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Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 4:51 am

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush will not see Yasser Arafat at
the United Nations this weekend, believing the Palestinian leader
does not take seriously the U.S. war on terrorism and the al-Qaida
terror network, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice said
Thursday.

``There are responsibilities that come with being the
representative of the Palestinian people and that means to make
certain that you do everything you can to lower the level of
violence, everything that you can to root out terrorists,'' Rice
said.

``These are responsibilities that we have asked Chairman Arafat
to take and to take seriously. We still don't think there has been
enough in that regard.''

Referring to two militant Islamic groups that the State
Department has branded as terrorist organizations, Rice
continued in a clipped tone: ``You cannot help us with al-Qaida and
hug Hezbollah - that's not acceptable - or Hamas. The president
continues to make that clear to Mr. Arafat and there are no plans
to meet with Mr. Arafat in New York.''

On Saturday, Bush addresses the U.N. General Assembly, a special
session that had originally been scheduled for the final week of
September but was rescheduled after the terrorist attacks on
New York and Washington. In that speech, the president will
reaffirm his commitment to fighting terrorism ``and the regimes
that harbor it,'' Rice said.

On Sunday, he attends, with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan,
an observance at the wreckage of the World Trade Center, two
months after the attacks.

Bush will use his two days in Manhattan to meet separately with
Annan and a handful of world leaders, including Pakistani leader
Gen. Pervez Musharraf. Musharraf is a key Muslim ally in the U.S.
military campaign against suspected terrorist mastermind Osama
bin Laden, his al-Qaida network, and his allies within Afghanistan's
ruling Taliban.

Rice said the United States is ``agnostic'' about the composition
of a post-Taliban government, provided it is broadly based and
represents the people of the South Asian country.

While Arafat has expressed support for the U.S. anti-terror
campaign, the Bush administration complains that he has not done
enough to curb Palestinian attacks on Israel. Bush leveled his
demand for action in a letter to Arafat last month and has not
once invited him to the White House.

Rice, in previewing Bush's diplomatic agenda at the United Nations,
was notably harsh on Arafat. But she also criticized Israel,
specifically for closing its borders to Palestinian workers from
the West Bank and Gaza.

Nabil Shaath, a close adviser to Arafat, said at the State
Department earlier Thursday that the Palestinian leader had not
decided whether to go to the special session of the U.N. General
Assembly at all.

But after meeting with Secretary of State Colin Powell, Shaath
said there is no alternative to a forceful U.S. presence if there is
to be peace between Israel and the Palestinians. He declined to
say whether the United States is preparing an initiative.

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has canceled his attendance to
remain in Israel and address security problems there. Foreign
Minister Shimon Peres will head Israel's delegation.
 
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 5:10 am

Bush needs to convence those elderly Jewish voters in Florida to vote for him in 2004.

Bush could careless about peace in the Middle East.

Bush is an idiot!
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 5:12 am

Bush is an idiot!

I second the motion!
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 5:39 am

I bet Gore would have cared alot more about peace in the middle east right?  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 5:45 am

KROC:
Actually, he wouldn't.
It would all be the samething. The only difference is that we would know that the President (Gore) would be making the deciscions and not advisors that we don't know.
Dems & Reps are the samething especially when it comes to International Affairs.
It's time to tear down this predatory capitalist regime and it's gurellas worldwide and the people will rise up!
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 5:52 am

While I agree with practically nothing Superfly has said on this point, I must point out that staunch conservatives have lately been making it quite clear they would be completely second guessing and criticizing the efforts of a President Gore had the shoe made it to the other foot. So touche'.

As to the original post, who cares. Nine tenths of us in America are still attempting to figure out why hundreds of people are dying in defense of a stretch of scrubby land that looks like the slummy parts of San Diego County.
 
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 5:56 am

Superfly. Gore himself would not be making the decisions all on his own. He would be making them the same way Bush is...with his team of advisors, cabinet, Chiefs Of Staff, ect. Don't try to feed me lins that Gore would be in charge of everything. The presidency is not just one man.....
 
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 6:01 am

Come join Superfly's efforts for the World's Uprising!

Down with the Imperialist running-dogs!!! Workers of the world UNITE!!!

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Arise ye prisoners of want
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And at last ends the age of cant.
Away with all your superstitions
Servile masses arise, arise
We'll change henceforth [forthwith] the old tradition [conditions]
And spurn the dust to win the prize.

So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
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The soldiers too will take strike action
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And if those cannibals keep trying
To sacrifice us to their pride
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We'll shoot the generals on our own side.

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No faith have we in prince or peer
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Chains of hatred, greed and fear
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And give to all a happier lot.
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 6:01 am

I think after seeing the people of Palestinian partying after the attacks on 9-11 I do not see why would should even care!
Iain
 
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 6:06 am

"Bush is an idiot!"

