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North Dakota...

Tue Dec 04, 2001 5:10 am

I heard North Dakota wanted to drop the North from the name and leave it Dakota... The state government claims the "North" represents cold, and hurts tourism. Let me break it to them... It wont make a difference.

My friend is based at Grand Forks AFB and refers to it as "Hell".

Its going to take a lot more than that.



 
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RE: North Dakota...

Tue Dec 04, 2001 5:17 am

Why don't they drop "New" from New Jersey, since it's been there for quite some time now...

 
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RE: North Dakota...

Tue Dec 04, 2001 6:17 am

My boyfriend is from there, although he live in DTW now.

His dad joked and said they should call it Baja Manitoba!
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RE: North Dakota...

Tue Dec 04, 2001 8:03 am

I am about 30 miles east of Grand Forks and I have to agree in labeling it HELL. All anyone does here is get wasted cause there is nothing else to do. Also, today is the first day in about a week and a half that it has gotten above freezing  Laugh out loud

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RE: North Dakota...

Tue Dec 04, 2001 12:35 pm

On the same lines, why not drop the "ia" from Virginia
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RE: North Dakota...

Tue Dec 04, 2001 12:42 pm

Why not drop the Vir also.
 
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RE: North Dakota...

Tue Dec 04, 2001 12:44 pm

Published Sunday, August 12, 2001


North Dakota wants its place in the sun
By DAVE BARRY
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North Dakota is talking about changing its name. I frankly didn't know you could do that. I thought states' names were decreed by the Bible or something. In fact, as a child I believed that when Columbus arrived in North America, the states' names were actually, physically, written on the continent, in gigantic letters, the way they are on maps. I still think this would be a good idea, because if an airplane's navigational system failed, the pilot could just look out the window and see exactly where the plane was. (``OK, there's a huge `W' down there, so we're over Wyoming. Or, Wisconsin.'')
But apparently states can change their names, and some North Dakotans want to change ``North Dakota.'' Specifically, they don't like the word ``North,'' which connotes a certain northness. In the words of North Dakota's former governor, Ed Schafer: ``People have such an instant thing about how North Dakota is cold and snowy and flat.''

We should heed the words of the former governor, and not just because the letters in ``Ed Schafer'' can be rearranged to spell ``Shed Farce.'' The truth is that when we think about North Dakota, which is not often, we picture it as having the same year-round climate as Uranus.

In contrast, SOUTH Dakota is universally believed to be a tropical paradise with palm trees swaying on surf-kissed beaches. Millions of tourists, lured by the word ``South,'' flock to South Dakota every winter, often wearing nothing but skimpy bathing suits. Within hours, most of them die and become covered with snow, not to be found until spring, when they cause a major headache for South Dakota's farmers by clogging up the cultivating machines. South Dakota put a giant fence around the whole state to keep these tourists out, and STILL they keep coming. That's how powerful a name can be.

I'll give you another example. I live in Florida, where we have BIG cockroaches.

Q. How big are they?

A. They are so big that, when they back up, they are required by federal law to emit warning beeps.

These cockroaches could harm Florida's image. But we Floridians solved that problem by giving them a new name, ``palmetto bugs,'' which makes them sound cute and harmless. So when a guest walks into a Florida kitchen and screams at the sight of an insect the size of Charles Barkley, we say: ``Don't worry! It's just a palmetto bug!'' And then we and our guest have a hearty laugh, because we know there's nothing to worry about, as long as we do not make any sudden moves toward the palmetto bug's sandwich.

So changing names is a sound idea, an idea based on the scientific principle that underlies the field of marketing, which is: People are stupid. Marketing experts know that if you call something by a different name, people will believe it's a different thing. That's how ``undertakers'' became ``funeral directors.'' That's how ``trailers'' became ``manufactured housing.'' That's how ``We're putting you on hold for the next decade'' became ``Your call is important to us.''

And that's why some North Dakotans want to give the state a new name, a name that will give the state a more positive, inviting and forward-looking image. That name is: ``Palmetto Bug.''

No, seriously, they want to drop the ``North'' and call the state, simply, ``Dakota.'' I think this change is brilliant, and could also work for other states with image problems. New Jersey, for example, should call itself, simply, ``New.''

Be advised that ``Dakota'' is not the first shrewd marketing concept thought up by North Dakotans. Are you familiar with Grand Forks, N.D.? No? It's located just west of East Grand Forks, Minn. According to a letter I received from a Grand Forks resident who asked to remain nameless (``I have to live here,'' he wrote), these cities decided they needed to improve their image, and the result was -- get ready -- ``The Grand Cities.''

