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The Age-Old Xmas Tree Debate: Real Or Artificial?

Fri Nov 16, 2001 10:26 am

Well, kids, it's almost time to make that trip down to the basement (or the shed or garage or your personal "trimmings shack") and bring out all those lovely holiday decorations once again.

Some Christmas decor questions for you .....

>> How heavily decorated will YOUR house be this year? Are you the type that decorates every single last inch of your home, right down to the mailbox? Or do you keep it simple, with maybe just a "Charlie Brown type tree" with 1 candy cane hanging on it?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

>> And what about that proverbial question: Will it be a real live tree this year, or artificial? [--I'll be keeping score on this one; betcha "Real" wins hands down!!--]

Thanks A.Net Members ..... I've had fun chatting with you nice fellow aviation fanatics in 2001!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Smile/happy/getting dizzy Smile/happy/getting dizzy

And Happy Holidays to all !!  Smile Smile Smile







 
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Fri Nov 16, 2001 10:29 am

Our house is an old Victorian. We decorate with class. Very simple yet stunning.

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Fri Nov 16, 2001 10:30 am

Oh yea, My family and I go up to canada to get a christmas tree, so it's real.
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Fri Nov 16, 2001 10:36 am

We have a artificial Christmas tree. That is all we decorate.
 
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Fri Nov 16, 2001 10:39 am

Woe to those who use fake Christmas trees.

It ain't Christmas without having to vacuum needles out of the carpet and clean sap out of the ornaments!!!!!!!!!
 
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Fri Nov 16, 2001 10:43 am

The smell of a tree is the deciding factor for me!!!

I think we should have a decorating contest. Decorate your house, snap a picture and post it!!!
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Fri Nov 16, 2001 10:44 am

Decorate everything so well nobody notices the tree is artificialSmile/happy/getting dizzy We do a real tree about every 5 or 6 years and then plant it outside, but we usually do artificial.
 
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Fri Nov 16, 2001 10:46 am

We have a fake tree because the neadles make a mess on the floor.

We put our Cristmas tree in our foyer because of the height of the room and the space in front of the staircase.
 
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Fri Nov 16, 2001 10:47 am

It ain't Christmas without having to vacuum needles out of the carpet and clean sap out of the ornaments!!!!!!!!!

Oh, don't worry about that. Even us with fake christmas trees have to pull out the vacuum (of course, that whole sap thing doesn't apply). Big grin
 
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Fri Nov 16, 2001 10:56 am

We don't have to vacuum our floor at Christmas anymore... our 25 year old plastic tree has shed all of its needles!  Big grin

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Fri Nov 16, 2001 10:59 am

I much prefer real trees, but I don't have them at eaither of my residences. Here at school, real trees aren't allowed in res because of a fire hazard. And at home, a real 10' tree is expensive and a pain in the ass. So unfortunately I'm stuck with artificial.  Sad
 
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Fri Nov 16, 2001 11:39 am

Bah ! Humbug!
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Fri Nov 16, 2001 11:54 am

Real, it is always fun to go cut your own tree down. We went to this tree farm near Traverse City... You go up and you get hot cocoa and their is a horse sleigh and you get in the back... You go way out into this tree farm and pick the perfect tree they cut it and throw it in the back... Its very fun unless it is 30 below wind chill and snowing.. Well, its still fun. I remember this time my dad picked the biggest tree in the whole farm!

The tree had to have been 15ft high (We have always had high ceilings)... We got it home and my dad had to cut off a part of the top section, with that top piece he cut, any *NORMAL* family would have been happy using that as the tree.

Needless to say, that was the last time we got a tree that big.

It wasnt the same in San Diego and Maryland. So in San Diego we just had this small ceramic tree (the gifts were bigger than this damn tree  Laugh out loud) Then in Maryland we invested in a Fiber-Optic fakey.




 
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Fri Nov 16, 2001 4:04 pm

Artifical....allergies (need I say more?)
 
