donder10
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Beckham-overated?

Thu Dec 13, 2001 6:43 am

At the moment Beckham doesnt seem to be producing the goods for Man U.He has playedvery well a couple of times for England but I do feel he is overated.Giggs is a better all aroun player IMO.What do you think?
 
Thom@s
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RE: Beckham-overated?

Thu Dec 13, 2001 6:45 am

Gisggs is Uniteds best player by far, but he's a left footer, so he couldn't replace Becks in any way. David is an incredible talent nontheless, he's just not on fire at the moment.  Smile

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RE: Beckham-overated?

Thu Dec 13, 2001 6:47 am

Every f***ing Football (Socer, for the americans...) player is overated, and sure as hell overpaid. There are some good ones, but they don't diserve all that money and publicity. No, that's to critic, it's like that: Football would probably be better if the money didn't decide everything.

Martin
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RE: Beckham-overated?

Thu Dec 13, 2001 6:47 am

should be soCCer...  Big thumbs up

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donder10
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RE: Beckham-overated?

Thu Dec 13, 2001 6:51 am

Good point Thom@s,
but I feel Giggs is more important to the side as a whole compared to Beckham.
 
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RE: Beckham-overated?

Thu Dec 13, 2001 6:53 am

Couldn't agree more Donder10.  Smile

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RE: Beckham-overated?

Thu Dec 13, 2001 7:00 am

Do you guys think Michael Owen is over-rated?

I can't get Premier League on TV here anymore, but when I could, Michael Owen (when he was about 18) was the best player I had seen. What do you guys think?
 
donder10
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RE: Beckham-overated?

Thu Dec 13, 2001 7:03 am

I think Owen is the real deal personally.His shots:goals ratio is good and is improving.He has scored something like 22 goals in his last 20 games.
 
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RE: Beckham-overated?

Thu Dec 13, 2001 7:08 am

Michael Owen used to miss a hellova lot of chances, although he has improved. Over the past couple of games he has been stunning, but then again so has Freddie Ljungberg  Innocent

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RE: Beckham-overated?

Thu Dec 13, 2001 7:12 am

The defintion of missed chances is Andy Cole!
 
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RE: Beckham-overated?

Thu Dec 13, 2001 7:16 am

I totally agree Big grin

Andy Cole has been a POS ever since he joined MAN UTD, in his Newcastle/Bristol City days he was alot better.

Even playin for Arsenal he was better.... for the reserves... Big grin
 
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RE: Beckham-overated?

Thu Dec 13, 2001 7:19 am

No one comes close to Alex Del Piero. Cool guy. He can play really bad, but when he has a good day he can decide games.

Martin
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RE: Beckham-overated?

Thu Dec 13, 2001 7:31 am

After being sent of in the match with Argentina I lost total respect for him. Soccer is not a very good sport, I much rather American football!
Iain
 
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RE: Beckham-overated?

Thu Dec 13, 2001 7:41 am

Both sports can be VERY boring. Did you ever see Handball? There are many more goals, more action, and so. I like it. I play it for 7 years now. The bad thing about it is that you've almost always got some kind of pain somewhere after you played it...

Every sport can be boring, but can also be very interesting.
(except chess, but is that a real sport?  Big grin)
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RE: Beckham-overated?

Thu Dec 13, 2001 8:05 am

Personally I prefer rugby and baseball.
 
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RE: Beckham-overated?

Thu Dec 13, 2001 8:46 am

Andrew Cole is in the top 3 shots-to-goals ratio for strikers (think he was the highest ranked Utd player a couple of years ago). As for his all-round play, he is a hell of a lot better than in his Arsenal Reserves, Bristol City and Newcastle days!

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RE: Beckham-overated?

Thu Dec 13, 2001 2:51 pm

CHELSEA ARE THE BEST !!!

CHELSEA 3 - 0 MAN UNITED

Ha Ha Ha Ha

Beckham is just a big head, just like Robbie Williams, and Mrs. Beckham !!
 
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RE: Beckham-overated?