The Grand Cities, needless to say, have a web site (grandcities.net), where you can read sentences about The Grand Cities written in MarketingSpeak, which is sort of like English, except that it doesn't actually mean anything. Here's an actual quote: ``It's the intersection of earth and sky. It's a glimpse of what lies ahead. It's hope, anticipation and curiosity reaching out to you in mysterious ways. Timeless. Endless. Always enriching your soul. Here, where the earth meets the sky, the Grand Cities of Grand Forks, North Dakota and East Grand Forks, Minnesota.''

Doesn't that just make you want to cancel that trip to Paris or Rome and head for The Grand Cities? As a resident of Florida (``Where the earth meets the water, and forms mud'') I am definitely planning to go to Dakota. I want to know what they're smoking up there.


 
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RE: North Dakota...

Tue Dec 04, 2001 12:57 pm

``People have such an instant thing about how North Dakota is cold and snowy and flat.''

Truthfully, N. Dakota doesnt see that much snow, as compared to Michigan and places like that. It is, however, a whole hell of a lot colder in N.Dakota than in Michigan... I bet its cold enough to freeze your dingleberries off in S. Dakota too!

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RE: North Dakota...

Wed Dec 05, 2001 12:53 am

A name change will not do anything to change this state. People are right when they thing of ND as flat and cold. That what it is for half of the year. The other half is flat and hot. A name chane will not change the state.
 
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RE: North Dakota...

Wed Dec 05, 2001 1:16 am

Wasn't it Dave Barry who suggested years ago that there were too many Dakotas, and that the U.S. should sell one of them to pay down the national debt?

 
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RE: North Dakota...

Wed Dec 05, 2001 1:18 am

Thats a good idea, but, sell it to who? Saddam? maybe we can keep better eye on him there...

 
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RE: North Dakota...

Wed Dec 05, 2001 2:45 am

I think its sad that all 6 people in North Dakota think that thier name are actually thinking that it is affecting the tourist industry... What is there to see in ND? "LOOK!!! ANOTHER FLAT FIELD COVERED IN SNOW!!!"

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RE: North Dakota...

Wed Dec 05, 2001 3:21 am

Boeing757fan wrote: "Thats a good idea, but, sell it to who?"

Maybe we here in Canada can buy North Dakota. Here in Manitoba, North Dakotans are kind of like the cousins who live just down the street: different household, but generally the same family.  Smile

Don't believe me? A number of years ago, one of the cable companies here wanted to dump the four North Dakota network signals it was carrying and replace them with satellite feeds from Detroit. They were deluged with letters and phone calls, and compromised by only switching the CBS and NBC feeds to Detroit (later to MSP), and keeping the North Dakota ABC and PBS feeds.

 
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RE: North Dakota...

Wed Dec 05, 2001 3:42 am

North Dakota... the very name evokes boredom, cold, and flatness... heck they could name the place "Sunshineland" and it wouldn't make a difference...
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Wed Dec 05, 2001 6:05 am

Not that it's real important, but South Carolina coined the name "palmetto bug" because the state nickname is the "palmetto state." It is said that the bugs down in the lowcountry are some of the biggest in the world.

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RE: North Dakota...

Wed Dec 05, 2001 5:47 pm

Spent two years in Grand Forks, in the Red River Valley. Flying over it.......NEVER ONCE DID I SEE A VALLY!!!
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RE: North Dakota...

Thu Dec 06, 2001 1:43 am

On the same lines, why not drop the "ia" from Virginia

Alternatively, replace the "ir" with an "a," and drop the second "i."
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RE: North Dakota...

Thu Dec 06, 2001 2:29 am

"Spent two years in Grand Forks, in the Red River Valley. Flying over it.......NEVER ONCE DID I SEE A VALLY!!!"

Good, I'm not the only one wondering about that...

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RE: North Dakota...

Thu Dec 06, 2001 3:27 am

The entire area is a valley. If you go about 30 miles west of the Red, your elevation increases about 100'.

You just gotta use your imagination to see the "valley".
 
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RE: North Dakota...

Thu Dec 06, 2001 4:37 am

I've only been through North Dakota on the train. I got off in Fargo and took the bus to see my family in Topeka. I have to say that the only thing more boring than North Dakota in July is Southern Wyoming in July. When the train pulled into a town I don't think I have ever been so happy to see something, ANYTHING! I don't even want to imagine the place in January. At least South Dakota has Mt. Rushmore and Wall Drug. Manatoba, you want it? It's yours for $49.95! Big grin
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RE: North Dakota...

Thu Dec 06, 2001 5:07 am

Okay, I guess I'm going to have to be the one to defend North Dakota. I've spent alot of time there over the years, as I have family in Bottineau. For the rest of the population that doesn't know, 'Bot-no' is smack dab in the center (East/West) of the state and as far North as you can get without being in Canada. Although I must agree that there is not much to physically 'see' there, its the Prairie itself that I find appealing. I live in Western Washington, so the geography changes between here and there are about the same as between the Arctic and the Sahara. However, those who've spent any time anywhere in the Plains know that they have a beauty and a majesty all their own. I've spent both Winter and Summer in N.D., and I can tell you that the weather is something to experience. 110 degrees in Summer, -50 in Winter. Yet as mentioned, they don't get alot of snow, and its a dry heat, which makes it much more bearable than, say, a 95 degree day in Florida.

