IndianGuy
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Breaking News: American Centre In Kolkata Attacked

Tue Jan 22, 2002 12:57 pm

Some news just coming in: the American Cultural Centre (or is it the Consulate) in the eastern Indian city of Kolkata(formerly Calcutta) was attacked by masked gunmen in what appears to be a drive-by shooting.

Two of the masked gunmen were killed by Policemen. 3 others were also killed in the militant attack.
 
BarfBag
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RE: Breaking News: American Centre In Kolkata Attacked

Tue Jan 22, 2002 2:03 pm

Four killed, 17 injured in attack on USIS office

(PTI): At least four security personnel were killed and 17 others injured, including a number of bystanders, in a suspected terrorist attack on the United States Information Service at Jawaharlal Nehru Road in the heart of Kolkata on Tuesday morning.

Six policemen were among the critically wounded, Deputy Commissioner of police (HQ) Banibrata Bose said.

Four unidentified gunmen came in two motorbikes and fired indiscriminately on the police picket outside the USIS known as American Centre at around 6:35 am, Deputy Commissioner of Police (HQ) Banibarata Bose said.

The gunmen fled from the spot after the attack. The police have cordoned off the entire area, Bose said.

The injured have been admitted to SSKM hospital, Bose said adding that all of them are in critical condition.

However, an unconfirmed report said that all the four gunmen were also killed in the exchange of fire with security forces.

[http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/jan/22usis.htm]
 
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RE: Breaking News: American Centre In Kolkata Attacked

Tue Jan 22, 2002 2:22 pm

sucks
 
Hoffa
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RE: Breaking News: American Centre In Kolkata Attacked

Tue Jan 22, 2002 2:30 pm

Could just be Naxalites rather than the usual murderous jihadi Puki scumbags. We'll have to wait and see. OTOH, ISI penetration is pretty high in W. Bengal due to Commie pigs....
 
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RE: Breaking News: American Centre In Kolkata Attacked

Tue Jan 22, 2002 5:18 pm

VirginA340:Just for the record,according to local intelligence sources,they suspect that the attack was carried out by an INDIAN Islamic radical group.I have also heard that the Indian armed forces have stepped down their level of alertness so you wont see them marching up Islamabad any time soon.

Hoffa:Dont use the phrase "Paki".Its a racist term used in the UK against Pakistanis AND Indians.
I actually agree with hoffas viewpoint that a really 'small 'group such as the Naxalities (radiacal commie groups of armed peasants) is responsible.If they were big then the group would have surely gone for a 'bigger' target,like US emabassies in Mumbai or Delhi.

BarfBag:Anything you can tell me about Islamic groups in India?I have got some here for you: Hizbul Mujahedin,Jamiat ul-Mujahedin and Harket ul-Mujahedin.

 
IndianGuy
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RE: Breaking News: American Centre In Kolkata Attacked

Tue Jan 22, 2002 5:53 pm

G-KIRAN: NONE of the groups you have mentioned is Indian.

If an India-based terrorist organisation has done it, then it is most probably likely to be the SIMI (Students Islamic Movement of India, which has been banned for long).

Its unlikely that the Maoists or Naxals are involved in this raid.
 
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RE: Breaking News: American Centre In Kolkata Attacked

Tue Jan 22, 2002 9:58 pm

Speculation!?! When was the last time your aussie ass was in India pal? Why don't you tone it done with the farleft liberal ideology conspiracy theories!

Maybe I'll get lucky and you'll some how end up as a prisioner on Pakistani soil and we'll see how they treat you when you try to be "sympathetic" to their cause.

Then again it shouldn't surprise me since your anit US views are even worse compared to your comment that you said to me. Aren't you the same person telling Indian Guy that Pakistan isn't responisble for the attack on the Parliment. Get a life. Indian Guy and I know alot more about Indian afairs than some far left aussie on a trip spurting off anti american crap!
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RE: Breaking News: American Centre In Kolkata Attacked

Tue Jan 22, 2002 10:10 pm

Indianguy:I got those from The Worlds Most Dangerous Places,they were in the India section.Does the fanatic Mullah of the Jame Majid in Delhi have any connections?


