rwy31r
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Forensic Medicine -your Opinion

Mon Dec 03, 2001 5:34 am

I have enjoyed my course in Forenisc medicine last year.. very very intresting..
I have another 2 years till I grad from med school.. and thinking of spz. in it among others like orthopeadic, cardiac, plastic surgery..

I wanted to know your opinion.

Thanx for your help!


"Saudia Three Five hold short Three One Right"
 
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RE: Forensic Medicine -your Opinion

Mon Dec 03, 2001 5:50 am

I am not too familiar with the med school process in the Middle East. So the only pro I know is that you get to play Shirlock Holmes everyday. In the US it would be easier to get a match, as competition for residency is pretty easy, however I am not sure if it works the same where you are from.
Iain
 
Turbolet
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RE: Forensic Medicine -your Opinion

Mon Dec 03, 2001 10:53 pm

My dad is a pathologist and forensic doctor (only one of the kind in Gozo). I don't know what he enjoys about his job, it's all about telling people what's wrong with them from slides and samples, i.e. how long they still have to live. He also gets called when a dead person is found somewhere, around twice a year. Honestly, I find his job depressing.
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cfalk
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RE: Forensic Medicine -your Opinion

Mon Dec 03, 2001 10:57 pm

One advantage about this field in terms of other types of medicine - you are unlikely to be sued or otherwise do hurt someone if you do something wrong.

What is the worst that can happen? The patient can wake up!

Charles
The only thing you should feel when shooting a terrorist: Recoil.
 
EmiratesLover
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RE: Forensic Medicine -your Opinion

Fri Dec 07, 2001 11:26 pm

I have just finished medical school, and I must say that Forensic Medicine was easily my WORST subject.I cannot understand what people find so rewarding about dealing with dead people.It is disturbing, horrifying and macabre.I find it absolutely horrifying that when doctors are supposed to be humane and compassionate about dealing with people, they are also taught at medical school to view the dead as being nothing more than objects, and become even less compassionate than the rest.If anything, doctors should be even more sensitive than the rest.

I must say thay I find it sickening that any decent person in his or her right mind could possibly enjoy dealing with such appalling gore.I have seen how utterly desensitized some of these forensic specialists can be, and it makes me ashamed to be in this profession.
 
rwy31r
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RE: Forensic Medicine -your Opinion

Sat Dec 08, 2001 1:23 am

My family and freinds think I am nuts for enjoying it.. Personallly, I still think its so intresting, Our prof. was simply the best and presented the subject so wonderfully!

Ian..

Here we have to go through 7 years of medicine then we spz. (unlike in the US we don't need to go for an MB before we enter med).. There are very very very few in this profession here, and that makes me even the more intrested in in. I just feel how can I go through all this clinical work with "live" pateints and then just work with the dead ones, know what I mean?

turbolet..

My sister is a Pathologist. I am not fond of pathology.. the problem if I ever do decide on forensics I will have to take pathology  Sad.. My regards to your father.

EmaritesLover..

I understand your point.. but I still think it's very intresting, and it is a needed profession, Unfortunatly crimes are out there and a froensic knowladge is needed. I would say, assosiating forensic Dr. with absolute desinsitization is not correct. There are so many regular Dr who are just as bad and unfortunatly extremely heartless with thier "live" patients. If you want a sample of that just visit our Urology, OB/Gyne depatments and chat with these Dr. Those people make me ashamed of being in this profession.

My regards to all who have responded! thank you!


Quoting my Prof.:

"Medical Dr. know everything but can do nothing, Surgeons know nothing but can do everything, Dermatologists know nothing and can do nothing and Forensic Dr know everything and can do everything... but unfortunatly knew too late"
"Saudia Three Five hold short Three One Right"
 
EmiratesLover
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RE: Forensic Medicine -your Opinion

Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:35 pm

Dermatologists know nothing and can do nothing.

I disagree - my father is a dermatologist, and I think he knows quite a lot - and he is in a position to help people too.

RWY31R - I too can understand understand your point of view. I myself can attest that some ( though not most ) doctors can treat their patients like objects.Most of the surgeons and OB-GYN specialists I know were very good, but I can understand that it all depends on your experience.

My distaste for forensic medicine probably stems from the fact that I had a Prof. who used to have a horrible way of talking about these kind of things.She used to to joke sometimes and talk about all kinds of horror without showing anymore emotion than someone who is pouring a glass of water.For this reason I tend to be very sensitive, and view doctors of this sort in a way that I cannot really explain.
 
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RE: Forensic Medicine -your Opinion

Tue Dec 11, 2001 3:40 am

Fix it: surgeon
Find out what's wrong: IM
REALLY find out what's wrong: Pathology
Investigate the problem to make sure it never happens again: research
Find out if it's actually broken or just doesn't feel like playing: Psychiatry
Patch it together and send it on to someone else: EM
Play with it until it feels better: Peds
Toss it out the window, buy a better one: HMO Administration
Iain
 
EmiratesLover
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RE: Forensic Medicine -your Opinion

Tue Dec 11, 2001 10:44 pm

To Iainhol - To this I can add another one - prevent it from happening again - Public Heath - that is the one I am working at right now.
 
rwy31r
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RE: Forensic Medicine -your Opinion

Wed Dec 12, 2001 12:54 am

Regards to you EmaritesLover.