Finally, the truly appealing thing about the state is its people. Yes, they may be a little, shall we say 'conservative,' but incredibly nice, open, and caring. With such small communities, every knows not only their neighbor, but their neighbor's neighbor's neighbor. Indeed, the sense of 'community' is unlike anything that I could even hope for in the Puget Sound.

Anyway, I'll end my little sermon here. I'm sure I've put everyone to sleep, anyway!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: North Dakota...

Thu Dec 06, 2001 5:27 am

Like Hamlet69, I will come to the defense of North Dakota.... The scenery there can be quite stunning, even if it is flat. In the summer, there are fields of sunflowers as far as you can see, and in the winter the snow on the ground and the trees, with the sunshine is very nice to look at. I'm going for Christmas and New Years.

By the way guys, there are some hills! Just to the north of Bottineau, the town mentioned by Hamlet69, are the Turtle Mountains. While not exactly mountains, they are certainly good sized hills; there is even a small downhill ski area up there!!

I have a rental house available about 12 miles outside of Bottineau for anyone who wants to visit, with weekly rates... just drop me an email and your North Dakota vacation dream can become reality.
 
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RE: North Dakota...

Thu Dec 06, 2001 5:52 am

I guess hell has its avantages than huh...  Big grin

 
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RE: North Dakota...

Thu Dec 06, 2001 9:47 am

Coyoteguy,

Where (which direction) is your rental? Is it by Lake Metigoshe? My aunt used to have a cabin right on the lake - it was awesome, sooooooo relaxing.

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RE: North Dakota...

Thu Dec 06, 2001 11:25 am

Hamlet69 - It is ten miles west of Bottineau, and then south two miles. Not by the lake, but in the middle of the fields on an old farmstead. It's very nice, on 8 acres of land (shared with my house and some other outbuildings). Used to be a grainery until we converted it. The lake area is nice too, I wouldn't mind having a place up there. What I love about the location of my place is the fact that there is no one else around for miles... such a change from Miami where I live most of the time...!
 
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RE: North Dakota...

Thu Dec 06, 2001 3:31 pm

Coyoteguy,

No kidding!! Then its out by Kramer, right?!? My grandparent's house is almost exactly where you just described, off highway 14. Well, it used to be. My uncle is going to tear it down before it falls down, as no one has lived there for a number of years.

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RE: North Dakota...

Thu Dec 06, 2001 9:53 pm

Hamlet69 - Yes, just North of Kramer. There are a lot of houses like your grandparents' where no one has lived for ages. It's a shame, so many of them are falling down. Does your uncle live in Bottineau?
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2001 10:17 pm

Sorry AC_A340. But the hanger floor where I work has more bumps and a steeper slope then the Grand Forks area.
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RE: North Dakota...

Fri Dec 07, 2001 2:14 am

Coyoteguy,

Yes, he does. Right on Main Street. He farms the area around my grandparents house and some land East of town that the family owns as well. He is also a postal carrier for some of the farms in the Kramer/Bottineau area.

How often are you in the area? I'm scheduled to go back next summer for a family reunion.

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RE: North Dakota...

Fri Dec 07, 2001 5:48 am

I'm usually up there a few times a year... Maybe your uncle delivers my mail there... the physical address is in the village of Souris, although it is 8 miles south of the village. I have a mailbox on the highway!
 
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RE: North Dakota...

Sun Dec 09, 2001 8:15 am

I've been to Jamestown a long time ago. All I remember is the giant Bison statue next to the interstate highway.
 
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RE: North Dakota...

Sun Dec 09, 2001 8:24 am



I think I killed several hundred butterflies on my drive through North Dakota last July. I-29 was a butterfly massacre with wings all over the highway. Was there some kind of migration going on?
 
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RE: North Dakota...

Sun Dec 09, 2001 8:42 am

I noticed that too when I first got here in August when I decided to take a walk into town from the UMC Campus, there was a dead butterfly along the highway every 8 inches or so. Kinda creepy.

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RE: North Dakota...

Sun Dec 09, 2001 9:29 am

I dunno what was up with the butterflies here this summer. Normally they aren't that bad. It's even worse on the front of trucks.
 
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RE: North Dakota...

Sun Dec 09, 2001 1:01 pm

Coyoteguy,

Yeah, I know what you mean about the weird addresses. But, I think that's nearly universal. I know its messed up here in Washington, too.

My grandparents are buried in that cemetary right outside Souris. Its so peaceful, and nearly an idealic setting, with a nice view of the Turtle Mountains to the East and the prairies to the West and South. I really can't wait to go back next summer.

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