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Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Sun Oct 28, 2001 9:14 pm

The ethnic majority Pushtuns/Pathans of Afghanistan and western parts of Pakistan are considered one of the lost tribes of Israel, ironically it is they who make up the Taliban, and not the other ethnic groups of Afghanistan composed of Tajik, Uzbek, Turkmen and Hazra communities Smile
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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Sun Oct 28, 2001 10:18 pm

Good for you.

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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Sun Oct 28, 2001 11:36 pm

And, again, your point, Airmale? I'm sure there's some kind of Anti-US/Israel reason for it, as always.
 
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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Mon Oct 29, 2001 5:19 am

Actually, in this instance (shock horror), I have to agree with the others and say ...

"your point"?

Who considers them the lost "tribe"? How can the be the lost tribe of isreal when isreal has only been a country since 1948?

and you guys think i'm odd ....  Laugh out loud




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ADG

Mon Oct 29, 2001 5:48 am

Again, it is Israel. "Israel" is not only the name of the ME country, but also refers to Jewish tribes that lived in the ME a couple thousand years ago. But I wouldn't expect you to know that, of course.

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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Mon Oct 29, 2001 5:56 am

First ADG thought there was a Palestine 2000 years ago, now he thinks there wasn't anything called Israel until 1948 Big grin. What next?
 
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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Mon Oct 29, 2001 7:01 am

First of all, Whistler, ADG is a she, and if she doesn't even know her basic history on the region then 1. Should she even be commenting on it and 2. Does she have the same lack of knowledge of American history? I ask about the 2nd point because of her unending criticism of he US.

Either way, it shows her appalling ignorance.
 
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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Mon Oct 29, 2001 7:57 am

Poor Airmale....what an upsetting weekend. First, he finds out that PIA 747's were maintained at one point by IAI in Israel...now he finds out that the brave heroic Afghan Pushkins might be a lost tribe of Israel.....feeling vulnerable Airmale??????


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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Isra

Mon Oct 29, 2001 8:05 am

For ADG's edification, the Land of Israel has existed for thousands of years, the State of Israel for only the past 53.

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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Isra

Mon Oct 29, 2001 11:51 am

Airmale your on drugs.
 
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Mon Oct 29, 2001 12:34 pm

Aussiemite, we agreed on something!!  Big grin
 
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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Mon Oct 29, 2001 12:41 pm

Boy what would happen if we told ADG about the existance of America (USA), North America, South America. that might prove to be too much info/knowledge for her/him
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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Mon Oct 29, 2001 8:13 pm

Perhaps the more knowledgeable Israeli's and Jewish people would know of this fact more, its true and no different to that the Ethiopian Jews are one of the lost tribes as well as a community in Burma, the Afganhs also follow are tribal system that was evident it the tribes of Israel and many Jews agree with it, I guess even the Jewish members here are quite ignorant about their religion, as for my intention for this thread is simple just to bring some facts and general knowledge about the Afghans and their country to you all, by the way Kabul ws one of the places to be in along with Beirut and Tehran, no differnt to Europe Smile
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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Mon Oct 29, 2001 9:26 pm

Airmale, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em, eh?
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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Tue Oct 30, 2001 12:19 am

Airmale bhai: if the Taleban are descendants of long lost Israeli tribes, then why is your Prez insisting on keeping them in Kabul? Does Musharraf work for Mossad? I guess that would be your next theory!

The main condition for Pak support to the so-called "Global Coalition" was that Powell agree to the Taleban being involved in any future govt. in Kabul. And powell being Powell agreed.

Just curious ok?
 
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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Tue Oct 30, 2001 12:27 am

Indianguy, the Taliban will NOT be involved in any government if they're overthrown-they'll be exiled and outlawed. And what do you mean by "Powell being Powell, agreed."? Powell doesn't make the policy, Indianguy, he simply carries out the orders of his President, and his President certainly did not agree to keep the Taliban in the government.
 
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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Tue Oct 30, 2001 12:54 am

Actually, Alpha 1, see the news.

POwell has said in ISB, that the "moderate Taleban" (an oxymoron) shall be an integral part of any future govt in Afghanistan.
 
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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Tue Oct 30, 2001 1:02 am

He's certainly not talking about anyone currently calling the shots (no pun intended) in Kabul. Those folks are as good as dead.
 
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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Tue Oct 30, 2001 1:02 am

Who gives a shit!? Now they've converted to a different religion and hate Israel's guts. I don't think anyone cares.

Jews went all over the world over the years. I think there's still some Jews living among the Kurds. Surprise surprise.  Insane
 
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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Tue Oct 30, 2001 3:56 am

Actually, the State of Israel treats very seriously any conditions that might lead a group of people to be identified as "a lost tribe of Israel" as they did when they airlifted thousands of Ethiopian Jews out of their war torn country.

However, there is no proof at all that the Pashtun people are a lost tribe of Israel as they practice no Jewish... practices. The Ethipians had sabbath on saturday, spoke hebrew, committed bar mitzvah and many more. These people are as Muslim as a Mohammad.