VirginA340:I think you're the one who should tone it down!As for the Indian Parliament attack,so far no one has claimed responsibility and as far as I know the culprit(s) has/have not been confirmed.So I was just wondering how do you know for sure that the attack was ordered by the Pakistan government?
 
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RE: Breaking News: American Centre In Kolkata Attacked

Tue Jan 22, 2002 10:32 pm

G-KIRAN: These groups u mentioned are based in and operating from Pakistan or territories occupied by it.

As for a certain book mentioning it as Indian organisations, well, the BBC and CNN to this day keep saying that the IC814 hijacking was by *Kashmiri militants* when it clearly wasnt, even according to their own govt!

About the attack on the Indian parliament, there is MORE THAN ENOUGH evidence to prove Paksitan Army's active participation in the same.

Transcripts of Cell-phone conversations made by the Pakistani terrorists to their masters in Rawalpindi have just been revealed by India.

To get back to the topic on todays attack, the Home Minister of India has revealed that a Dubai based Mafia dons involvement has been established *beyond reasonable doubt*, though his name wasnt revealed.
 
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RE: Breaking News: American Centre In Kolkata Attacked

Wed Jan 23, 2002 1:42 am


Hoffa

Any truth in the rumour that you are the United States longest surviving brain transplant donor??
 
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RE: Breaking News: American Centre In Kolkata Attacked

Wed Jan 23, 2002 2:17 am

somebody tell me why theyre always picking on us americans?
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RE: Breaking News: American Centre In Kolkata Attacked

Wed Jan 23, 2002 3:00 am

G-KIRAN: There are no 'Indian' Islamic terrorist outfits per se. Sure there are Naxalites and Maoist ones, but they are not Muslim, obviously. There are probably some fringe outfits like those of the now-banned SIMI, but they are nowhere as potent as those that come from Pakistan.

The Hizb-ul-Mujahideen is more of an indigenous Kashmiri outfit, headed by Syed Salahuddin, who is currently in Pakistan (Lahore ?). They are based in the part of Kashmir occupied by Pakistan, and have been more inclined to attack the Indian armed forces in Kashmir, rather than civilians, as the Lashkar-e-Toiba and Jaish-e-Mohammed (both blacklisted Pakistani outfits manned by Pakistanis and foreigners - Chechen, Somali and other) do .

The Harkat-ul-Mujahideen is a Pakistani outfit which was earlier called Harkat-ul-Ansar (but changed the name after they were blacklisted by the US State Dept). They were also known as the Al Faran. They were responsible for the kidnapping of 5 foreign trekkers - 2 Brits, an American, a German and a Norwegian. The German apparently escaped, and in revenge they beheaded the Norwegian (Hans Christian Ostro). The remaining 3 were never found and are presumed dead. As far as I know, they did not negotiate, at least seriously.

As for the third, I have no idea. Regarding the Calcutta attack, I agree its probably too early to place responsibility, but it was rather amateurish anyway, even though 5 people died. Those rent-a-cops had only WW2 vintage .303 Enfield bolt-action rifles. If the US wants to protect their interests in India they need to help upgrade the guards' equipment.
 
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RE: Breaking News: American Centre In Kolkata Attacked

Wed Jan 23, 2002 5:43 am

somebody tell me why theyre always picking on us americans?

If you, unlike many of your narrowminded countrymen, were willing to wait for the enquiry to be completed you will find out what grievance (alleged or real) these people had.

Each "side" immediately blames the other, but I think it's better to wait and find out first, it might save a couple of wars!




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RE: Breaking News: American Centre In Kolkata Attacked

Wed Jan 23, 2002 5:51 am

Yeah ADG, because sometimes it's ok to go shooting places up. But only if you're killing Americans. My fuc***g God. Get a grip.
 
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RE: Breaking News: American Centre In Kolkata Attacked

Wed Jan 23, 2002 6:54 am

G-KIRAN; Are you really that damn nieve! Why don't you come to India and ask around like I have or better yet. The UK has a large hindu community! Ask them! And please don't tell me to trone down when i'm right!

