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Near Death Experinces

Sun Dec 02, 2001 6:27 am

There have been reported incidents where people have died, left their bodies, then mysteriously come back to life later on. Has anyone had such an experience?
I saw an episode about them on TLC once, seemed interesting.
 
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RE: Near Death Experinces

Sun Dec 02, 2001 6:36 am



Damn, has it happened to you? Your getting close.. Better stop smoking that stuff.
 
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RE: Near Death Experinces

Sun Dec 02, 2001 6:44 am

How High were you when you had your near death experience? Just curious, because your about to have a real death experience with all that crap you be smokin'.
 
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RE: Near Death Experinces

Sun Dec 02, 2001 9:22 am

Well, I think I might have had such an experience.

It was a few years ago while still in college (Binghamton University, NY), and I was all alone in the whole apartment building one summer night. For some reason, I was scared shitless and just couldn't sleep. I tried several times to sleep, but something would keep me up. Whenever I thought I was dosing off, I felt a strange sensation in my head and I would get back up, scared to go back to bed. Well, after a few hours I finally started to sleep.

Then, all of a sudden, I felt the strangest sensation in my head. I can only describe it as the sensation you feel in an aircraft as it's rapidly rotating. Sometimes you also feel it in elevators when your body weight gets lighter and lighter and you feel that sensation from your stomach going up. Well, I felt it from the bottom of my feet going all the way up to the crown of my head. Then, swoosh! I felt like something just came right out of the top of my head. It was a very strange, frightening and scary feeling.

For a minute, everything was quiet. I didn't know what had happened. I felt very peaceful, almost like floating on air. Suddenly, I noticed that something wasn't quite right. I noticed that I could see everything around me at once! It wasn't seeing actually, as the room was completely dark. It was more like perceiving things in the room. I could "peceive" my desk in the corner, and could tell that it was brown, and that my white computer was on top of it, even though the room was completely dark. I could "see" through the darkness with perfect clarity and knew where everything was, what everything was. It's the most difficult thing to explain, because I felt that I had no eyes to see anything. I just "knew" or "perceived" everything. Very strange.

I still had no idea what was happening. I wanted to get to another corner of the room, but had no idea how to get there. I had no legs, I had no hands. Bear in mind, I was still at this point clueless as to what was happening. Then, the strangest thing happened. I "willed" myself there, and suddenly, I was there! I had no explanation for it. It happened so quickly, I couldn't even tell how I did it. Then, I "perceived" the space above me and noticed I was touching the ceiling. Suddenly, I became frightened as I realized that there was no physical structure holding me up there, and so I felt I should immediately fall to the ground. Although I was not falling, I still became very afraid at being so high up off the ground, and before I think another thought, "swoosh", I felt myself sucked right back in through my head. I can only presume I was sucked back into my body.

I got up immediately, shocked, extremely frightened and shaken. I had no idea what had happened, nor could I explain it. For the rest of that night, I was so afraid I did not dare try going back to sleep.

For several days I treid to make sense of it, and said nothing to no one. Then, I noticed a few strange things starting to happen. For example, when the phone rang, my guess as to who it was calling ALWAYS turned out to be right. Well, I just kept saying to myself, "lucky guess". Then I began to wonder, is this really a guess? So, I started to accept it as fact, and I'm not joking, I always knew who was calling after that for some weeks, if not months.

A few days after, my housemate and his girlfriend came over. It was a lazy Sunday afternoon, and we were all in the living room just chatting. I was feeling lazy and tired, so I told them I'm going to take a nap, and left them alone. I then had the strangest dream. I saw myself lifting the roof off our apartment, like a doll's house and looking inside. Then I saw them making out and to my amazement, even having sex. I know this sounds very wierd, but I saw everything. Later that night I approached my housemate and told him what I saw, and to this day he accuses me of spying on them, for I described perfectly to the "t" what they were doing. He jokes about it all the time, but I keep telling him that I really saw it in a dream. Or sometimes I would dream of a place, or a situation, and a few weeks later I would find myself there in that same place and situation. Once I was making dinner in the kitchen, and suddenly I knew I was in that situation before. The tv was on, and I was even able to complete the sentence currently being said. I was in that situation before, I dreamt it in a dream. How on earth did I know what they were going to say on tv? I finished the sentence before the news reporter even got the chance.

