Delta777-XXX
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Did You Know You Can Buy Property On The Moon?

Sun Dec 02, 2001 2:50 pm

This is the coolest thing I've seen all day. You can buy propery on the moon, mars and even Jupiter. It's legally yours, when you purchase it. It's pretty cheap too, check it out...

http://www.lunarembassy.com/lunar/index_e.shtml

If we ever start moving to mars... think how much $$ that would be worth.  Laugh out loud


Hank  Big thumbs up

 
bombstar
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RE: Did You Know You Can Buy Property On The Moon?

Sun Dec 02, 2001 2:51 pm

How can anyone own the moon?
 
ly772
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RE: Did You Know You Can Buy Property On The Moon?

Sun Dec 02, 2001 2:53 pm

I don't know, but we (a.net) should buy a part together.
 
JetService
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RE: Did You Know You Can Buy Property On The Moon?

Sun Dec 02, 2001 2:54 pm

Delta, yeah it's cheap, but wait until you get your utility bills!!  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!
"Shaddap you!"
 
bombstar
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RE: Did You Know You Can Buy Property On The Moon?

Sun Dec 02, 2001 3:06 pm

Okay, suppose I were to buy 1 acre of land on the moon. And in the future, say NASA lands on the porton of the moon which I (or someone else) owns. Would that person be entitled to any landing fees? Or would any government just fail to recogonize the legitimacy of the owner?
 
KCLE
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RE: Did You Know You Can Buy Property On The Moon?

Sun Dec 02, 2001 3:11 pm

If 10000 people here contribute $25.00, we can buy the entire planet of Pluto  Nuts
 
bombstar
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RE: Did You Know You Can Buy Property On The Moon?

Sun Dec 02, 2001 3:15 pm

Hey, i'll sell you one of jupiters moons, yes, the entire moon, for only $40.00 US.....e-mail me if we have a deal.
 
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RE: Did You Know You Can Buy Property On The Moon?

Sun Dec 02, 2001 4:21 pm

Sorry guys, so far I don't BUY it. What power do they have to enforce these properties? Sounds like a good way for someone to make money. Let's say I buy 100 acres... okay, and 27 years from now the Feds go up there in a big NASA ship and start occupying, where is the LEGAL support for this?

By the way, I got tired of keeping track of all those Aussie's, so I'm selling the land Down Under, but I can't disclose the actual price online for confidentiality purposes with the existing land owner(s).
 
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RE: Did You Know You Can Buy Property On The Moon?

Sun Dec 02, 2001 4:23 pm

I thought the UN had prohibited this. I think there's a charter that says that no one can own the moon or something like that.

- Neil Harrison
 
strickerje
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RE: Did You Know You Can Buy Property On The Moon?

Sun Dec 02, 2001 4:28 pm

$40.00, eh? Hmmm... Which moon?  Big grin
 
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RE: Did You Know You Can Buy Property On The Moon?

Sun Dec 02, 2001 4:32 pm

Well according to the website they've "declared ownership" with the US government. I wonder if I can write a letter to the US government too...

"Dear Mr. Bush,

I declare, herewith, full rights and priviliges to the continentia and oceania general which comprise the general mass of the planet Neptune; as well as all orbitally-related celestial bodies..."

It'd be nice, wouldn't it?
 
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RE: Did You Know You Can Buy Property On The Moon?

Sun Dec 02, 2001 5:47 pm

If you sell something you need to own it first - and how the h**** did that company get into possesion of the moon??? of course it did not, it is just taking money from naive suckers!!!
When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward...
 
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RE: Did You Know You Can Buy Property On The Moon?

Sun Dec 02, 2001 6:41 pm

Well like it says, they declared ownership.

"We, or rather I, Mr. (whatever his name is) do declare that the big ball in the sky is ours to do with as we please, and on that note are going to sell it off to every shmuck around."
 
Gdabski
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RE: Did You Know You Can Buy Property On The Moon?

Sun Dec 02, 2001 8:19 pm

From that site:

Contrary to popular belief, ownership by individuals of extraterrestrial properties is not forbidden. The 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty stipulates that no government can own extraterrestrial property, but it neglected to mention individuals or corporations. In 1984, the UN attempted to plug this loophole (which they where very aware of), by introducing the ill-fated Moon Treaty. That treaty forbids the exploitation of extraterrestrial resources (which includes ownership) for anyone, also individuals and corporations. The only problem is, that when it was up for vote, out of 185 UN Member Nations, only six supported it. The vast majority of Member States refused to sign it and did not sign it. It makes sense too. Imagine if we find oil on the Moon for example. Should we prohibit its exploitation for the entire human race by law? Surely not. So, to make a long story short, the loophole still exists today, and for a reason. (If you are in the mood for some heavy legal discussions...a very detailed discussion of this can be read on our Space Law page.)

Therefore, one can become the legal owner of an extraterrestrial body, if you are the first one that claimed it, and that is the Lunar Embassy.

