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GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Fri Oct 19, 2001 1:39 pm

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=490

There's something about Republicans and leadership in times of crisis. Thank you Lincoln, Ike, Reagan, Bush Sr., etc..

Don't get me wrong, Dems are ok. Thank you FDR, Carter, and Mondale.
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RE: GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Fri Oct 19, 2001 1:47 pm

Oh Jesus!  Insane
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RE: GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Fri Oct 19, 2001 1:52 pm

Yes, I'm here Superfly.

Let us wait and see how this turns out, eh? Polls mean nothing at this point. Hell, they aren't even worth the 20 seconds I spent at that website, let alone four dollars.
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RE: GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Fri Oct 19, 2001 5:09 pm

Reality hurts doesn't it guys Big thumbs up
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RE: GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Fri Oct 19, 2001 5:26 pm

If Bush can pull us out of this mess, you'll never hear Superfly bitch about little Bush again! Big grin
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RE: GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Sat Oct 20, 2001 2:05 pm

Thank God, Superfly! Your baseless drivel that dishonors the Office of the Presidency will end soon!
 
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RE: GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Sat Oct 20, 2001 3:09 pm

Al Gore in this situation--- You know, I invented boxcutters....and anthrax for that matter. Let me tell you about the time me Osama bin Laden and I had lunch together...
 
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RE: GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Sat Oct 20, 2001 3:16 pm

Ya, I have no confidence that Al Gore would have risen to the level of the leadership that we've seen from GWB.

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RE: GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Sat Oct 20, 2001 3:20 pm

Im all for Bush.. but who would pay 3.95 to answer a question?
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RE: GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Sat Oct 20, 2001 3:31 pm

XFSU- Don't tell me you did..

QX- I actually agree. I think bush is doing a FINE job, and need the american people's support now. (He's got most of it.)

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RE: GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Sat Oct 20, 2001 3:49 pm

You can't say this would have happened if Gore were elected. And I'm not talking about politics, but rather fate vs. free will. An interesting topic.
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RE: GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Sat Oct 20, 2001 11:39 pm

Clinton didn't have to go through this crisis, so we don't know, nor will we ever know how he would have handled it, and it's a moot point to even wonder about it.

And what great "crisis" did Reagan and Ike get us through? Ike had one of the quietest 8 years ever in office. The biggest "crisis" that Reagan had to deal with was Challenger, Greneda (puhleeez), and the bombing of the marines in Lebanon.

The ultimate crisis were handled by Lincoln and FDR. They're the ones that the comparisons should be made with, not with a president who never had to face such a crisis.
 
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RE: GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Sun Oct 21, 2001 12:02 am

Alpha you forget his election cleared the war for those hostages to be release by Iran.

You also seem to forget about those little civil wars that where going on in Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragra just to name a few.

He had to walk a fine line between the US support of Britain and our obligations to defend Argentinia under the OAS treaties when those two countries had a bit of a row in 82-83

He had what a bigger problem of terroism in the mideast with those dozen or so hostages and Lebanon. Also there was more states that where openly sponsoring it.

Then we had the problems with libya. It is amazing how that can settle down when you run a strafing attack down the side of a tent the leader of a country is sleeping in can calm him down.

Plus our old run ups with the Soviet Union.

I'd say Reagan had more then his share of issues to deal with.
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RE: GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Sun Oct 21, 2001 12:19 am

L-188, Carter's Administration, for all it's bungling of the Hostange Crisis, did all the ground work to get the hostages released. Not much credit, in my view, to Reagan, on that one, because Iran just wanted to rub salt in Carter's wounds by releasing them the instant Reagan took the Oath of Office.

As for the Civil Wars, we didn't exactly come out smelling like roses in all of those, did we? And you'd have thought, based on the response of some people back then, that Greneda was the second coming of Normandy or something.

Maybe Reagan had some issues to deal with, but they pale greatly in comparison with this, and it's not fair comparing Reagan or Bush the 2nd.
 