Then, other strange things started happening. For example, I would meet someone, and suddenly I would have a thought about them in my mind. I would always dismiss this thought as just my being strange. A few days later my thoughts would then be confirmed as fact. Or I would meet someone and immediately know that we have something important to do. I even remember meeting this guy I had to work with, and the first thing that came to mind was that his wife was cheating on him. No idea why I thought that or where it came from. After about three weeks, we started to get to know each other well. He travels A LOT for his company, so we talked about aircraft all the time. Then, he mentioned to me how his family life is suffering because he always has to be jetting off to China or Indonesia or somewhere like that, and that all his wife does is take his money and ignore him. He then mentioned to me that he just found out she's been cheating on him with this guy from Paris. Incredible, I thought! And this is by far not the only example.

Well, shortly after my "out of body" experience, I met this Chinese guy who studied at the Shao Lin temple in China. He was visiting my housemate, but when I opened the door, it was like being knocked over by a wind. I knew immediately he was different, and that we would have something important to do. He looked me up and down, later he told me he was reading me like a book. I explained to him my experiences, and he explained to me these things about "out of body" experiences, energies, the whole works. I was really shocked and didn't know what to believe, until I started to have strange experiences with him. Like one day we went to the store, talking about a friend of ours, and I swear, he would read every thought I had before I even had the chance to say them. I would only open my mouth and he would already answer the sentence. I asked him, how did you know I was about to say that? He never answered, but for the rest of that night, he answered EVERY sentence before I uttered it. He taught me a lot about philosophy and control over one's emotions. He taught me that the true source of all negativity, and the real enemy within, is always fear. He taught me that it's our expectations (which are really just our fears projected) that ruin situations and relationships. Get rid of fear and expectation, and you'll finally be able to live a complete and "divine" life free of complications. So far I've done a lot along these lines, and I've gotta tell you, your life becomes so much simplier, so much more enlightened, everything becomes transparent to you, every need you have becomes automatically fulfilled - this makes you a powerful person. He demonstrated to me deep mind over matter techniques, things I could never do. I remember he once stopped breathing for a few minutes. Then, incredibly, I saw the hairs on his hands slowly rising up and down. I have no explanation for what that was.

Well, I could go on and on about my "out of body" experience. While I make no claim to being able to explain it, or knowing exactly what happened, it has left me with a hightened sense of awareness. I feel things I couldn't feel before, I know things I could have never known before. Although I'm no longer as sensitive as I used to be, every now and then I still get these feelings that I cannot explain. And they always turn out to be right.

I've heard many more incredible reports of out of body experiences. Mine is not so spectacular, but this is exactly as it happened.
 
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RE: Near Death Experinces

Sun Dec 02, 2001 9:51 am

Bombstar, on TLC, sure you weren't seeing it on THC???

 
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RE: Near Death Experinces

Sun Dec 02, 2001 10:04 am

LOL @ Staffan!!!
 
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RE: Near Death Experinces

Sun Dec 02, 2001 11:27 am

Just read what you wrote Hepkat, gees.....quite amazing! If you ever get an answer to whats happening plz plz give me a shout....
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RE: Near Death Experinces

Sun Dec 02, 2001 11:31 am

Hepkat, I believe you fully 100%. For a long time last year I studied out of body experiences, agel encounters, and miracle sotries in depth, and what you described is almost exactly like other people have expereinced, you are not alone, you, like all of us, have a soul.

This shoudl serve as proof to atheists that there is an afterlife and there IS a God.


You earn a place on my extended respected users list, friend!  Big thumbs up

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RE: Near Death Experinces

Sun Dec 02, 2001 12:11 pm

It could also serve as "proof" that out of body experiences are not a hoax.

Did you ever notice how many "near death" experiences mention going down a dark tunnel with a light at the end? Pure memory of being born.
The day you stop learning is the day you should die.
 
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RE: Near Death Experinces

Sun Dec 02, 2001 12:14 pm

Very interesting Hepkat! That is very cool! If that happens again please tell us.

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RE: Near Death Experinces

Sun Dec 02, 2001 12:14 pm

Bombedstar, you'll have more than a near-death experience if you don't straighten your life out soon.
 
