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Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Tue Jan 22, 2002 12:02 am

BBC - Monday, 21 January, 2002, 14:00 GMT
Vogts to be Scotland boss


Berti Vogts' Kuwait side were humbled by Oman
Berti Vogts has been confirmed as the man set to be Scotland manager.
The former Germany boss - who led his country to victory in Euro 96 - has long been favourite for the job vacated by Craig Brown.

And 55-year-old Vogts, currently manager of Kuwait, will take over when the Gulf Cup concludes at the end of this month.

The Scottish Football Association still have contractual matters to finalise, but is so confident that they have got their man that it has called a Monday afternoon news conference to announce that he is their choice.

SFA chief executive David Taylor said that negotiations are in the final stages to bring Vogts to Scotland at the conclusion of his current contract with Kuwait.



We will not finally conclude all matters until the Gulf Cup is over

David Taylor
"Berti Vogts is a world class coach, with an impressive track record of success in international football," he said.
"He has indicated strongly that he wants to lead Scotland through Euro 2004 and to the World Cup tournament in 2006 and I am sure that his expertise, experience and ideas will bring a new dimension to the development of the Scottish game.

"We have agreed virtually all aspects of his contract and I am confident that the deal will be concluded soon as negotiations to bring him to Scotland are at a very advanced stage with both Berti and the Kuwait FA.

"However, at present Kuwait are participating in the Gulf Cup tournament and, at the request of the Kuwait FA, we will not finally conclude all matters until the Gulf Cup is over.

"We enjoy an excellent relationship with the Kuwait FA and their officials have been very helpful since I first approached them.

"With this in mind, it is only right and proper that further dialogue between all parties must await the conclusion of the tournament."

Vogts will leave his present job at a time when he has come under fire in Kuwait.



Tommy Burns could be Vogts' assistant

Kuwait lost 3-1 to Oman in the Gulf Cup at the weekend.

Oman had never before beaten Kuwait in the competition.

It has been reported that Kuwait FA president Sheikh Fahad Al-Amrad Al-Sabbah was so enraged by the result that he held a 45-minute showdown meeting with the German.

The SFA had been hoping to have their new boss in place before Friday's draw for Euro 2004.

But they will have to wait until after the Gulf Cup before Vogts can formally take charge.

BBC Scotland understands that Celtic youth coach Tommy Burns is the SFA's preferred choice as Vogts' assistant.

No announcement on that post was made on Monday.

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Well, Scotty, GKirk, what do you think?
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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Tue Jan 22, 2002 12:59 am

Excellent choice, vogts knows football inside out, bit like wenger if u ask me
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Tue Jan 22, 2002 3:57 am

Should be interesting, I hope he blends youth with experience  Smile
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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Tue Jan 22, 2002 7:41 am


Hope he's (and the SFA) got the patience of Job - you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear!

Now to dodge the flames, having unilaterally declared how c**p Scottish football is!

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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Tue Jan 22, 2002 8:04 am

The jury is out. But if he can get some good results out of them and at least qualify for Euro 2004 then we really cant ask for any more, with the players we've got.

Hopefully he's better tactically than Brown whose tactics in the last three Euro qualifying games were completely weird.

Then again, we might just win the World Cup in 2006. (inhale again)

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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Tue Jan 22, 2002 6:52 pm

I know I've said this before, Scotty, but I really think you give Craig Brown an unjustified hard time. Us Sassenachs reckon he did a great job with what he had. Getting to the World Cup with that team was some achievement in itself.

However, speaking from a BRITISH perspective, it would be nice to see Scotland get a decent side together. It's all a bit boring at the moment because the England-Scotland rivalry doesn't mean much right now; England have a good team, Scotland have a crap team. It's so much better when both sides qualify for tournaments, then we can spend the months beforehand slagging each other off.

Ah, remember those days in the late '70's...Dalglish, Souness etc. Mind you, England were terrible then.

It all smacks of copying us though. Got a problem? Let's get a foreign coach! Mmmm, I think someone's done that already...
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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Tue Jan 22, 2002 9:51 pm

Maybe Vogts will try to win matches rather than just play one up front and tell his players never to create chances or shoot like Scotland did against Belgium.
If he picks Freedman then he will do ok!
 