Thu Dec 13, 2001 5:35 pm

Let's not forget that Cole and Yorke scored over 50 goals total during 98/99. But as we all know, Yorke has lost it, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him disappear soon.  Sad

Nistelrooy, now there is a man worth his money.  Smile
And what about Ole Gunnar Solskjær who scored 2 and assisted 2 yesterday against Derby? He could have played for any 1st team in the world if he wanted to, he cost practically nothing when he arrived at United, and he scores as many goals as uniteds 1st team.  Big thumbs up

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RE: Beckham-overated?

Thu Dec 13, 2001 7:33 pm


Hkgspotter1

Why didn't you write down the result of Chelsea's next game? I'll do it for you:

Chelsea 0 Charlton 1

Oh dear, how embarrassing. Another club that does well against Utd but belly-flops against a weaker side.

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RE: Beckham-overated?

Thu Dec 13, 2001 7:48 pm

Good player but i agree he is over-rated compared to the likes of Figo, Zidane, Rui Costa, etc.....
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RE: Beckham-overated?

Thu Dec 13, 2001 9:37 pm

Everything I have heard about this guy seems to indicate he is a prick. he may give all of the UK a hardon, but in America he is viritually unknown, and we like it that way.
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RE: Beckham-overated?

Thu Dec 13, 2001 9:40 pm

I think something to bear in mind with Beckham is that he is still improving. Not too long ago he was very much one footed (hard to believe in a "world class" player, I know) but over the last year or two he has put in so much work to improve the other side. Frighteningly he is now delivering left footed crosses that are almost as good as the right footed ones - he's certainly the best crosser of a ball in world football.

Another thing to bear in mind is that he plays on the right wing where he can't exert as much influence as the likes of Figo and Zidane so he is more prone to drifting in and out of games.

I think the thing that sets him apart from the others is that he works so hard. Anybody who saw the England - Greece game would know what I mean. England were absolutely dreadful and going down to a deserved defeat, but Beckham pretty much played Greece on his own, he was absolutely magnificent and ultimately got the goal that secured qualification. As he matures he reminds me of Bryan Robson in his application more and more, the difference being that Beckham is a much better player, and Robson was good.

The other thing that strikes me is that he seems to be reserving his best displays for England rather than United. It's as if he cares much more about it, especially now he's captain. That kind of commitment (which Giggs has never shown to Wales) is making him ever more important, and I think it is these internationals by which he should be judged, not to mention how he's come back from that sending off in '98.

On the whole, I think he probably is still behind Zidane and Figo, but I've seen a lot of all three and Beckham is still young and improving. I wouldn't be surprised to see him become acknowledged as the world's best player in the next few years.

As for Owen, he's the most lethal finisher I've ever seen. The fact that he's only 21 is really quite scary. But he's one of the oldest of a crop of talented young players coming through, Gerrard, Ashley Cole, Joe Cole (who really could become the world's best in a few years), Michael Carrick, Jermain Defoe, David Dunn and so on.

In terms of technical play, the English appear to be (at last) catching the rest of Europe up.
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RE: Beckham-overated?

Thu Dec 13, 2001 9:45 pm

Joe Cole is going through the Owenesque young-man continous injury stage which is unfortuante.
 
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RE: Beckham-overated?

Thu Dec 13, 2001 10:26 pm

CHELSEA, CHELSEA, CHELSEA, CHELSEA, CHELSEA !!!!!
 
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RE: Beckham-overated?

Thu Dec 13, 2001 10:32 pm

Long-term striking partnership for England should be Owen and Dafoe.

Who are Chelsea - aren't they the UN of the Premier League?

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RE: Beckham-overated?

Fri Dec 14, 2001 1:11 am

Almost David. They're the UNHCR. Big grin
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RE: Beckham-overated?

Fri Dec 14, 2001 2:01 am

Andy Cole up until 99-00 (although he has gone downhill since this was published):

Manchester United: 139 games, 80 goals

Newcastle United: 58 games, 43 goals.

He has a worser still tally for Man U now.

Regards

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RE: Beckham-overated?

Fri Dec 14, 2001 2:14 am



Do you have the stats for assists? That is where the main difference will be!

David
 
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RE: Beckham-overated?

Fri Dec 14, 2001 7:47 am

Hmmm...Beckham  Smile I don't care if he's overated or not.

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