during a conflict only worsens it, hence you cannot come up with a solution, can you Alpha 1? Who said we should defend ourselves? Stop putting words in my mouth, next time quote me, okay?
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sat Oct 20, 2001 2:09 am

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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sat Oct 20, 2001 2:40 am

Who said we should defend ourselves

Uh...I mean't shoudn't not should.

Who said we shouldn't defend ourselves
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More Proof Of The Fact That...

Sat Oct 20, 2001 4:16 am

From Aviation Week, though they are pretty much pro-military, I found this one:

http://www.AviationNow.com/content/publication/awst/20011015/avi_edit.htm

This was the editor's comments about the leak-of-classified-info last week. You'd think that we have every right to know if we are in danger? Why don't they want us to know things, do they think we'll relatiate against THEM?

The other one is from the same issue, though I cannot find it online at their site, if I paraphrase then your responses wont be accurate. It had to do with spending money that hasn't been allocated for spending yet. I'll get back to y'all on that one, a'ight?
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sat Oct 20, 2001 5:01 am

Lehpron, LeftSeat, I think you are one of the most educated americans, i`ve seen in a while, i`m really proud of you guys !
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sat Oct 20, 2001 5:07 am

Thanks friend! Are you American?  Smile
 
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sat Oct 20, 2001 5:21 am

Bush staged this to justify defense spending? Wow, he's outsmarted all of Congress, all American citizens, all the European governments and citizens, the U.N., China, Russia, all of the Middle East, and nearly everyone in this room. While all the world is arguing over how the US should respond to the attacks, it turns out Bush had this planned out the whole time. If that's true, he's got to be one of the ingenius, diabolical mo-fo's I've ever seen in my life. WOW!!!
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sat Oct 20, 2001 5:25 am

Almost smarter than the terrorists themselves! I always wondered what he had in that big head of his...
 
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sat Oct 20, 2001 5:45 am

Leftseat86 , probably more american than you are  Big grin
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sat Oct 20, 2001 5:53 am

Here I thought the military choose to avoid swift bomb-and-run warfare in favor of a methodical, well-thought-out campaign with coordinated bombing raids, intellegence, and special-ops strategies that aren't quickly undertaken (as they said they would do). And here I thought the United States gov't was considering the Northern Alliences' track record of splintered faction land-grabs and civil wars, and thinking through the resulting fate of Afghanistan with a power-vacuum left by the Taliban. But you guys set me straight. All this time it was just a Bush-plot to get mo money.
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sat Oct 20, 2001 5:54 am

I don't know about that buddy, unless you consider California as a country on it's own! Big grin
 
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RE:Jetservice

Sat Oct 20, 2001 5:56 am

Have you seriously changed your opinion? or are you just jokeing? Your a nice guy, and very open on all issues, thats why I respect you.  Smile
 
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sat Oct 20, 2001 6:02 am

Leftseat, I was being facetious. I was giving my opinion on why the war is taking time and the N. Alliance is not being utilized like one would think. I just don't think anyone trusts them right now.

Hey, congrats on your 500th, BTW  Big thumbs up

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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sat Oct 20, 2001 6:03 am

Thanks, Big grin
 
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sat Oct 20, 2001 6:18 am

french father, MAYBE american mother, living in France, that makes you over 60 % french ... which makes you 40 % american... Big grin
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sat Oct 20, 2001 6:22 am

My mom is actually half Japanese! She was born in Connecticut, and lived her whole life in the States... I just moved from Los Angeles to Toulouse France about two months ago, so I'm feeling incredible urges to talk to my people: Americans! I love LA, I miss LA!  Sad
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sat Oct 20, 2001 6:25 am

lol now you`re at 20 % Big grin ! keep going !! ... just kidding man ! when are you coming back ?  Big thumbs up
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sat Oct 27, 2001 6:10 pm

I'm back! Thank you for your comments Yazoo and I give thanks to Lefty for being here as well.

I just wish that one day Alpha 1 could become just as American as all of us!  Laugh out loud
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sat Oct 27, 2001 10:25 pm

You attempt at humor is quite admirable, Lephron, but the fact is I don't believe what you put forth on this thread. That doesn't make me less an American than you, and I resent your implication that it does. If being entitled to my opinion makes me less of an American than you, then I don't want to be your kind of American.
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sat Oct 27, 2001 11:15 pm

The US DOES want to get rid of the Taleban and put a new administration in its place. With the oil and gas resources in Central Asia, there is too much at stake for the Yanks to leave things half done. And bin Laden has just given them an excuse!