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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Tue Jan 22, 2002 10:26 pm

Yeah. Theres no point going into games to defend. OK Banco, Craig is a talented coach but his tactical judgements have been horrendous in recent crunch games. 2-0 up against Belgium at home and he decides to defend the lead in his own half, against a team technically superior, even with 10 men.

Against Croatia, our only playmaker was Neil McCann (Craig played him out of position in that game) who was substituted early on because in Craigies opinion nothing was coming from him!!

Anyway, Craigs an OK guy and I hope he gets a good job like next Man United manager!!

What else can we do to copy England? Play the Scottish Cup Final in another country??

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btw Kirkie, interesting to see how Rangers fared against English opposition eh??

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Tue Jan 22, 2002 10:29 pm

Since Berwick must be the worst professional team in England I suggest that Rangers and Celtic be invited to join the Conference!

Interesting that Alex Ferguson was such a disaster as Scotland coach back in the '80's. I wonder why that was.
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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Tue Jan 22, 2002 11:28 pm

Thats probably where they'd have to start

Probably because of the circumstances - he was a stand in following the death of the great Jock Stein in Cardiff in November 1985. I would have loved to have seen Stein at the World Cup in 1986 and to have seen how HIS Scotland side would have handled Germany, Denmark and Uruguay.

Probably the biggest loss Scottish football ever had.

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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Tue Jan 22, 2002 11:44 pm

Yes, I would have to agree. That was a sad night.

As for Vogts, it is hard to see, now that the SFA have gone down this route, which Scottish manager could take over subsequently. There do not appear to be any candidates leaping out in the future.

Alex Leishman maybe?
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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Tue Jan 22, 2002 11:45 pm

Er .... who??

Is he a cousin of Terry Keegan??

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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Tue Jan 22, 2002 11:49 pm

I thought he was known as Kelvin Coogan! Big grin

Well, who do you think for the future, then?
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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Tue Jan 22, 2002 11:56 pm

You mean Jim Leishman (no)

or Alex McLeish (possibly)

However, I think its getting more and more difficult for big club managers to become international managers because they are seen to have "affections" for a particular club

Another candidate for the Scotland job was Bruce Rioch who'd be OK. I can see Tommy Burns, Joe Jordan, Gordon Strachan or maybe even someone like Frank Sauzee being a future Scotland boss. George Burley also. Not a bad range of options

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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Tue Jan 22, 2002 11:58 pm

err....yes, we were pitiful  Pissed
Future Scotland manager............ME!!! Big grin
Who the hell is Alex Leishman???????
I think you are mixed between Alex McCleish and Jim Leishman Big grin
Maybe if Rangers and Livingston were too merge...
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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Wed Jan 23, 2002 12:13 am

Err, Banco goes off to put his head in the oven due to a surfeit of embarassment. Embarrassment

Yes, I meant Jim Leishman. Sorry about that gents.

I like the idea of Gordon Strachan. He's become an expert on managing lost causes. Big grin
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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Wed Jan 23, 2002 12:16 am

There is an old expression which goes along the lines of.... you can't polish poo, even with the finest rag in the world. Moving on...
 
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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Wed Jan 23, 2002 12:18 am

Wow. I couldn't be that vicious if I tried! Big grin
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Wed Jan 23, 2002 12:22 am

Oh I'm sure you could. I wasn't really being vicious, just poking fun.
Which plenty of people do about my own football supportings... I support Aston Villa for f*c&s sake.
 
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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Wed Jan 23, 2002 12:29 am

Yes, you're probably right. I notice that our tartan friends haven't responded as yet...

You would expect some response to being likened to a piece of poo! Big grin
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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Wed Jan 23, 2002 12:33 am

You could spread it all over the place so that it gets into everything, sticks to you shoes and creates an awful smell. But we'd better not mention the Government here
 
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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Wed Jan 23, 2002 12:35 am

Scotty, I do believe you've summed up Scottish migration to England!! Big grin
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Wed Jan 23, 2002 12:44 am

Can anyone explain to me why English supporters(Chelsea,Millwall,Cardiff,Leeds,England) went to Pittodrie to cause mayhem???? They always try and do this in Scotland. We dont need there kind and it wont stop us getting Euro 2008!!  Pissed  Big grin
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Wed Jan 23, 2002 12:49 am

Because the Scots have always needed the English to organise them properly. Without the English, the Scots are totally rudderless! Big grin

Seriously, I don't know, but would presume that they feel there is less chance of arrest in Scotland. But presumably there is CCTV at every Scottish ground, as in England?
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Wed Jan 23, 2002 2:31 am


HAHA, at least you'll have a fun coach. Does he know English by the way ?????
Must be cool to hear him talk !
Hehe.

