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NFL In Los Angeles

Mon Dec 17, 2001 11:48 am

Just around five years ago L.A. had two NFL football teams. (Rams & Raiders) The Rams moved to St. Louis and the Raiders moved back to Oakland. I can't figure out why the nations 2nd largest city does not have a football team. Next fall the 32nd team will be added in Houston (Texans). Has there been any talk in L.A. about adding a team or maybe two? Is the major set back not having a new stadium?
Thanks for your info.
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RE: NFL In Los Angeles

Mon Dec 17, 2001 11:53 am

IMHO, pro sports don't fare too well in SoCal and Florida in general. There's just too much to do and the weather is too damn nice to sit around and watch a game.
 
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RE: NFL In Los Angeles

Mon Dec 17, 2001 11:57 am

I think the main reason we do not have a team is the interest is simply not there. Indeed LA is the 2nd biggest city but along with size has come a diversity of cultures, backgrounds, incomes, etc... that make having solid sporting events a staple impossible. Add to that the fact that so many of us are employed in the entertainment industry and therefore will always put that at that front before a sporting event and it is very difficult.

Nobody really cares about the Dodgers and when the Lakers won it just wasn't the same as when the Bulls went all the way. I think the big business minds in the NFL realize this. Why bring a team to LA, no matter how good, when your marketing costs to get the fans is going to out do your income.
 
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RE: NFL In Los Angeles

Mon Dec 17, 2001 12:34 pm

I disagree. We have great fans in LA and interest in sports is huge. We would love to have a football franchise here. We got jerked around by the Rams and worst of all by Al Davis and the Raiders organization. That angered us big time. Most important of all we don't want to pay a half billion or more tax payer dollars to lure an NFL franchise here. We have seen what a mess that can lead to in other cities. As soon as we can get a franchise on our own terms and not pay through the nose football will be back.
 
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RE: NFL In Los Angeles

Mon Dec 17, 2001 1:05 pm

I think the reason Houston was awarded the franchise is because they had one solid proposal while there were too many competing ownership interests in LA. After the Houston Texans join the league next year, there will be an even 32 teams in eight 4-team divisions. I don't think the NFL will want to expand for a while. A team will have to move to LA. Any candidates?
 
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RE: NFL In Los Angeles

Mon Dec 17, 2001 1:11 pm

They can move the Browns to LA. These Browns haven't been in Cleveland that long, they're not the real Browns anyway and nobody will miss them. Look at what happens when the Browns fans get pissed - they start throwing everything all over the field. The half-assed fans in LA would never do that. Lol.  Big grin

Other candidates: Carolina, Arizona and Buffalo, right KROC?
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RE: NFL In Los Angeles

Mon Dec 17, 2001 1:13 pm

L.A., quite frankly, didn't support the Rams the way they should have, since they were there since 1946. The team didn't draw as well as a team in a huge market like L.A. should draw. I don't even count the Raiders. Al Davis is the Carl Ichan of his industry, and he has used both L.A. and Oakland to just make himself rich.

The biggest reason L.A. lost out to Houston to get the 32nd team is that Houston had a concerted, comprehensive plan ready for the NFL, which included a new stadium deal, while L.A. had rival bids, no concrete stadium plan, and not as much interest on the part of the citenzry.

L.A. will get a team someday, but how long will that team stay in Los Angeles?
 
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RE: NFL In Los Angeles

Mon Dec 17, 2001 1:16 pm

I could maybe see Carolina moving but not AZ. or Buf.
 
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RE: NFL In Los Angeles

Mon Dec 17, 2001 1:20 pm

I don't see Carolina moving. It will have to be a team with new stadium hopes:

Airzona
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RE: NFL In Los Angeles

Mon Dec 17, 2001 1:28 pm

Whoever said that there is too much cultural diversity and too much other things to do in the Los Angeles area to support an NFL team is correct!

Because Los Angeles has such local tremendous access to recreational facilities within 200 miles of downtown Los Angeles, no wonder may have less interest in pro sports teams. The only reason why the Los Angeles Lakers are drawing so well is the fact they're defending NBA Champions and still playing that way.  Smile
 
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RE: NFL In Los Angeles

Mon Dec 17, 2001 3:48 pm

Bidwell has finally gotten the taxpayers to pay for his multi-million dollar stadium with retractable dome and real grass field (the entire playing field retracts too). So AZ ain't going nowhere. Hell they have stuck around here since 1987 playing in un-NFL like Sun Devil Stadium.