As far as terrorism goes, that isnt going anywhere!
 
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sat Oct 27, 2001 11:51 pm

Indianguy, so where does the 6,000 dead Americans fit into your equation?  Insane
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sun Oct 28, 2001 3:52 am

JetService, I forgot about Indianguy-he vanished for a while. People like Indianguy, ADG, Hepkat, et al, don't have any solutions except for saying we need to understand these people (as they slaughter our people), but that we shouldn't do anything in the way of fighting back. To them, apeasement is the only option. That's why it's a good thing they're not running the show. Left to them, people like Bin Laden, Hussein and the Taliban would be running the world.
 
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sun Oct 28, 2001 5:03 am

So blowing up a few tents in Afghanistan will solve this terrorism problem? At look at us now! We live like idiots! Unbelieveable security at airports, random roadblocks, Anthrax letters flying around, people afraid to fly! Geez..... We need to get back to normal! Show those bastards they can't beat us! We need to find terrorists!

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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sun Oct 28, 2001 5:27 am

Ok, Leftseat, go get some terrorists, then. Geez, you make it sound like a piece of cake.
 
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sun Oct 28, 2001 5:38 am

I know it's not a peice of cake, besides my last was a dumb post, I'll admit that. But Bombing Afghanistan will not make these guys go away...
 
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sun Oct 28, 2001 10:57 am

I only read the initial question. The responses I have not read. But I must say that the question sounds uninformed. Certainly this idea that a quote from the American press is some kind of truth for proof of an idea- is disheartening. If the press didn't distort and "half truth" itself into the living rooms of grass roots USA their listening audience might actually begin to live lives without chaos. And that absence of chaos just woundn't sell.

Further, investing tax dollars for the military is good. Allow me to just help the readers by repeating this. Investing tax dollars for the military is GOOD!

Remember Libya? Remember Khadaffi? Well, perhaps you don't. But we got tired of his promotion of terrorism, spanked his hands severely, and quieted him down. He has been a soft touch ever since. And the spending on war machines was necessary- and it is now.

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Leftseat86

Sun Oct 28, 2001 11:58 am

Not bombing Afghanistan won't make these guys go away. Not bombing them will make them even more emboldened because they will feel we're weak and won't protect ourselves. If it's a choice between bombing and not bombing, I'll back the bombing.
 
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RE: Proof The US Doesn't Want To Get Rid Of Problem

Sun Oct 28, 2001 3:36 pm

Dear Alpha 1, I hope I did not offend you too much with the "American" comment, it was a pure joke and you ARE entitled to your opinion. It is just that with me, I have never (yet) actually met anyone with your mindset, so I really want to convince you that's all. Even though the frontline has not moved and most people would consider it a waste of time, I appreciate it as a new experience -- for that I admire your stance. But I feel something is missing, so I keep going.
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More than likely the Taliban completely underestimated the power of the US, comparing us to USSR 20 years ago, they will eventually fall; but how much? how soon? Did you hear about the recent JSF competition results, Lockheed won. It's an obvious unfair monopoly, but moreover is the contract: $200 Billion for 3000 aircraft. Where's this money comming from, what about our tax cut and social security? (the latter being the tagline used by Bush to get him in.)

I see a downward cycle with all the fittings of a cold war with an invisible enemy.

Here's another analogy: Let's take a married couple that suddenly got divorced. If either of the two of them constantly think about each other, they'll be depend on things and people to maintain themselves 'til they go into some kind of depression. But if they slowly get over the divorce, they'll be better off; remembering the fun and learning fron the experience for next time if need be.

Putting this into perspective, we've all been divorced from over five thousand people, and what does our government do to help us? Well, through the media, they choose to constantly remind us of 9/11. What's that done to us? We are now in a volatile emotional state and highly dependent on others, in this case our military, for support.

This happens to people all the time, we all get desparate enough to trust anyone when were down and out, hence we get scammed, screwed, dumped, raped; should I go on? Our Administation knows that once we consider the problem solved (i.e. we are learning to cope with emotional loses through the end of bin Laden's reign and the Taliban) we wont back them up anymore. So they are going to 1) keep us in the dark about any news and 2) remind us of 091101. That's like being forced to watch the person of your dreams enjoy someone else, over and over and over again.

Don't any of you guys/gals out there tell me they aren't taking advange of us, give it time you'll see.
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