The best doctors I have had the pleasure of working with (apart from the forensic one) were all in the Primery/Family/Community Medicine field.

and one more thing, That was just a qoute, abvoisly they can do so much and help patients, as they know a knowldage needed, besides they went through the entire specialities of Internal Medicine before reaching Dermatology (at least that's how it is reached here).

Wish me luck on my USMLE's!
"Saudia Three Five hold short Three One Right"
 
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RE: Forensic Medicine -your Opinion

Wed Dec 12, 2001 8:03 am

I would not like to look at rashes all day, I hope to get into Emergency Medicine, or Neurosurgery. However getting residency in those are both very tough, but I will try my best!
Iain
 
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RE: Forensic Medicine -your Opinion

Wed Dec 12, 2001 8:33 pm

When I was in High School in Singapore, I wanted to study medicine and become a forensic pathologist (whodunnit-doctor. I now have a record label, go figure, lol  Smile/happy/getting dizzy ). I'd become fascinated by some of the classic true crimes books, especially '40 Years of Murder' by Keith Simpson. Through a friend from school whose mom was a well-known local surgeon, I got to meet the local forensic pathologist, Mr Chao Zee Cheng (I hope I spelt it correctly) which was quite an experience!! I met him in his office at the mortuary. We had a very interesting chat and he gave me some useful tips on what direction to take in University and what courses I would need. One thing I remember very well from my meeting was a case he told me about involving the body of a construction worker who was brought in. His colleagues had told Dr Chao that he was killed when he fell from scaffolding. 'Then why are there tire tracks on his body??!', he asked and then they admitted that somebody had accidentally run him over with a bulldozer. Anyhow, best of luck in your studies!!!!!
 
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RE: Forensic Medicine -your Opinion

Wed Dec 12, 2001 8:48 pm

Emirateslover - I share your disgust.

One of my friends is a doctor and here in the UK if a patient dies and the family want them cremeted, the doctor who fills in the death certificate gets a £45 bonus - which is referred to in the trade as 'Ash Cash'.

Every time someone dies there is a mad rush to be the first to fill in the form, and I have even heard my overly de-sensitised friend say he had a 'good night' financially as a family of five had been killed in a car crash and he had filled in the forms!!! Sick or what.

When you consider all of this, in the context of the Doctor Harold SHipman who was jailed for killling potentially hundreds of patients you can see the potentially corrupting effect this 'Ash Cash' can have!
I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
 
EmiratesLover
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RE: Forensic Medicine -your Opinion

Wed Dec 12, 2001 10:52 pm

Ryanb741 - I can understand what you are trying to say.
What you are saying about doctors making money out of the dead is absolutely horrible.
I find your mention of the notorious Dr Harold Shipman very interesting.It is interesting because of the fact that
if doctors are taught throughout their training that human beings are little more than `slabs of meat' then they are probably ( in my view at least ) more likely to violate their rights as patients and human beings and treat them as slabs of meat.
I have an interesting experience - whan I started my training, I remember when we had to go to the dissection room.I knew I would have to go there , but I was still shocked.But what made my disgust even more sharp was the attitude which the medical students ( my colleagues ) adopted - it was as if the `specimens' were little more than objects, and were a source of amusement.Some of my ghoulish mates were giggling and making all kinds of dreadful jokes and gibes, and the situation was not helped by the matter-of-factly kind of attitude of the professors.
I do not dispute the necessity of allowing medical students to study anatomy from human remains to learn about medicine- what I would like is if they could talk to students before entering the dissection room about what they are about to see, encouraging them tho have a respectful and positive attitude towards the remains, and also create an environment where students who found what they saw disturbing could talk about what they felt and find a receptive environment for their feelings.I think that students should not be encouraged to desensitize themselves, or to `just get used to it', as I was told, but the best way to help is to encourage them to talk about what they find disturbing.....I find that very helpful.
All in all, medicine can be a caring profession... but it can be, and should not be allowed to become a ghoulish one.
 
rwy31r
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RE: Forensic Medicine -your Opinion

Thu Dec 13, 2001 9:55 am

Ian..

where have you reached in your medical learning career? Its funny, any post of yours that i have seen, made me think that you were in (or planing to be) in the flying/airline industry. Nuerosurgery is awsome, I have seen Crainectomies and you need great skill to do what those guys do. Spinal surgery is also very delicate.

"Saudia Three Five hold short Three One Right"
 
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RE: Forensic Medicine -your Opinion

Thu Dec 13, 2001 10:12 am

I was planning to become a pilot, however I have become meloncholy towards industry as a whole.
In the US you need your bachelors (or atleast 3/4 of it if your major is pre-med) before being accepted to med school. I was accepted to a accelerated business course where I can get my bachelors in 2 years (1 year left). After this I will have to do 2 years of science to prepare myself for medical school. So I have a long way to go, however I am really looking forward to it.
I am trying to keep an open mind about specialities and make up my mind during rotations in med school. However E.M. and Neurosurgery are the 2 that I think I will really enjoy (lots of job satisfaction), however they are quite competitive to get residency in; this will just make me work harder though!
Iain
 
rwy31r
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RE: Forensic Medicine -your Opinion

Sat Dec 15, 2001 12:01 am

Ian..

Like you- I wanted to be an airline pilot (commercial flying industry is most appealing to me), unfortunatly that was not to be and my fait became in medicine. I wish you success, who knows maybe one day we will scrub together!

Regards.

Ps, nice sitem, cool links!
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