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RE: Near Death Experinces

Sun Dec 02, 2001 1:03 pm

Actually, there were one or two times when it started to happen again. You guys have to realize that it's absolutely, the SCARIEST thing you can ever imagine. When you feel that feeling in your head, your whole body freezes up, and you start shaking. I would never want to experience that feeling again, it was very awful! It was not fun by any stretch of the imagination.

Anyway, I was staying at a friend's house on Long Island, and was sleeping on the couch when I felt that feeling in my head. I started getting very scared and I immediately got up and refused to go back to sleep. I can't understand those people that say they like this thing and actively try to reproduce it. I would never want it to happen again.

There was yet a third time when it started happening, but I would consciously try to prevent it. Since then, I would say over 5 to 6 years ago, it has not happened again, and I'm glad. In my experience, it's a terrible sensation.

As for the soul, I am now a firm believer that there is something after death. I've just seen and experienced too many things not to believe. There were times, after my "out of body" experience, where I'd be walking down the hall in my apartment, alone at home, and I'd feel that someone was behind me. I'd look behind me, but of course no one was there. Then, the all time wierdest thing that happened, was one night while watching a rental video. I was all alone at home, bedroom door closed, wrapped up in bed watching the video when suddenly, my stereo receiver turned on by itself and started to play a cassette. Now, this stereo has no remote control, so I was wondering how it could have started playing by itself, especially when the power was off. I decided to ignore it, then it stopped, by itself. Then a few minutes later, it started again.

I was SOOOOOO angry, and decided that I would not get up to turn it off. Whoever turned it on would have to turn it back off themselves, I said to myself. I waited and waited and it kept on playing. Finally I called my Mom and explained what was happening. Shen then talked me into turning it off myself, but I did so very reluctantly. Funny enough, I was not afraid, just pissed off that someone was fooling around with me. Since then, I've had a few more such experiences, all unexplainable, and all of which started to happen after my out of body experience.

I could tell you guys loads of stories. It's so strange that these things should happen to me, a person of science and logical thinking.
 
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RE: Near Death Experinces

Sun Dec 02, 2001 1:05 pm

Fascinating read, Hepkat!
 
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RE: Near Death Experinces

Sun Dec 02, 2001 2:28 pm

Woah.... Very interesting. I believe you when you say it was very freaky.
 
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RE: Near Death Experinces

Sun Dec 02, 2001 3:29 pm

Hepkat,

Remember when I told you last yer I was very involved with this kinda stuff, used to read about it and research it? Well I think I MIGHT know what you have.

It's called a detached soul, it's not a bad thing, but it's very rare. I don't know much about it though but I do remember reading about this sort of thing. I does mean you are gifted though. Your body is not entirely stable. this may sound scary, but your soul cannot decide which "plane" it is on.

It's been shown that when you sleep, you are on a higher metaphysical plane, that is, a higher sense of being. In fact, others who have this so-called "detatched soul" syndrome describe visiting places in their sleep which in later years they did in fact visit, and the specualtion is that they actually "flew" if you will, to these places. That is, even though they were asleep, they WERE there.

It's very confusing, but it's very real.  Smile

I have a question to ask of you:

While you are otuside of your body, do you notice anything that looks, in the most obscure ways, like a rope. A silver strand, a faint line, that connects "you" with your body? Nearly every account that I have read, concerning the "detached soul", the subject him/herself described seeing a sort of "silver line," or "rope" connecting them with their body, binding them with their body. This "rope" is supposed to be broken then the body dies, and it sets the soul free.

you can venture as far as you please, this rope has no limits, but as long as the rope is intact, your body is still alive, but for the time you are out of your body, the body is really nothing more than a vegetable, living, yes, but without soul.

Does any of this sound familiar to you?

Please write me back and let me know. And then I'll describe my own story. Big grin

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RE: Near Death Experinces

Sun Dec 02, 2001 3:34 pm

Maybe if you didn't smoke so much damned weed your brain cells wouldn't all be dead....
 
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RE: Near Death Experinces

Sun Dec 02, 2001 3:58 pm

Guys let's all quit bashing Bombstar he didn't do anything to cause a fight in this thread, so let's just lay off and try to have some peace ok?
 