ADG! Why don't you spew your crap in Berkly, CA. They'd love to hear your crap.
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RE: Breaking News: American Centre In Kolkata Attacked

Wed Jan 23, 2002 6:57 am

ADG; The US is proactive rather than un active. When we get attacked by a certain group/country. We will fight back and when we do someone's ass is grass! I wonder how liberal aussies like you will react if a Qantas 747 was hijacked and smashed into your parliment or a crowded place like the Opera House.
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RE: Breaking News: American Centre In Kolkata Attacked

Wed Jan 23, 2002 9:49 am

Oh look! Somehow Pakistan is blamed again! Why not blame Pakistan for everything, huh?

Get a grip guys, please!
I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
 
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RE: Breaking News: American Centre In Kolkata Attacked

Wed Jan 23, 2002 12:21 pm

Ryanb741. Because Pakistan is usually behind more than half of this shit that is going on
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RE: Breaking News: American Centre In Kolkata Attacked

Wed Jan 23, 2002 1:36 pm

VirginA340: Ryanb741 has a point. No matter how much of the shit Paksitan may have done, it completely defeats the purpose to speculate on the blame before the blood has dried (if you'll excuse the phrase), much less before investigations have been carried out to establish the identity of the culprit. Credibility is much easier to lose than to gain.
 
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RE: Breaking News: American Centre In Kolkata Attacked

Wed Jan 23, 2002 8:50 pm

IndianGuy:The groups were in the India section.So if their not Indian,then they must be operating in India.

VirginA340:Are you really that damn nieve! Why don't you come to India and ask around like I have or better yet. The UK has a large hindu community! Ask them.

What do you think I am?Dont you recongnise which language my name comes from?Besides who excatly did you ask Shahib?The guy next door? Wink/being sarcasticOh and when you're right,try not to sound like a yob.

VirginA340:We will fight back and when we do someone's ass is grass!Where on earth where you when IndianGuy and Barfbag where talking about the US helicopter incident?

Ryanb741:Good point.Remember when McVeigh took out that building in an attempt to kill Janet Reno?I am sure that at first everyone thought that it was some major terroist group and they were shocked to find out that it was none other then an all American boy from Buffalo,NY.

Barfbag:Their still using Enfields!?That design in fact dates back all the way to WWI.I would have thought that they would have been supplied with something like an AK47,their cheap after all.

I have also read about the suspected link to a Dubai based group,so how do you think India will respond?
 
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RE: Breaking News: American Centre In Kolkata Attacked

Wed Jan 23, 2002 11:19 pm

I hope the people who committed this vile act are arrested, tried, humiliated and punished by putting them behind bars for the rest of their lives.Nobody deserves this kind of fate, and I hope India cracks down hard on people who think they can get away with people who harm the innocent.
 
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RE: Breaking News: American Centre In Kolkata Attacked

Wed Jan 23, 2002 11:20 pm

IndianGuy:The groups were in the India section.So if their not Indian,then they must be operating in India.

Of course. They can't be fighting India while sitting in the Pakistani side can they ?  Smile They come into the Indian section, but none of them are based on this side.

Barfbag:Their still using Enfields!?That design in fact dates back all the way to WWI.I would have thought that they would have been supplied with something like an AK47,their cheap after all.

There are many issues with upgrading weaponry. Cops have shown a high tendency to lose their guns, or maintain them poorly. There's also a fear that if a widespread decision is made to equip cops with better guns, they'll invite crooks to steal them. This is something I read at another Indian defence site. Someone talked about taking all the captured AK47s from Kashmir and equipping the Indian police with them.

I have also read about the suspected link to a Dubai based group,so how do you think India will respond?

It has been established to some extent that sometime last year a Calcutta businessman was kidnapped, and the ransom paid for him was partly transferred to Pakistan, from where $100000 of it was forwarded to Mohammed Atta, the WTC 1 bomber. The latest attack on USIS Calcutta was apparently in retaliation for one of those kidnappers (who are from Dubai/Pakistan) being killed in Mumbai (the details escape me).
 
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RE: Breaking News: American Centre In Kolkata Attacked

Thu Jan 24, 2002 12:13 am

A word about Enfields. While the original design may be of WWII vintage, it has been upgraded many times over.

These are new build Enfields we are talking about. I plan to swap my Yamaha for one very soon!

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