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Fri Nov 16, 2001 7:45 pm

We had to go with artificial when I was a kid. I was a natural choice considering the large number of trees where I grew up.



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Fri Nov 16, 2001 11:54 pm

I have not had a tree nor Christmas decorations hanging since 1990. Although I am considering hanging some Christmas tree lights on the gazebo that our hot tub resides in purely for effect, and not for the Holiday.

'Nuff said.

By the way, why do so many people take the "Christ" out of Christmas and spell it "X-Mas"?

Is it laziness for not wanting to write the whole thing out, or are there people that actually are offended by the "Christ"?

My guess is that it's a straight down the middle 50-50 split.


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Sat Nov 17, 2001 1:10 am


I know that the real ones smell better, but I'm more of an artificial guy myself. They are more safe - they won't burn. The holidays are no time to watch your house go up in flames.
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Sat Nov 17, 2001 2:08 am

Western727:

With all due respect, you are one of those that I bitch about in so many other areas:

You wnat to take the easy way out and shelve your common sense in exchange for "security".

Case in point: If you (you is a generic term for people in general and not you specifically) would actually practice a little common sense, you wouldn't have to worry about seeing your house go up in smoke. Me and most of my friends and family and millions of other people have done it, so we know it's possible.

1. Don't buy your tree the day after Thanksgiving. By the time Christmas rolls around, the thing will be the dead pile of needles you all use as an excuse to buy plastic.

2. When the lights are on, don't leave the damn thing unattended or illuminated all night long. In a worst case scenario, you might get a short in the wiring or overheated branch (I have yet to see either actually happen) and if a fire does break out, you should be able to contain it rather quickly. Again, the absolute worst case scenario here might see fire damage limited to a one room of the house as opposed to the whole thing going up. In every case of a tree fire I've ever heard of, it happened when the owners weren't home or were upstairs sleeping. Unplug the damn thing if you aren't going to be around to enjoy the lights.

3. In line with #2, keep a gallon or so of water within arms reach of the tree.

4. Also in line with #2, buy new lights each year. If you can afford a tree (and presumably gifts to stuff under it), then new lights shouldn't be a problem. If you buy them after Halloween, you can get something like 500 lights for $5-7. This avoids possible shorts (and shock hazard because you won't be untangling last years lights that have been in storage (and tangled up), leading to possible wire breakage/cracking.

5. Vacuum up the loose pine needles that inevitably end up on the floor at least once every other day.

6. Keep the tree in a pan of water and keep it filled. This will not stop the chopped tree from dying, but it will slow it down. This will mean fewer dead needles on the tree and floor to create a fire hazard.


You follow these 6 very simple common sense steps, and you can enjoy the fresh scent and aesthetics of a real tree year after year.
 
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Sat Nov 17, 2001 2:19 am

My parents got an artificial tree last year because of my 1.5 year old nephew running around but are switching back to a real tree this year.

I agree, don't buy the thing right away. Keep it watered. Don't run the lights all night. It will be fine.


Matt D- I think X is an accepted shorthand notation for "Christ"
 
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Sat Nov 17, 2001 10:56 am

Gosh! This is quite surprising thus far!

Score thru 11/16 @ 20:57 ET.....

Fake: 8 votes
Real: 6 votes

This counts my vote for: Real Trees!!

I thought sure real would be way ahead!

C'mon, purists! Let's pick up those "Real" votes!

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Sat Nov 17, 2001 11:08 am


I'm going to Buenos Aires, to spend Xmas woth my family, and I suppose our house will be simply decorated, only with a fake christmass tree (we can't find any "real" tree in the middle of the city) but it'll surely be full of candles.

Anyway, I think that god doesn't care wether we have a tree or not, but he cares if we remind him and conmemorate jesu's birth
 
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Sat Nov 17, 2001 9:53 pm

Can anyone tell me what celebrating Christmas is like in places like Australia and South America?

I mean Christmas evokes all of these images about building snowmen, and cold, gray, cloudy snowy days with the family gathered around a fire.