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RE: Near Death Experinces

Sun Dec 02, 2001 4:06 pm

Maybe if you didn't smoke so much damned weed your brain cells wouldn't all be dead....

Hey Zach,

Too much Rush Limbaugh has the same result. Not only that you may become deaf too.  Big grin
 
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RE: Near Death Experinces

Sun Dec 02, 2001 4:09 pm

No fights.
 
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RE: Near Death Experinces

Sun Dec 02, 2001 4:15 pm

>Too much Rush Limbaugh has the same result

I unfortunately rarely listen to Rush because I'm always busy when he is on. But, no, it actually has the opposite effect.

>Not only that you may become deaf too

That is low. You shouldn't say that about a single human... just not right.

Maybe you took a bit more than 7.5mg of somethin...
 
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RE: Near Death Experinces

Sun Dec 02, 2001 4:18 pm

Stop.
 
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RE: Near Death Experinces

Sun Dec 02, 2001 4:29 pm

This shoudl serve as proof to atheists that there is an afterlife and there IS a God.

Honestly, I don't think it does. It bothers me when people refer to things like this as "proof that God exists" when things like this could SO easily be a hoax or halucinated. Not to be accusing, but I've heard people descibe similar events after using various drugs, and it was no more than halucination. Or, of course, it could some of these "visions" of far away places could be dreams. Then how is it that, when one actually does visit the places years later, they find that their "vision" was perfectly accurate? Well, dreams are only collections of your own imaginations... you're probably pasting in pictures that you've seen in books, magazines, or on the internet in your dreams; it happens often. I appreciate everyone's right to believe what they want, but I don't think that something like this should "convince" those of us that don't believe in God or an afterlife that such actually does exist. Just my two cents.

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RE: Near Death Experinces

Sun Dec 02, 2001 4:40 pm

I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything, as I've noticed this thread has become hostile already (as most religion threads are). Just a statement of opinion. Peace!

-Jeffrey S.
 
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RE: Near Death Experinces

Sun Dec 02, 2001 5:34 pm

Hepkat;
Truly a remarkable story I must say. Stuff like that always blows me away. I suspect we humans don't have a complete understanding of our existence. I have always maintained that after we "die" there MUST be some kind of awareness. I can't fully describe what I mean here, but, if you're perceptive you'll catch my drift.
I know not everyone will condone this topic, but hey... To each their own. Everyone is entitled to believe, or, disbelieve whatever they choose (religion; politics; education... love), PROVIDING they don't try to force it down anyone else's throat.

EGFF;
um... To what do I owe the honour? I appreciate the aknowledgment, however.
I have also experienced unexplainable things, but, I'll spare the skeptics any futher rambellings on my part.


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RE: Near Death Experinces

Sun Dec 02, 2001 5:53 pm

Well, in my life I think I've found undeniable proof that God exists.

I'll decline to share, but as for me, I already know. Right now I am more concerned with my current life than worrying about the afterlife because I already know...what's there.

Most of it is far too complex to describe. It's funny though, and I will say this. Does nyone remember my posts from about a month after I joined the forum, about how I wasn't so sure if god and afterlife really existed?

Well that's when "it" happened. I'll leave it off there, but let me say something. There are great things in store, things you wouldn't imagine. Let me also say that hell does not exist, it was created by man. There is no such thing as hell, and I know this. There are varying levels of heaven, but it's not what you would expect. The best way to describe it is pure energy, it's all thought, all knowledge, the entire existence of the universe. IT is aware of itself, it has a mind, it thinks, it grows.

You are all part of that, if you disbelieve it's because you were meant to. "God" is not a single being, guys, he's not, IT'S not. GOD, is, how do I describe this, god is the universe. A grain of salt is God, a star, a rock, a tree, together, they make god, god is the living breathing whole of it all. It's not one thing, it is the light which we are made of, part of. You are god, I am, all of us are god.

I told you it's too complex to explain, you probably couldnt understand, but how you are is how you were meant to be. I was, for the breifes tmoment, atheist, and then I was shown....things.