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RE: GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Sun Oct 21, 2001 5:11 am

Even a staunch Bush supporter like myself is rolling his eyes and this crap. There is no way to tell how anyone would deal with a situation, unless they are the ones affected. Give me a break. I got some thanks for ya...
 
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RE: GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Sun Oct 21, 2001 6:32 am

There is an excellent article in todays NTIMES.COM talking about how staunch Democrats and Gore supporters have nothing but praise for Dubya. Some are even relieved it's him and not Gore who is running things.

As someone who leans Democrat, I neither voted for nor was particularly impressed with Bush. But I think he's made some excellent decisions since the event of early September. I stand behind my President, whether I voted for him or not.

That having been said, I idly wonder how patriotic staunch conservatives would be in rallying around Al Gore at this awful time in our nation's history had the Supreme Court decided in the other direction....considering there is an entire billion dollar industry of pundit-tv, talkradio, journals, magazines and websites that built itself around Clinton-hating, a whining, chestbeating media animal in constant need of feeding. I dare say a President Gore would already have the snivellers second guessing everything he does and weakening us all in the process.
 
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RE: GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Sun Oct 21, 2001 6:40 am

Pam Am747, are you just trying to start a flame war for the hell of it?
I mean that poll is full of $hit if you ask me. We mine as well compare every US President to Bush (part II) in this conflict.
FRD is a revered Prez, how would he handle this?
Hmmm, round up all the Arab-Americans like he did the Japanese?
This just goes to show how much in love the media is with the little prick in the White House.

And some of you call the media liberal?, Give me a break!  Pissed
 
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RE: GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Sun Oct 21, 2001 6:49 am

>>Pam Am747, are you just trying to start a flame war for the hell of it?<<

No. Anyways I agree that this poll is a little off. No one wants to change Presidents in this type of situation.

About Ike, I was reffering to his military leadership.

>>And some of you call the media liberal?<<

YES, especially when Dan Rather attends DNC fundraisers!!
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RE: GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Sun Oct 21, 2001 7:01 am

Oh you all just like Bush because he was quick to retaliate. Anyway, you may as well say that you love his advisers, because it is they who are making all of the decisions. GWB just gets in front of the camera, and reads the teleprompter like a good little puppet.
 
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RE: GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Sun Oct 21, 2001 7:04 am

Here's one I always ask my conservative friends who are convinced the "media" is liberal..

If a doctor were conservative..if he were a registered Republican, a Bush campaign worker, hell, the county GOP chairman...... would he operate on a liberal patient? A Democrat?

Of course. Why? Because in his capacity as a doctor, he's putting his skills to work, not his politics.

Why can't the same be true of a journalist who happens to vote Democrat? Or has a liberal worldview? Or...goes to a DNC fundraiser?

This may come as a shock to you, but as a product of a journalism school deep in the heart of a "liberal" northeastern city, I can assure everyone that we did not get "How To Report The News-Left Wing Style" pamphlets in our orientation kits the first day of freshman year. We were instructed in the journalism basics...who, what, when, where, why. Checking sources. Defining what a "fact" was from an unambiguous point of view.

To prove that, wander over to the aforementioned article at NYTIMES.COM, a positively stellar assessment of the President's performance by the newspaper that together with the Washington Post (which has also glowed about Dubya's last month) was cited by the Dittoheads for years as the case study in liberal media elite. If they're such liberal liars, are they lying now!?

A line in the play "Inherit The Wind", which itself does a remarkable job in looking at liberal and conservative from outside of the box, pretty much sums up, in my opinion, the problems that conservatives have with the "liberal" media....

"It's the job of a journalist to comfort the afflicted...and afflict the comfortable."
 
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RE: GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Sun Oct 21, 2001 7:15 am

Heavymetal-

The doctor has nothing to do with politics, but a journalist reports on politics everyday, that's his job. How can he distinguish the two, on one hand support the Democratic party with his money etc., and on the other hand report the news fairly? And everyone knows what a super weapon the media can be in politics.