It's a bit like in the old west: Who stakes their claim on a piece of land first, gets the best property. This is modeled on old american law. Such a claim must be registered with your local Governmental Office for claim registries. In regard to Lunar properties, it obviously helps, if this is also done in the USA, as the Americans were the first to walk on the Moon and plant their flag on it (ie it could be argued, that if the Moon ever belonged to anyone, it certainly belongs more to the USA than any other nation).

Well, in 1980, a very bright, young and handsome Mr. Dennis Hope, went to his local US Governmental Office for claim registries, the San Francisco County Seat, and made a claim for the entire lunar surface, as well as the surface of all the other eight planets of our solar system and their moons (except Earth and the sun). Obviously, he was at first taken for a crackpot, until, 3 supervisors, 2 Floors and 5 hours later, the main supervisor accepted, and registered his claim.

Now, even if you get the claim registered, you are definitely not out of the woods yet. You must inform others. For example, at the same time, the Lunar Embassy was obliged to inform the General Assembly of the United Nations, and the Russian Government in writing of the claim and the legal intent to sell extraterrestrial properties. Now we're still not out of the woods. The US government has several years to contest such a claim. They never did. Neither did the United Nations nor the Russian Government. This allowed Mr. Hope to take the next step and copyright his work with the US Copyright registry office. So, with his claim and Copyright Registration Certificate from the US Government in hand, Mr. Hope became what is probably the largest landowner on the planet today. This is the legal basis by which the Lunar Embassy is selling extraterrestrial properties. For all these reasons, the Lunar Embassy has been able to conduct their business without any reproach from the US Government (or any other) since 20 years, and they are aware that the sale of extraterrestrial Property is ongoing. The kindest reaction of the US Government was actually, that two former Presidents became Moon property owners.
 
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RE: Did You Know You Can Buy Property On The Moon?

Sun Dec 02, 2001 9:00 pm

DON'T EVER PAY A SINGLE CENT TO THESE CRIMINALS! WHAT THEY DO IS ILLEGAL AND YOU WILL END UP WITH NOTHING MORE THAN A PIECE OF WORTHLESS PAPER!

Quote 1979 UN Moon Treaty, Resolution 34/68, Article 11, Paragraph 1-5:

1. The moon and its natural resources are the common heritage of mankind, which finds its expression in the provisions of this Agreement and in particular in paragraph 5 of this article.

2. The moon is not subject to national appropriation by any claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means.

3. Neither the surface nor the subsurface of the moon, nor any part thereof or natural resources in place, shall become property of any State, international intergovernmental or non-governmental organization, national organization or non-governmental entity or of any natural person. The placement of personnel, space vehicles, equipment, facilities, stations and installations on or below the surface of the moon, including structures connected with its surface or subsurface, shall not create a right of ownership over the surface or the subsurface of the moon or any areas thereof. The foregoing provisions are without prejudice to the international regime referred to in paragraph 5 of this article.

4. States Parties have the right to exploration and use of the moon without discrimination of any kind, on a basis of equality and in accordance with international law and the terms of this Agreement.

5. States Parties to this Agreement hereby undertake to establish an international regime, including appropriate procedures, to govern the exploitation of the natural resources of the moon as such exploitation is about to become feasible. This provision shall be implemented in accordance with article 18 of this Agreement.

Man these people piss me off, who the hell do they think they are?  Pissed

Best regards,
GR.
 
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RE: Did You Know You Can Buy Property On The Moon?

Mon Dec 03, 2001 1:50 am

Where the hell would the money go that you pay?
 
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RE: Did You Know You Can Buy Property On The Moon?

Mon Dec 03, 2001 2:39 am

Into the pockets of those "smart" businessmen behind these companies. What else did you expect?

Best regards,
GR.
 
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RE: Did You Know You Can Buy Property On The Moon?

Mon Dec 03, 2001 2:47 am

I say

screw BUYING land on the moon


lets just get together and pull a Napolean and when we are able to fly there lets go up there and seize the land of these bozos who sold bogus shares.


What are they going to do? Get Johnny Cochran to take us to court?

A whole new era of cowboys and frontiers will begin!!!

East Moon Vs West Moon?



 
da man
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RE: Did You Know You Can Buy Property On The Moon?

Mon Dec 03, 2001 5:03 am

Cool! Smile/happy/getting dizzy
War Eagle!
 
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RE: Did You Know You Can Buy Property On The Moon?

Mon Dec 03, 2001 5:34 am

Aside from all the other problems...don't you need to occupy the land before staking claim to it? I believe so, if not, back in the old west (as they refered to), I could've just claimed all unclaimed land, and own a great porition of the western US. What a bunch of...you know what.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Did You Know You Can Buy Property On The Moon?

Mon Dec 03, 2001 12:27 pm

I bet weed is legal on the moon... What you guys think?
 
Aerokid
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RE: Did You Know You Can Buy Property On The Moon?

Mon Dec 03, 2001 12:51 pm

I think it would also be quite difficult to roll a joint with those thick gloves of your spacesuit...

And you wouldn't wanna light up one of those in a spacesuit supplied with pure oxygen. Big grin

Best regards,
GR.

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