I'll leave it off there
 
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RE: Near Death Experinces

Sun Dec 02, 2001 6:06 pm

Aloha;
I know what you're trying to say.
"Lift a stone - God is there; Break a branch - God is there, too" -> (St. Thomas)
Is that kind of how it goes?
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RE: Near Death Experinces

Sun Dec 02, 2001 6:10 pm

Well I've heard that saying before, I think it's from the bible, but I've enver read the bible so I'm not sure.

But, that's all figurative speech

God IS the stone, god IS the branch
 
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RE: Near Death Experinces

Sun Dec 02, 2001 6:11 pm

God is made of those things, and they are made of god

it's very complex
 
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RE: Near Death Experinces

Mon Dec 03, 2001 2:26 am

Aloha 737-200, no, I never saw anything resembling a silver rope. I didn't even know what was happening, so it never occurred to me to look for any ropes.

I have to mention a word of caution here. I'd be wary of venturing too far out into things that cannot be proven. Yes, I do believe in out of body experiences and the existence of the soul. As for silver ropes, unicorns and pink elephants, I'm not too sure about that. This doesn't mean that they don't or cannot exist.

Now, I will agree that there is a lot going on that we don't know or cannot explain. I do agree that our definition of God needs to be re-examined. From my intuitions (after my out of body experience), God is not an old bearded man with long flowing white robes sitting on a throne and judging our deeds. This is clearly a medieval European depiction, when kings WERE really all powerful and claimed to be God's direct representative on earth. It's only natural then, for the common people to envision God through their monarch. In my experience, God is everything, and is everywhere. God is the most concentrated form of love there is. Basically, there are only two things in this world, God and the absence of God. God is love, therefore the absence of love is hatred, fear, ignorance, all of which lead to negativity. I don't think it's possible to separate God from creation. And when you read the great religious books (even though I myself am not religious), they all say the same thing. I believe Jesus tried to explain to the Jews 2000 years ago that, "when you see me, you see the Father. Whatever you do to the least among you, you do also to me." This is as clear an explanation as ever, that we are all connected, we are all a part of the deity.

As Bob Marley once said, "many people expect a great god to come down from the sky". Many people will be sorely disappointed when they learn that they are already God, and as such, have to start taking responsibility for their actions instead of relying on some deity to absolve them. This is what Jesus tried to show the Jews. It was a radical new way of thinking and seeing the world. Unfortunately, it was a bit too radical for the time. Jesus tried to show us that we are all born as God, we can all do the same miracles and move mountains, just as Jesus did. But we have to start by getting rid of our fears and expectations and start cultivating love. It's not the silly teenage love that I'm talking about. If you want to move a mountain, love it first, then it will move. If you try to move with your own ego, you'll wait a million years and get nowhere. Similarly, if you want to help someone, set them on the right path, prevent them from making mistakes, etc., love them intensely. This helps them to make the right decisions, for it's impossible to force someone to do your will, and even if you do force someone, their actions count as nothing as it wasn't done out of free will.

Let me stop here, I could go on for ages and ages. In a nutshell Aloha, your father is being a bitch and a half. Love him as you've never loved him before. That's the only way he can change. When you approach him with hatred, he will become afraid of you and try to put you down even further. Look at the animals, they are completely at peace, UNTIL they feel threatened. Then they attack, they try to do away with the threat that is causing them to be fearful. Same thing with your dad.
 
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RE: Near Death Experinces

Mon Dec 03, 2001 3:17 am

Hepkat, you explained it alot better than I ever could have. you have a way with words. I commend you! Big grin

But yes that was the message that I was trying to get across. I ahd several things happen which taght me alot of new ways of thinking, but I never really "separted" from my body as you did, but rather recived the messages in ways I wont mention, because if i did, no one would take me seriously. There are many skeptics.

the silver rope is not exaclty a mythological thing. Rather is it somethign that people who have had experiences like yours, and wrote about, have described seeing. I'm not sure if it's real or not, but based on what I read, this rope is supposed to be the one thing that connects a detached soul to the material earth, and your embodied life. When the body dies this rope is broken.

Again, that's only what I've read.

Aloha 737-200
 
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RE: Near Death Experinces

Mon Dec 03, 2001 3:39 am

Well, send me an email and we can discuss our experiences further.

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