>>"liberal" northeastern city<<

Is there a such thing called a conservative northeastern city?  Smile
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RE: GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Sun Oct 21, 2001 7:29 am

Some say the media was liberal because they loved Bill Clinton.
Hmmmm, Bill Clinton was NOT a liberal!
He was a moderate to conservative Democrat.

They certainly didn't like Al Gore either. The Gore campaign didn't even get much attention until he picked Joseph Leibermann as his running mate. The Bush/McCain show dominated the political headlines in the early part of 2000. I bet half the people here in forums don't remember who Gore's opponent was during the primaries.
Gore won all 50 primaries and cauces unlike GW. Hell he did't even win the popular vote! But I won't get into that

And if the meadia was liberal, my guy Ralph Nader would have got a lot more attention.
 
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RE: GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Sun Oct 21, 2001 7:42 am

>>I bet half the people here in forums don't remember who Gore's opponent was during the primaries.<<

Yeah I don't know who it was, but it was a given than Gore was going to get picked.
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RE: GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Sun Oct 21, 2001 8:20 am

Exactly PanAm. Gore had nobody who was going to give him any strong contention in the Primaries. Poor argumentitive point.
 
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RE: GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Sun Oct 21, 2001 9:06 am

PanAm...Manchester New Hampshire comes to mind...and I wouldn't advise libs to hold a peace rally in South Boston, Mass anytime soon.

But in response to your point about the doctor, there's actually no difference. A doctor uses the skills he has learned on his patient, regardless of the doctors politics. A journalist learns a skill called accurate reporting, and should use that skill on his patient, the events of the day.

Notice I did not say "FAIR and accurate" reporting, because frequently accurate reporting is NOT fair.....is there a FAIR side to accurately report a 767 flying into a sky-scraper? No. The same model can be placed on a Presidential scandal or bad arms trade....you just might not like the answers. And THAT is when things get labelled "liberal".

But all this is kind of moot...you conservatives now have your Rush, your Fox and your Washington Times to present the news in a way you see fair...you'll allow me the opinion that I think if you want blatantly filtered news, you'll get it on the outlets I just mentioned, but to each his own. I think it'll be interesting to see though, now that conservatives truly to have their own brand of news reporting, and can't use the 'mainstream media' as an excuse anymore....how often you'll find yourselves back on the old "liberal" networks like CNN (Clinton-News-Network...is that right??)

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RE: GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Sun Oct 21, 2001 12:55 pm

I'm confident if Gore had won, the GOP would be behind him just like the Dems are behind GW.

I wouldn't be so concerned with Gore himself, but his appointees that would've played the roll of Rumsfeld, Powell and Cheney. (Scary thought)

Cba, I think your comment was completely absurd and makes you out to be a puppet yourself. A pupper of rhetoric that is still clinging on to old stale campaign jargon. Bush is the Commander-In-Chief whether you accept that or not. He is the final authority and he calls the shots. If his advisors disagree with him, then it is their duty to explain why and make a good case. A good president will then take that into consideration. That's how it works. You make it sound like they are telling him what to do. Grow up, you!!!
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RE: GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Sun Oct 21, 2001 4:29 pm

All I can say is I agree. Clinton sucked. He was immoral, full of himself, and the media was his bitch.

I may get backlash, cause this is the truth.

Bush 2004

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RE: GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Sun Oct 21, 2001 9:55 pm

Ralph Nader!  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: GW Better Than Clinton In This Crisis

Sun Oct 21, 2001 10:09 pm

Unfortunately, JetService, some people can't accept things as they now are. I for one, even thought I wasn't happy with the outcome, made the leap from not voting for Bush in November last year to throwing my support behind him as he took the Oath of Office. We only have one president, and he deserves our supprt when it's called for,and he deserves our honest, JUSTIFIED criticism when it's justified. I think this throwback bickering about the election last year, and the absurd notion that he's not calling the shots is the worst form of being a sore loser. I didn't vote for him; nor have I approved of many of his policies, but he has my backing 1000% in this war, and I think he's done a great job in rallying the nation since Sept 11th.

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