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Bush - A Good Guy?

Mon Oct 15, 2001 6:22 am

Short and Simple - Do you think Bush has handled this situation well? Has your opinion of him changed in anyway since the attacks?

Personally, I thought he was a great president, and now I think the integrity and honor of his cabinet and he himself has shown through even clearer. Nice job GW. I have even greater respect for him now, and there isn't another president I would rather have up there (esp. not Gore/Clinton)

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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Mon Oct 15, 2001 6:50 am

Couldn't disagree more, I think he's completely out of his depth and got there because the support his family carries with (say) the Supreme Court. These second-rate presidents have been America's Achilles Heel for decades now. I personally liked Clinton - for instance he went to the Gaza Strip, which took balls and proved he was genuinely interested in creating peace. Ditto Belfast. But I know a lot of Americans didn't like him.

But let's be real: Johnson (Vietnam), Nixon (where the hell do I start?), Ford (the man for whom the expression was coined, "Can't walk and chew gum at the same time"), Carter (Iran), Reagan (where the hell do I start), Bush sr (inconclusive end to Gulf War; recession; comment about the Simpsons), Clinton (couldn't keep his hands off tarts; lied, albeit about his personal life).

You guys have only had one two-term president (I don't count Reagan cos he genuinely wasn't in command towards the end) since the 50s and a lesser man would have been hounded out of office - Clinton. I don't think any president since Eisenhower has reflected even an ounce of the greatness of the nation that elected them. Bush sr is one of the worst examples and people like him in the hot seat is a luxury America can no longer afford.
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Mon Oct 15, 2001 6:54 am

he's doing a lot better than gore would've for sure
 
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Mon Oct 15, 2001 7:00 am

Must agree with that, if I was American I'd be a Democrat by a mile but Gore didn't thrill me at all and I don't think he'd be doing much better now. It's a terrible situation and needs real leadership, and Gore is just as useless as the others. Guiliani 2004.
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Mon Oct 15, 2001 7:11 am

I didn't like Bush SR one bit for his lack of action in dealing with Libya on PA 103. As well as caving in to the Saudis and not invading Baghdad. Saddam is still in power. Hopefully Bush Jr will have more backbone than his father ever did. I persoanlly think he is doing a much better job than Gore. Clinton would've done next to nothing aside from lauching some missles.
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Mon Oct 15, 2001 7:15 am

"W" may be dumber than a pile of bricks, but resurrecting the old Cold War spooks for his foreign policy team turned out to be exactly the way to go...this is no time for Madeline Halfbright to be running the show.

I have no sympathy for Gore whatsoever. He shot himself in the foot with his over-reliance on media-savvy experts to craft his every move and thought. Having said that, American people by and large do not like intellectuals. Draw your own conclusions about that one . Big grin
 
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Mon Oct 15, 2001 8:05 am

First of all, I don't think Bush has any other choice as how to approach this situation. If we remember, his administration took quite a PR beating for pissing off our closest allies during the first 6 months in office. Here in Europe it was all over the news. People were just indignant that he would dare make policy decisions unilaterally. That said, this WTC attack was a blessing in disguise. It gave Bush a second chance to get it right, which he did by carefully consulting with leaders before making a move. But I tell you, ANY president would have had to make the same decision, as it's simply the most prudent choice to make given the sensitivity of this issue. I think whether Gore, Jackson or my Aunt Edna, the president would have received similar council from his cabinet.

That said, my one biggest gripe with Bush is that he doesn't seem to know what he's doing. I get the impression that its his advisers who're running the show. Haven't you guys ever noticed whenever he's asked important questions at news conferences? This man genuinely has no clue! He stumbles and fumbles for any answer, and most of them sound like comments from a grade schooler. It is rather embarassing when foreign diplomats visit the White House, using English as a second language, and still manage to give more credible sounding and confident replies to tough questions from the media.

Many people say he has a speech impediment. That's fine. You can't and shouldn't hold that against him, he has no control over that. But apart from that, the guy just doesn't seem to display that confidence on screen that says, "this is my administration, I call the shots, I'm confident that I know what I'm doing". His sentences lack coherence, logic or any sense whatsoever. His inability to properly and confidently make a convincing statement on government policy or decisions leads me to believe his advisers are really running the White House, with him just stamping the presidential seal wherever they tell him. Whenever Condoleeza Rice holds a press conference, she looks 10 times the President that he is. It's so bad that everytime he speaks on TV, I usually have to change the channel, it's that painful!
 