OK, so he is the US President with the lowest IQ in decades, so what? He's not the only idiot in the world...

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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 6:09 am

Finally we know the Bush administration is actually commited to fighting ALL terrorism around the world instead of choosing the route of appeasement.
 
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 6:09 am

BTW Lortab, you shouldn't post that garbage on these forums.
 
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 6:11 am

KROC is right, no president ever makes ALL the decisions by himself, thank god. That would make no sense at all.
 
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 6:12 am

OK, so he is the US President with the lowest IQ in decades

 Sad


 
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 7:19 am

Wrong signal! If he really cared about his coalition against terrorism and wants to convince the arab world then Arafat would be the first he has to meet. He´s got to invite Arafat to D.C. now that would be a signal that their trying to get to the core of problems. Talk to people who represent them.
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 7:26 am

Very good. By not meeting with that international terrorist he sets an example.
Arafat is responsible for more terrorist acts, killing more people, than bin Laden yet for some reason he's treated like a regular head of state (which he is not, of course).
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 7:40 am

Arafat has been to D.C. several times ,and it hasn't done any good. Why is it gonna start now? It's not. We should just let them all kill each other, and worry about our own people.
 
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 8:26 am

Lets face it people...Presidents are rarely as stupid as they same...Clinton came off as a good ole boy from arkansas when he was a rhodes scholar...and Jimmy Carter was put on the platform as "the peanut farmer from Georgia"...for gods sakes the man was a nuclear physicist!!!! As stupid as the media makes Bush look...or for what his unrehearsed saying do to his image...I seriously doubt the man is stupid...and for God's sake...do you really think that if Gore was in office he would be calling the shot and not behind the scenes advisors?? Yeah right...You are lying to yourself if you say that...
 
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 9:51 am

I think after seeing the people of Palestinian partying after the attacks on 9-11 I do not see why would should even care!

That was old footage of another event. The Palestinian people also morn the tragic events of 9/11. That was the propaganda machine up to its usual dirty work.

Of course Al Gore wouldn't have been a one-man show. Dubya man is a no man show. He is just a prop and that's it.
I stand behind my earlier comments. Bush is still an idiot and terrorism will still be a problem when he leaves office.

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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 9:55 am

Superfly: How is Bush an idiot? If he was a Democrat, you would sing his praises. Also, if Gore was president, he would be nothing more than a prop as well. As fpr terrorism, no man, or country will eliminate all terrorism, but at least Bush and his regime have taken a definate stand against all terrorism, and are starting the ball rolling in taking the needed steps to at least cut down terrorism, and make the U.S. less vulneralbe to terrorist attacks. You can post all you want based you this hatred you have for all non-Democrats, but are we really supposed to give your posts legitiment consideration?
 
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 10:00 am

"That was old footage of another event. The Palestinian people also morn the tragic events of 9/11. That was the propaganda machine up to its usual dirty work."

Your proof? I have proof that it isn't, and was taken the day of the attacks. I will do a search again. There was a chain letter on the net that said it was old, but that was started by some student in Brazil who had nothing to back it up and he has since retracted his statement after his university was contacted by Reuters (and others). I will find an article or something.
 
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 10:06 am

Oh come on KROC!

I do not hate non-Democrats. I am not turning this into a Dem. vs. Rep. fight OK. Both parties have a vested interest in the Middle East. I will support any efforts to stop terrorism Bush or Gore. This foolish act by Dubyaman is not a step in the right direction. This move is just a move to gain positive press and be seen as 100% pro-Israel. He saw how his papa took a beating for being a little more fair-minded with the Palestine/Israel fuss.
I don't want to get into that because I think that issue as been discuss to death. Even Johan is sick of seeing it, that's why the last one has been locked and archived.

BTW, not all Reps. are idiots OK. Peter King is a good man!  Smile
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 10:09 am

Bush is certainly not an idiot. He is handling this situation exellently.

Gore on the other hand would be like:

Come on Talibannnnnnn, quit being so mean to us, waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Then he would give money to a tree!


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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 10:09 am

Whistler:
Your right it wasn't old, but it wasn't in celebration for the attacks either.

I'll post the full story later. My friend who owns a coffee shop here in the city told all about that story.
Again, the Palestinians morn the events of 9/11 like the rest of the civilized world.
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 10:24 am

Bush is handling this situation? Geez I thought it was Rumsfeld, Tommy Thompson and Ashcroft.

I still give the President high marks for the weeks following 9/11, but question marks are starting to form. He needs to be more visible. And I get the impression he's relying on a slew of solidly two dimensional reactivists, particularly in the military. I fear the brass think Dubya has given them a golden pass to diddle all they want. I have to hope alone that these precious few weeks between the start of the campaign and the start of the brutal Afghan winter haven't been wasted, though I'm not so sure.