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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Wed Jan 23, 2002 2:39 am

Congratulations, he was the most successfull coach of the German national team of all times. I envy you, he was the last decent coach we had  Sad

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Wed Jan 23, 2002 8:05 am

Daniel

You've given me a lot of confidence. I hope one of his first acts as manager is to get Paul lambert of Celtic (ex Borussia Dortmund) to change his mind about not playing for Scotland again.


B737-700. Berti describes himself as being as interesting as "a caravan park in winter" so I'd say he's well suited to working with the fun loving Scottish Football Assocation

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Wed Jan 23, 2002 8:03 pm

Scotty, have you got any good young players coming through for him to work with? When Peter Taylor and then Ericsson came in for England the old guard were discarded and the kids given their chance. Is that feasible up there, to build for the future?
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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Wed Jan 23, 2002 8:05 pm

What about Duncan Disorderly of Everton? Seems stupid that he turned his back on Scotland.

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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Wed Jan 23, 2002 8:12 pm

We could give them Adi Akinbiye! Or even Andy Cole! Big grin
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Wed Jan 23, 2002 8:48 pm

There are quite a few good young players. Problem is that any of them who are with Rangers or Celtic cant get a game for dud foreigners being in the side. Best thing they could do is ship out to the Premiership, even to the lesser lights down there. And Barry Ferguson should do the same. Kenny Miller is at Wolves, having seen a promising career with Hibs come to a grinding halt when he went to Ibrox and became ninth replacement for the crocked Michael Mols.

Aberdeen have a whole crop of good youngsters, Dundee United as well while the boy McFadden at MOtherwell is a class act. Dundee have Gavin Rae,a strong midfielder who is destined for greater things and Livingston have a few good youngsters as well, including the not so young but pretty ugly David Binghham

Craigie stuck with the old guard too much and no, lets not have Ferguson back. He is a liability.

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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Wed Jan 23, 2002 8:51 pm

Well, Scotty, to be fair the really good Scotland teams were comprised almost entirely of players who plied their trade in England, so it isn't as if that would be a really radical departure.

I think Vogts is going to be good for the Scotland team. I hope so.
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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Wed Jan 23, 2002 9:25 pm

Correct

Ah...I remember Bremner, Law, Gilzean, Dalglish, Law, Cooke, the greats of the past.

But even now, most of them play for English sides - Sullivan, Burley, Dailly, Cameron etc...

Its not that they arent good players, but I really believe that Brown didnt give them confidence. Hopefully Berti will. I mean, if Ireland can qualify for the World Cup and they have a guy who REALLY believes in his squad, ie McCarthy, then why not?

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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Wed Jan 23, 2002 9:53 pm

Well, Ireland do have one world class player in Roy Keane which helps. But yes, I would think that Scotland have probably reached their lowest point and it will be an upward curve from here.

Let's raise a toast to the future, when we can have a COMPETITIVE England-Scotland match.
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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Wed Jan 23, 2002 11:29 pm

As long as we win it!!
 
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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Wed Jan 23, 2002 11:47 pm

NUUUUURSE! We've got a loony on the loose!  Big grin
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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Thu Jan 24, 2002 12:21 am

Trouble is Scotty you've got to be in it to win it, and you're not in it. So we've got to wait until after our World Cup appearance at least before we get to whip your sorry Scottish arses yet again.

Maybe if you qualify for Euro2004.... *snigger*

 
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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Thu Jan 24, 2002 1:10 am

You'll be home before the postcards.

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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Thu Jan 24, 2002 1:32 am

Misery loves company, Scotty.

It must be tough for you to accept, but the only one of the nations in these islands that will ever stand a chance of winning anything is England.
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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Thu Jan 24, 2002 1:37 am

I know exactly what you mean Scotty... When I send my postcards after the England game on the 30th of June from Yokohama, I'm sure I'll be home first...
 
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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Thu Jan 24, 2002 2:41 am

The only thing England will win is the fans winning "thugs of the year", Sven better lose against his own country...
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RE: Vogts To Be Scotland Boss

Thu Jan 24, 2002 6:21 am

Yokohama? Whats happening there then? Is that where Argentina and France will play out the World Cup Final??

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