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Mon Oct 15, 2001 8:40 am

You said HANDLED the situation... there is no judging until the attacks are all over. At the moment, i think he is handling it well... I just don't think he should try to get a job as an English teacher...

Some of his ideas didn't make any sense, so I didn't like him... but this might make him a good pres... it all depends on what he does/could do.

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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Mon Oct 15, 2001 9:12 am

Hepkat wrote: "It's so bad that everytime he speaks on TV, I usually have to change the channel, it's that painful!"

Have you ever heard a speech by Jean Chrétien, the Canadian prime minister? Bush's speech impediment, if he even really has one, pales by comparison.

The one politician I find myself having to change the channel on is Tony Blair. Blair's trouble is that he is too good a public speaker, so polished that he comes across as slick.

 
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Mon Oct 15, 2001 10:02 am

Schmuck!
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Mon Oct 15, 2001 10:14 am

The Bush administration has been faced with an unprecedented situation, and it seems that his administration has dealt with the situation pretty well thus far (and obviously, there is still a lot that could go wrong).

That being said, I do disagree with Bush in regards to his stance on the environment and his position on social issues. But, we are in a time of crisis right now, and therefore, these issues pale in significance.

It goes without saying that Bush is no intellectual. However, history has shown us that great intellectuals as well as business leaders don't tend to fare well in the Oval Office. In general, these people try and "run the show" too much, which usually results in placing the government in a state of gridlock. Bush, on the other hand, seems to be acting as more of a figurehead, letting his cabinet and advisors run the show.

Some have criticized Bush's ability to handle press conferences, and I would agree that he can't give the succinct, polished answers of Bill Clinton or Colin Powell. However, it seems that his delivery has improved during the course of the past year. At least to me, he doesn't come across as being as "stiff" as he once did, and it seems like he has a better grasp of the issues (there's no doubt that he really scared me a couple times during the campaign).
 
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Mon Oct 15, 2001 10:31 am

IMO, Bush shoud take some oral english lessons. I am chilean, and I speak english (not perfect, but quite good) and I DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING of what Bush says...  Smile


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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Mon Oct 15, 2001 1:58 pm

without his family connections, W would be flipping burgers somewhere, and my apologies to burger-flippers: i'm sure you guys/gals work harder in a day than Bush has in his whole worthless life.
 
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Mon Oct 15, 2001 2:59 pm

LOL, We're Nuts!

No, he's a Schlameel!  Laugh out loud

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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Mon Oct 15, 2001 2:59 pm

Bush is and will always be a dumb bastard!
WTC attack or not, he can still can kiss my a$$!
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Mon Oct 15, 2001 6:20 pm

Could not agree more to the 2 above.
Although he so far did surprisingly well in the wake of the attacks. But I would be able to sleep a lot more comfortable if anyone who owns a brain was in his position. (BTW: GW has no backbone, his backbone IS his father.

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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Mon Oct 15, 2001 11:36 pm

GW is an idiot. A "Schlameel", if you will. But he has good advisors.
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Tue Oct 16, 2001 12:16 am

Bush is underrated, especially by people in this forum who refer to him as an "idiot." He has "found his voice" in this crisis (Hillary Clinton's words), and we are well served by the Bush "War cabinet." It is still early in the war, but I believe Bush will come out of this the way Truman came out of his era; reviled at first, respected in history.
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Tue Oct 16, 2001 12:29 am

I still think it's way to early to know whether he's a great president, a good president or a bad one. He's only been in office 9 months. You can't judge a man's incumbency in tne presidency based on 9 months.

I never thought he was a bad guy-I never thought his dad was ,either. I just never agreed with the broad outlines of their policies. Yet I'm behind President Bush now, 1000% without hesitation. And if the election were held today, I'd vote for him, which would be the first GOP candidate for president I would ever have voted for.

The jury is still out on what his presidency will be. We know already what will define it, but we don't know how he will define what it will be. Only a few presidents in history-Lincoln and FDR are the ones who come to mind, ever had such a monumental task facing him so early into his incumbency.
 
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Tue Oct 16, 2001 12:33 am

Hepkat said:

"People were just indignant that he would dare make policy decisions unilaterally."

And just what the hell does THAT mean Hekpat? Since when does the US have to get permission from Europe to make policy for the United States? If an American said that about a European country, you'd be down his/her throat. What an absurd statement to make!!

And if a pacifistic coward like yourself doesn't like him, then I'm completely satisfied with the job he's doing.
 