Only problem is that Australia and S. America are in the dead middle of summer when Christmas rolls around.

Does that take away from any of the celebrations, or is that purely a North American invention?
 
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Sat Nov 17, 2001 10:37 pm


Hi I always wondered about that too until last year. I can tell you what it was like in South America last year when I was there. I was at my friends house and they had a little branch in a vase. This little branch was decorated with very few x-mas tree balls.
So they kept it really simple. At another friends house they had a big fake tree. So it totally depends.
In a big shopping mall they had lots of decorations and best of all was in Buenos Aires in the front yard of the presidents recidency they had small palm trees decorated with a craddle and so on. That looked great.

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BTW: It has to be a real tree ! A fake is just not the real thing.
 
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Sun Nov 18, 2001 12:24 am

Hello,

Probably 2 fake trees, one in the hall and one in the main living room. I dunno about outside lights this year, it wouldn't any harm to tone everything down a little with all what has happened in the past months.

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Sun Nov 18, 2001 12:35 am

it wouldn't any harm to tone everything down a little with all what has happened in the past months.

Well that's fine and dandy. But see this is what I don't understand. Although I certainly don't mean or want to disrespect those that paid with their lives and their families that suffered, let's be honest and practical.

First of all, toning things down, or depriving yourself of that trip to see Grandma, or buying that new toy, or whatever is NOT going to undo the events of 9/11. It is not going to bring back the unfortunate 5000 dead. Second, how can we get on with our lives" as so many people are urging us to do, if we continue to cower under a rock like this? Everytime I see a "United We Stand" or "Stronger Than Ever" public service announcement or bumper sticker, I almost want to laugh....because like I said....we are patting ourselves on the back.....from under a rock...and giving Bin laden and crew another little victory everytime we hold back from buying/doing something "in the name of 9/11.

We may win the war with guns....assuming that our Finest are not there with guns that when fired, eject a flag that says BANG.


But the real war has already been won.....


And the US wasn't the victor.

So go ahead and splurge....do whatever you wanted to do. Other than my photo shoots at the airports, I haven't given anything up.


Or, perhaps maybe the old adage is true: "Misery loves company".

Well, count me out.
 
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Sun Nov 18, 2001 2:08 am

Hello,

Matt D, jeez, maybe I wasn't only talking about September the 11th. You know, things also happen outside of America. For instance 14 people killed in a shooting in Switzerland, 12 (IIRC) people killed in the Gothard tunnel, and so on. The list is long.

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RE: The Age-Old Xmas Tree Debate: Real Or Artificial?

Sun Nov 18, 2001 2:17 am

Well, I thought MattD's post was great! Thats exactly what i think. We can't live in fear like morons. We have to show those Bastards that whatever they do can't hurt us, Its life as usual!
 Big thumbs up MattD, thats the kind of thinking I wanted to hear from more Americans...
Oh and I'd rather have a REAL tree...
 
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Sun Nov 18, 2001 2:50 am


Well, i guess foods are different (salad and cold meat are common) and instead of gathering around a fire, we gather around an air conditionate system. The rest is pretty much the same
 
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Sun Nov 18, 2001 3:11 am

Matty,

Xmas in Australia is just like it is anywhere else around the world. We have spray on snow and all that shit. Many suburbs in Sydney compete for the streets with the best xmas lights etc etc.

As for the xmas day lunch and dinner, well I would have to say it's pretty diverse. BBQ's on the beach, traditional turkey / ham / roast pork, lots of seafood and salad. The one thing I have always found amusing though is all the poor santas in Australia sweating their asses off in those huge big red suits during our hot summers in the name of consumerism. lol

As for the xmas tree, well I definited prefer the plastic variety. One xmas a couple of years ago my mother and sister decorated the 'live' xmas tree (that we kept in a huge pot outside for 3 years running) in the house. I came over to the family home and commented on how nice the tree looks and how cool the shimmery effect was on the tinsel.