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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Tue Oct 30, 2001 4:36 am

I understand that there was still resistance in Israel to accept the Ethiopians as a 'lost tribe'. It was reported that there shades of racism from both the Ashkenazi and Sephardic groups....as the Ethiopians were black. There was also reported to be some doubt as to their authenticity.

At least, that is what was reported here in North America. I recall the massive airlift effort by EL AL to repatriate the Ethiopians. Very impressive! Are the Ethiopians now well integrated??

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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Tue Oct 30, 2001 6:16 am

Again, it is Israel. "Israel" is not only the name of the ME country, but also refers to Jewish tribes that lived in the ME a couple thousand years ago. But I wouldn't expect you to know that, of course.

Ah .. it pertains to a very young country and very old tribes ... (and the trouble in the ME IS REAL)

Go back far enough and we are all related.


I understand that there was still resistance in Israel to accept the Ethiopians as a 'lost tribe'. It was reported that there shades of racism from both the Ashkenazi and Sephardic groups....as the Ethiopians were black. There was also reported to be some doubt as to their authenticity.

Well, that doesn't surprise me.



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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Tue Oct 30, 2001 6:30 am

Join'em???? you must be nuts JetService, I just posted this as info on some facts about Afghanistan, couldnt care less about the rest, and I did mention clearly theyre "considered" as one the lost tribes, not that its certain, though some Jews are convinced they are Smile
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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Tue Oct 30, 2001 10:21 am

airmale, sorry but where is the point?
It is amazing what can be accomplised when nobody takes the credit
 
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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Tue Oct 30, 2001 5:00 pm

Who considers them?

NONE!

They're yours dude!
 
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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Tue Oct 30, 2001 5:06 pm

just do about 30 seconds of research:

The Pashtuns trace the rise of their culture to a Muslim Turkic ruler named Mahmood, who founded a brilliant dynasty in the Pashtun city of Ghazni, half way between Kabul and Qandahar. The Turks also brought a vision that transformed the Pashtun mountain people from short distance sheep herders into Koochi migrants.

The vision took the name Beni Isra'il, "Children of Israel." The Beni Isra'il figure prominently in the Muslim Qur'an, which describes the Children of Israel as being preferred by God to all others because they received his message. Many Pashtuns believe they are one of the lost ten tribes of Israel. Even the Afghan Mongols, once they embraced Islam, came to see themselves also as a part of the Children of Israel.
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So because of some "Turkish vision" (whatever the hell that is) these animals think they are part of the Nation of Israel. Well nope!

As far as the Ethiopians they are pretty well absorbed into Israeli society. There is a little racism, sadly, as Israelis happen to be rather arrogant, but nothing worse than any other country. The state has clothed, fed, and educated them and they are now coming into their own. They serve in high ranks in the army, speak hebrew fluently, study with ashkenazim and spehardics, and use cell phone 22 hours a day like everyone else!

The only religious resistance is from extreme rabbis with little public following.
 
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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Tue Oct 30, 2001 5:09 pm

from BBC:

The origins of the 18 million or so Pashtuns living along the Durand Line are shrouded in mystery and controversy.

Some say the tribesmen - tall, light-skinned and often with fierce hawk-like profiles - are descended from one of the 10 lost tribes of Israel.

Others believe they are descended from stranded soldiers of Alexander the Great, who spread Hellenic influences to the banks of the Indus River 2,300 years ago.

Modern scholars dispute both theories and say the Pashtuns are a complex mix of South and Central Asian peoples, with Turkic and Persian influences.

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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Tue Oct 30, 2001 5:55 pm

Twaneedshelp, are you a true Israeliite?
You sound like a white-cracker to me.
Then again, so are the those in power in Israel.

 
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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Tue Oct 30, 2001 10:58 pm

I dont think theres anything to be proud of to belong to the lost tribes of Israel, and why should they care either Smile
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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Wed Oct 31, 2001 12:02 am

Well why did you post this topic then?  Big grin
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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Wed Oct 31, 2001 12:49 am

To increase your general knowledge Smile
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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Wed Oct 31, 2001 12:50 am

And they probably don't care, Airmale, that you belong to the lost souls in Pakistan, either. You've established your virulent Anti-Semitism on here enough for one lifetime. Get over yourself and your hatreds.
 
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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Wed Oct 31, 2001 12:55 am

Just a factoid on Afghanistan since its on everyones mind Smile
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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Wed Oct 31, 2001 6:29 am

I dont see Pakistan or its problems being discussed in the thread anywhere Confused
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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Wed Oct 31, 2001 12:07 pm

"white-cracker".......??

 
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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Wed Oct 31, 2001 7:19 pm

Sorry but Im not American so I dont know what you menat by that Smile
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RE: Pushtun Afghans One Of The Lost Tribes Or Israel

Wed Oct 31, 2001 7:38 pm

don't flatter yourself airmale:

from RealHigh:

Twaneedshelp, are you a true Israeliite?
You sound like a white-cracker to me.
Then again, so are the those in power in Israel.



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