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Tue Oct 16, 2001 12:35 am

The only reason why he has handeled this situation so well is because he HASN'T, his advisors have. Besides, since september 11 every one of his speeches has sounded exactly the same...
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Tue Oct 16, 2001 12:54 am

Alpha 1, I think your constant name calling and intimidation tactics are becoming stale. Your constant verbal attacks only demonstrates to us how weak you really are. I've never seen you reply to anyone you disagreed with without having to first belittle them. It's getting tired. Give it up.
 
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Tue Oct 16, 2001 8:03 am

EIPremier wrote: "However, history has shown us that great intellectuals as well as business leaders don't tend to fare well in the Oval Office."

Few from either group ever go into politics. It wouldn't be a rewarding career for them.

I recently attended a speech given by a columnist who has been watching the political scene since the '50s. He said that those who go into politics are almost evenly split among three groups:

- One-third go into politics out of a genuine desire to do good things for the wider community. (These are the ones who rarely or never appear on TV or in the newspapers. Some bow out after a term or two out of frustration.)

- The next third are 'insanely ambitious' and go into politics purely because they want one of the 'top jobs'.

- The final third -- and this fact isn't well known -- are 'surprisingly insecure', and get a high out of having a staff licking and stuffing envelopes and putting up lawn signs (with their names emblasoned across in large letters) on their behalf.

The result? Most legislatures, parliaments, congresses or whatever are simply lousy places to work. Why go into politics when there are better jobs available, without the 60-80 hour weeks, incessant ego games, loss of privacy and disruption of family life?
 
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Tue Oct 16, 2001 9:33 am

"I think your constant name calling and intimidation tactics are becoming stale." -- True, and it goes without saying for the entire forum.
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Tue Oct 16, 2001 9:54 am

I think he has done a superb job durin these times... and yes, he is a 'good guy'.  Big grin

And, dammit.. I agree with Alpha 100% again. This is like the twilight zone.

Anyway, a couple of his statements I've really liked-- and they were both unscripted (seems he does it best that way). The first was at the site when he had the bullhorn and said that Usama "will hear all of us soon," and just this weekend when he returned to the White House from Camp David.

I couldn't have asked for a better person in the Oval Office during these trying times.
 
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Tue Oct 16, 2001 1:31 pm

Zach, you are becoming way too Liberal. Seriously! Eight months ago, you were calling Bush the lessor of two evils, and a "Liberal". But now he has replaced that bastard Carlson in your heart!

WHAT HAPPENED!?
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Tue Oct 16, 2001 1:56 pm

LOL.. no no no... I still think hes a bit too left on most issues, BUT I do believe he is handling this situation very well and is actually treating the military with respect.. something that they've missed for the past eight years.
 
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Tue Oct 16, 2001 2:12 pm

Welcome to the dark side. Glad you could join!

Pffff, typical Liberal drivel.
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Americans

Tue Oct 16, 2001 7:14 pm

George Bush needs to read up on his geography, and needs to take english lessons. His language is most atrocious for someone who is meant to be in control of the reast of the "Civilised" world (which is so f*cked up and racist its not funny)
To use such arrogant language is beyong the comprehension of anyone with any ounce of sense.
 
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RE: Americans

Tue Oct 16, 2001 8:55 pm

Goodbye, you gave us no instances of either of your charges, and if the best you can do is say what you did about our president, it doesn't hold much weight. I think, son, you should grow up a little before you start judging people.
 
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Tue Oct 16, 2001 9:57 pm

"Short and Simple - Do you think Bush has handled this situation well? Has your opinion of him changed in anyway since the attacks?

Personally, I thought he was a great president, and now I think the integrity and honor of his cabinet and he himself has shown through even clearer. Nice job GW. I have even greater respect for him now, and there isn't another president I would rather have up there (esp. not Gore/Clinton)

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I couldn't agree more!!! Love the Bush administration and I think it's done a hell of a good job. I didn't particularly care for Bush in his first days in office, but as I always say, the more I see the man the more I like him. Two months in office and I'd already decided to vote for him the next election. Now, it's set in stone, Bush is the man. After Bush's 8 years are done, I hope Colin Powell ruins for president. I'd vote for HIm in a heartbeat too!  Big grin

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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Tue Oct 16, 2001 10:22 pm

Just to be sure I got that right:

Did anyone in this forum say Bush is TOO FAR LEFT on many issues???

That´s beyond comprehension! Do those guys know which way the world is turning?