What about KC?
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RE: NFL In Los Angeles

Mon Dec 17, 2001 3:59 pm

IMHO, pro sports don't fare too well in SoCal and Florida in general.

what are you smoking? Florida is the best sports state in the nation. Lets look at it... 3 NFL teams, the only other state to have that many NFL teams is New York (actually two of them are in NJ). 3 college football programs that consistently rank in the top 10 in the nation (maybe not FSU this year, but they will be back next year). Two college basketball programs that have made the NCAA tourney the last three years (I think Miami made it the past three years), I know UF has. 2 NBA teams, 2 MLB teams, 2 NHL teams. University of Miami won the College World Series last year, Florida and Florida State (consistently in College World Series) are top college baseball teams...should I go on?
 
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RE: NFL In Los Angeles

Mon Dec 17, 2001 7:05 pm

KC won't go anywhere. The town supports the team. Their single-game attendance in 2000-2001 was never below 77,481.

The last couple games this season:

San Diego 77357
Philly 77087

That Philly crowd was there to watch the 3-8 Chiefs. That says something.

The stadium is from the 70's but it and it's neighbor, Kauffman Stadium were way ahead of their time and continue to serve their purpose. As far as fan seating goes, it's right up there with the best. The only problems that might come up with it are luxury-suite related, but I haven't heard of anything.

I just looked up some info on the Cardinals new stadium. Wow, I guess they won't go anywhere for a while.
 
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RE: NFL In Los Angeles

Tue Dec 18, 2001 2:01 am

I think I speak for most of Los Angeles when talking about the NFL:

Yawn.

The only team LA would have supported is a new NFL franchise. We don't want losers from other cities (i.e. the Cardinals or Chargers) to come here and stink it up. They won't last very long. This town does not like losers, ESPECIALLY losers from other cities.

The NFL screwed up by demanding government subsidies for a new stadium. Houston was willing. Los Angeles was not. We have better things to spend our money on than giving taxpayer money to billionaire owners.

The Staples Center was privately financed (no taxpayer money spent to subsidize the Lakers, Clippers, and Kings). That would have worked here, but the NFL figured that would set a dangerous precedent in other cities, so they said any team must have a taxpayer supported stadium.

So, meanwhile, interest in the NFL in the nation's second largest city continues to wane (notice the television ratings lately? I bet you the NFL has.) And a generation of potential NFL fans is growing up not caring about the NFL.

That's OK. We have better things to do with our Sundays. The NFL needs LA more than LA needs the NFL.
 
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RE: NFL In Los Angeles

Tue Dec 18, 2001 5:19 am

LA was originally going to get the current Houston Texans, but they could not get their proposal together. Also, Houston has a much bigger football audience than LA does. Lets face it, Texans love football. The Cowboys have fans all over Texas even though they suck. The Texans will be the same way.
 
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RE: NFL In Los Angeles

Tue Dec 18, 2001 5:24 am

"what are you smoking? Florida is the best sports state in the nation. Lets look at it... 3 NFL teams the only other state to have that many NFL teams is New York (actually two of them are in NJ)."

California:
San Diego Chargers
San Francisco 49ers
Oakland Raiders

So you now see that CA has 3 NFL teams

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RE: NFL In Los Angeles

Tue Dec 18, 2001 6:10 am

The Cowboys have fans all over Texas even though they suck. The Texans will be the same way.

The Texans will suck too?
 
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RE: NFL In Los Angeles

Tue Dec 18, 2001 8:33 am

Most expansion teams usually suck for a few seasons, excluding maye the D'backs and the Jaguars. What I meant though is that even though the Texans will probably suck, they, like the Cowboys, will have fans all over the state. Everybody down in Southeast Texas will go for the Texans, and all the people in Northern Texas will go for the Cowboys.
 
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RE: NFL In Los Angeles

Tue Dec 18, 2001 9:44 am

sorry greg, i forgot about the chargers, I kept on thinking which state has three football teams and I counted Oakland and SF but forgot about SD, all I could come up with was NY and FL, my bad.
 
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RE: NFL In Los Angeles

Tue Dec 18, 2001 10:32 am

The states that have 2 NFL teams:

Missouri
Ohio
Pennsylvania
Maryland (if you count DC)
Texas (2002-2003 onward)

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