That shimmery effect of the tinsel turned out to be an infestation of baby praying-mantis's when we took a closer look. There must have been thousands of them. Suffice to say the tree dissappeared the following day to be replaced with a big white David Jones (department store here) one. No more live trees for us.

lol

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Sun Nov 18, 2001 5:38 am

No one should be killing live trees for a short Xmas celebration (and I'm as Christian as anyone).

Let the damn trees live! Buy an artificial one and re-use it.

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Sun Nov 18, 2001 4:08 pm

I went the fake tree route about 4 years ago. I have an 8ft tree that gets loaded with decorations, as well as almost three hundred lights and I have a pile of gift wrapped boxes that go beneath - there's nothing in them I'm afraid LOL. Outside I string up a colourful set of computerised christmas lights on the pergola and I have a pine & cherry apple wreath that goes on the coffee table with a large white candle in the centre.
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Sat Nov 24, 2001 11:32 am

"I never thought it was such a bad little tree.....
Maybe all it needs is a little love!"  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

 
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Sat Nov 24, 2001 11:43 am

Get a fake tree. Why kill a tree???
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Thu Nov 29, 2001 1:57 pm

Did you see the pretty Rockefeller Center tree-lighting??


 
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Fri Nov 30, 2001 4:48 pm

REAL all the way!!
 
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Fri Nov 30, 2001 8:54 pm

I always said after having a real tree every year when I was growing up that I would not revert to an artificial one... well I have had a plastic one now for three years! I love the smell of the real ones but I have become too practical, and use the 'recycled' tree which also doesn't drop needles in the carpet! A real one would wilt in the heat here and go brown within a week, the plastic one stays green for a month!  Big grin ..and there are no pine cones that crack open in the heat and startle unsuspecting visitors!

Matt D, Can anyone tell me what celebrating Christmas is like in places like Australia and South America?

I mean Christmas evokes all of these images about building snowmen, and cold, gray, cloudy snowy days with the family gathered around a fire.

Only problem is that Australia and S. America are in the dead middle of summer when Christmas rolls around.

Does that take away from any of the celebrations, or is that purely a North American invention?


I have never had a winter Christmas (yet). Lunch is usually cold meat, salad or a BBQ on Christmas day, inside, outside or at the beach. Carols by Candelight is usually held outside after 9 pm.

We still have the traditional Christmas concept from the northern hemisphere like singing traditional carols like White Christmas, Winter Wonderland or The Christmas Song, have wintery scenes on Christmas cards, Santa Claus and fake snow and holly etc. but it is mixed with images of sun and heat and outdoors activity.

Summer doesn't take away from the celebration of Christmas at all, many of us have never known any different. When I was a kid I used to wonder how kids in say Europe or North America played with their Xmas presents when it was too cold to go outside?!  Innocent

Anyway, hope that has helped answer your question  Smile
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Fri Nov 30, 2001 11:46 pm

REAL!!!!!!
This is 'Prickly' our 2001 Scotch Pine. Ain't she a beauty? (The kids named her). Merry Christmas, all!!!



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Sat Dec 15, 2001 4:18 pm

Anybody take their tree down yet?

No sense in waiting till the last minute!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

(I had a relative who used to go to bed at 11:55 PM every New Year's Eve! Kinda odd, don't you think?)  Smile
 
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RE: The Age-Old Xmas Tree Debate: Real Or Artificial?

Sun Dec 23, 2001 10:43 am

Current Standing .......

Fake = 14
Real = 10

Merry Christmas, no matter what tree you've got!

Now.....What about wreaths?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


 
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RE: The Age-Old Xmas Tree Debate: Real Or Artificial?

Sun Dec 23, 2001 12:09 pm

Real or nothing at all. My mom got the tree, and it's a small one but pretty.
 
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RE: The Age-Old Xmas Tree Debate: Real Or Artificial?

Mon Dec 24, 2001 7:27 am

My brother has chronic asthma, so when he lived with us we had to use a fake tree. However, he is now 26 and no longer lives with my mother, and therefore she has gone back to using a regular tree.

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