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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Tue Oct 16, 2001 11:40 pm

Don't mind N400QX, he's just a whacko. Big grin
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Wed Oct 17, 2001 12:29 am

This pretty much sums up what Bush represents to me:

 Big grin Big grin
 
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Wed Oct 17, 2001 8:44 am


In a word: Yup.
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Wed Oct 17, 2001 8:50 am

Oh you're just mad because the resemblance is so striking. Sheesh! And I thought you were a Conservative.
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RE: Mcdougald

Wed Oct 17, 2001 10:58 am

Is it just me or does Mr. Bush look about five years older than he did before the terrorist attacks? I swear there are more wrinkles in this guys forehead and his hair has become grayer.

Or maybe he was just "artifically enhancing" himself before hand. Dunno.

Anyway, back to the subject of Mr. Bush, I think his administration has done a good job in dealing with the terrorist attacks. Otherwise, I don't have too much good to say about him, and will therefore refrain from making further remarks...  Innocent
 
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RE: McDougald

Wed Oct 17, 2001 11:09 am

Whoops...I was going to respond to you in the previous post, but I guess I got sidetracked.

Anyway, I would agree that most people with realistic ambitions and high intelligence DO NOT go into politics.
I would also agree with your assessment of the three types of people who do tend to go into politics.

As far as an example of a business leader type who didn't do to well in office, I was thinking along the lines of Hoover. And, as far as an "intellectual" who didn't accomplish that much, I was thinking along the lines of Clinton.

That being said, I want to make it clear that I don't wish to turn this into a debate. I'm sure there are people who are going to try and convince me that Clinton was really a nitwit, or that he actually did accomplish a lot, or that it was because of Congress or whatever. Or that Hoover actually did make a considerable effort to combat the depression and no one could have turned things around that quickly and so on and so forth...

So, maybe I had examples to back up my point and perhaps I didn't. But, what I do truly believe is that the most successful politicians are not geniuses or saints, but the people with the winning combination of guts, ambition, charm and common sense.
 
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Wed Oct 17, 2001 12:01 pm

I just carved a Pumpkin that is smarter than G.W Bush.
 
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Wed Oct 17, 2001 2:39 pm

LOL RealHigh! Big grin  Laugh out loud
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N400QX:

Wed Oct 17, 2001 6:22 pm

Someone's pooey man!
Goodness me, its like someone attacked your father...get a life man, get a life.
 
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Thu Oct 18, 2001 12:22 am

Whatever, looks like someones post got deleted all I'll say is: It wasn't me!
 
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Thu Oct 18, 2001 2:12 am

He is a morron, a complete idiot with an IQ below 70, an ignorant that should have been a janitor in the White House instead of president. How can you stand having him as a president? Let's not hide it, the president of the USA should have better qualifications than him. The US president controls the whole world!

I liked the pic with the monkeys! He is not far from that!
 
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Thu Oct 18, 2001 4:00 am

Nah Lewis! He's well qualified for the job. He's got all the good attitudes. Links to oil, armament, automobile industry, good media links, he's anti-environment, anti-education, anti-equality, anti-social, refreshing capitalistic.

He's now simply paying back to those who financially made you making him the President of the United States of America. And everybody's happy frolicking.
 
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Fri Oct 19, 2001 4:07 am

Not even a single objection to my last post in 24hrs. I was in believe you'd be standing behind your oily president. Instead you're for the victims of 9/11. I love you America. For realism. This world is round.
 
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Fri Oct 19, 2001 4:10 am

Cliffie. Your post just didn't need a response from someone intelligent who knows something about the current presidency.
 
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Fri Oct 19, 2001 4:23 am

So please let us know what makes you know about the current presidency that was not distributed by your media. You agreed that media = propaganda. Who's watching CNN & Co around the clock?
 
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Fri Oct 19, 2001 7:33 am

The media and the presidency are controlled by the same intrest groups.
 
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Fri Oct 19, 2001 7:40 am

KROC:
True, so why did they hate Bill Clinton so much?
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RE: Bush - A Good Guy?

Fri Oct 19, 2001 7:50 am

Superfly, the media LOVES Bill Clinton. They portrayed his sexual indescretions like they were nothing, they mad ehim seem like a hero in his attacks against Iraq and Africa, when they may have been in violation of international law. The media made Bill Clinton a hero for actions that would have gotten the ordinary man a prison sentance. Why?...Because the media loved Bill Clinton.

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