Einstien said imagination is more important than knowledge. Dubya needs more imagination in his top echelons, and that's one thing these guys sorely lack.

Me....I would have pushed out about two dozen 'Daisy Cutters' on day one. We knew where the pricks were.
 
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 10:27 am

If any of you seriously think the Democrats would have handled a military campaign better the Bush then you have some serious problems  Smile. Remember Clinton? Lob a few cruise missiles... hit some pill factories... problem solved! ...NOT
 
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 10:40 am

Hell, I wouldnt meet Arafat-ass either.

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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 10:51 am

Arafat and the Palestinians are far from seriously mourning the events of 9-11. Superfly, you want Bush to support Arafat, but where is Arafats support in the coalition against terrorism? Bush is basically telling this guy his free ride is over. How long has the presidential regimes of this country bent over backwards for him (the Israelies too, don't get me wrong), and absolutly nothing has been solved. Enough is enough.
 
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 12:55 pm

Enough IS ENOUGH!! I agree with that comment, but, it goes for Israel as well. The original post said Bush isn't meeting w/ Arafat, well hell, he shoudn't be meeting with Sharon either. And even though I am a Republican, Superfly is right, the primary cause is Bush is thinking ahead to 04 and addressing the Jewish vote in Florida. The story would not be different with a democrat in office either. They would not be looking ahead at getting the vote but keeping the vote in 04, therefore keeping the same policy with Israel as Bush has.

There is no other ethnic group in this country that has the pull that Jews have. It is crazy and an issue the media has time in and time out ducked. Why? Because they are fun by Jews. Every single one of us on this board has some routes to some country, but how many of us, when are past has been attacked or put through aversity has had the US stand up for our native lands. None, because none of us are rich, powerful and vocal like the Jewish are.

This Israel/Palestine issue is part of the reason our country is in this mess. It needs to be addressed, somehow, sadly, I feel it won't.
 
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 1:10 pm

For a person who has over 3600 posts on here and for that person to call the President of the United States an idiot is very interesting! Makes you wonder what the true meaning of the word idiot is.
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 1:46 pm

If I were president and didn't have to bow to public pressure (not only from Jewish voters, which probably make up only a small portion of the reason why he isn't meeting with Arafat), I still wouldn't meet with Arafat. He is a coward and a liar that has betrayed the Palestinian people by prolonging the conflict when he has had many golden opportunities to end it and have the Palestinians come out with a good, if not great deal. However, as Arafat is pretty much the most well-known figurehead of the Palestinians right now, I'm not sure that I would choose not to meet him. Meeting with a horrible person is better than meeting with no one.

In my opinion, Arafat is most responsible for the current situation in the middle east. If a sensible and more more moderate leader were in power on the Palestinian side, we probably would have had an agreement by now. But alas, Arafat has prevented that from happening.

I can feel dismay at yet also admire Bush for making this decision. Although in this time of crisis, I think meeting with Arafat should be necessitated, I can totally agree with what his motives most likely are for making this decision.

Aaron G.

 
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 1:49 pm

God...please excuse the horrid grammar and subject-structure in my last post. I typed it too quickly lol.

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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 2:22 pm

Trvlr:
That's OK, we understand what you meant to say.  Smile

I hate when threads turn into Democrat vs. Republican. Those evil terrorist could careless who the President is. Besides, it's Afganistan that is harboring Osama bin Laden, not Palestine.
Bush meeting with Arafat doesn't mean that he supports Arafat. Clinton had met with him and it wasn't like he supported the man.
I think Bush is being too arragant and that is no way to win a war.
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 9:29 pm

If there must be a meeting with the PLO for something, a lower ranking person can handle it (like a deputy secretary for foreign affairs or something). That's the usual level of contact with non-governmental foreign organisations isn't it?
The US president meeting a terrorist puts international acceptance and recognition on that group, which is the last thing anyone (and right now especially the USA) should do...
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RE: Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat

Fri Nov 09, 2001 9:41 pm

Superfly wouldn't know anything about the Jewish vote if a rabbi explained it to him 14 times. Bush has already gone on the record saying he suports a seperate Palestinian state. Here, he is saying he iwll not meet with a known terrorist in this time that is extremely sensitive.
 
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Superfly

Fri Nov 09, 2001 10:01 pm

Superfly:

"That was old footage of another event."

Stop lying. You know that's not true. Some people tried to cover for the outrageous behaviour of some Palestinians by saying that, but it was proven that it was a lie. There was much more footage, but the Palestinian security forces were ordered by Arafat to take those tapes away from reporters. The same person is now one of America's allies in the war on terrorism. Go figure.

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